Feeback Wanted: The introduction of a female partner for a voyeur experience for the client and abou

[AaronWestin]

I have a girl that I'm close with. She's not an escort and is very gay friendly. She is an exibitionist and offered to provide a service (Voyeur Only) for my clients. I'm fine with this as I am bisexual and am very comfortable with my sexuality. It would actually be exciting to have someone watch me with her. What is your guys take on it? I'm still sort of apprehesive about doing it. I have a male partner that I work with, but I've never worked with a female or heard of an escort using a female partner. I know alot of you guys LOVE the str8 guys and bi guys. Thanks for the feedback. Aaron Westin

[+ deej]

There's a market for just about anything.

 

There are at least 3 str8 couples advertising on Craig's list in the LA area who will fuck each other for voyeurs. The market seems to top out around $100.

 

Stick to the fags, honey. That's where the money is.

[KY_TOP]

I Think You've Got the WRONG Site

 

My Feedback. This site is Male 4 Male Not Male 4 Female. Why do you think a bunch of Gay men would be interested in seeing you screw a Female much less give you advice on it? x(

 

I'd suggest you take it somewere else. You asked for feedback, just my 2 cents worth.

[Guest DaxMills1978]

RE: I Think You've Got the WRONG Site

 

Aaron I have already had a couple clients that love the str8 guy thing. I would imagine that there are people out there that would love to watch a hot guy with a chick although I've personally never seen anyone advertise.

Just my two cents

[KY_TOP]

RE: I Think You've Got the WRONG Site

 

> I would imagine that there are people out there

>that would love to watch a hot guy with a chick although I've

>personally never seen anyone advertise.

> Just my two cents

 

I'm sure the Str8 Guys would.x(

[Uncle Bill]

Well, from one of those who happens to like boys and girls, I'd be totally open to hiring a "couple", but only if they were both "interactive". Just watching doesn't do it for me, if both the guy and gal are into involving the client in the mix as an equal partner, I'd be interested (also assuming that I like the personalities, appearances and chemistry between the two "escorts"). I enjoy 3-ways, and adding a girl to the mix sounds great to me (obviously only works if the guy escort is bi). Zack Young and I talked about it after I first hired him (he had a special friend that he did straight porn with), but then he fell off the face of the earth, so nothing happened.

[Blade9]

Aaron: I wish I hadn't seen your post. I intended to phone you again in an attempt to set something up for this weekend or next. We spoke before about a session but couldn't work out availability. Now, I'm afraid I couldn't really hire you. The entire time we were together I would be painfully aware that you would rather be with a woman. That's too bad, you are gorgeous...

 

I too always wanted to meet Trent Fosters. Unfortunately, I also read he is hetero.

 

Also, why do you refer to "boys and girls" in your original post? To your knowledge, are there a lot of women who frequent M4M Escort Reviews?

 

Continued success,

 

Blade

[AaronWestin]

I am not a hetero male. Gay for pay is one thing but I've bottomed and I've topped. Kissing isn't a problem for me either. I consider myself comfortably bisexual. I had a relationship with a man before. I've also been serious with women. I am with whoever I find attractive and have great chemistry with.

Off Topic: How do you place a link in your posts?

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>How do you place a link in your posts?

 

Go to the "Main" page in the Message Center, click on "User Menu" and choose "Edit my profile."

[Guest DevonSFescort]

RE: I Think You've Got the WRONG Site

 

>My Feedback. This site is Male 4 Male Not Male 4 Female. Why

>do you think a bunch of Gay men would be interested in seeing

>you screw a Female much less give you advice on it? x(

>

>I'd suggest you take it somewere else. You asked for feedback,

>just my 2 cents worth.

 

This seems like a rather vehement reaction, coming from someone I've always perceived as generally trying to be a fair-minded poster. There are guys on this board who get off to watching straight porn, and in fact there are (not a lot, but some) reviews of this kind of scene. And of course some clients are bi, and some hire straight guys, so it's not hard to extrapolate that some of them might like to watch a guy screw a woman. It doesn't seem outrageous merely to come on here and float a trial balloon. It would be a dull world if we all liked the same thing.

 

As someone who sometimes hires straight boys myself, I don't imagine I'd want this type of scene, but I can see how I might. The biggest single difference between the meetings with the straight boys I hired and with the gay ones was that the latter were much more passionate. As many of you know I love hiring Trevor when I come to New York, and I love the sense of continuity from visit to visit, but it's not a passionate scene even though it gets me hot. At no time have I ever felt like he was turned on by me, and though this doesn't bother me, I've actually thought off-hand that it might be hot to watch him fuck his girlfriend just to see how he is when he's passionate and turned on. So the nature of my interest would be very much Male 4 Male, not Male 4 Female since the girlfriend is almost a prop, in a manner of speaking. (A feminist might not look too kindly on such a fantasy, and she might have a point. But fantasies aren't always politically correct, and if the woman is getting paid to be fucked by a guy she LIKES, that's probably a better arrangement than she's used to.)

[KY_TOP]

RE: I Think You've Got the WRONG Site

 

>>>This seems like a rather vehement reaction, coming from

>someone I've always perceived as generally trying to be a

>fair-minded poster.

 

Trying to be "fair-minded" doesn't mean you always have to give a neutral response or positive one at that. Did Aaron only ask for Positive feedback? I thought my Feedback was honest not vehement.

 

I realize that there are many Bi and Married men here and they may give him some postitive feedback. But, my perception (which may be wrong) is that the vast majority of men here are Gay. My feedback, Aaron asked for feedback, related to that (note in my response I referenced Gay men, no one else). Why would a bunch of Gay men want to see or give advice on Fucking a women. You told why you would want to see that, Positive feedback for him. I could have given other feedback, very opposite of yours, about how repulsive the thought of him eating her out and having smelly Pussy juice on his face or cock is, but that response is crude. I guess I should now apologize for such a crude response.

 

But another take that may show my point a little. This post has been up 24 hours. So far he has a Grand Total of 6 FEEDBACK responses. Do you think it is because there are so many Gay men here?

A total of 3 positive Responses

1 postive response from a Str8 Escort.

1 postive response from a Bisexual

1 postive response from You

 

A total of 3 "other than" positive responses all from what I assume are Gay men. Of these:

1 advises to "stick to the Fags that is were the money is"

1 advises (mine) that he can get better feedback elsewhere

1 advises that he has now lost a potential client from the thought

 

>There are guys on this board who get off

>to watching straight porn, and in fact there are (not a lot,

>but some) reviews of this kind of scene. And of course some

>clients are bi, and some hire straight guys, so it's not hard

>to extrapolate that some of them might like to watch a guy

>screw a woman. It doesn't seem outrageous merely to come on

>here and float a trial balloon. It would be a dull world if

>we all liked the same thing.

 

Absolutely, there are guys on this board that get off on lots of things,so if it is not your "thing" should you remain silent? But in this case I just think he asked the wrong people.

 

>As someone who sometimes hires straight boys myself, I don't

>imagine I'd want this type of scene, but I can see how I

>might. The biggest single difference between the meetings

>with the straight boys I hired and with the gay ones was that

>the latter were much more passionate. As many of you know I

>love hiring Trevor when I come to New York, and I love the

>sense of continuity from visit to visit, but it's not a

>passionate scene even though it gets me hot. At no time have

>I ever felt like he was turned on by me, and though this

>doesn't bother me, I've actually thought off-hand that it

>might be hot to watch him fuck his girlfriend just to see how

>he is when he's passionate and turned on. So the nature of my

>interest would be very much Male 4 Male, not Male 4 Female

>since the girlfriend is almost a prop, in a manner of

>speaking. (A feminist might not look too kindly on such a

>fantasy, and she might have a point. But fantasies aren't

>always politically correct, and if the woman is getting paid

>to be fucked by a guy she LIKES, that's probably a better

>arrangement than she's used to.)

 

That's your Positive feedback. My Feedback was much shorter and I guess not as positive but I feel it was still honest.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

RE: I Think You've Got the WRONG Site

 

Well, I certainly didn't think you were being dishonest. And you're probably right that there's not a huge market for that scene. I guess your response just seemed harsh to me on first reading because you included a scowling face and told him to "take it somewhere else." I took that to mean you were saying he had no business posting here, but maybe you just meant he'd get more responses for that particular service on a different site. I agree that feedback doesn't have to be neutral or positive to be fair. Sorry to butt in...

[Guest gentle guy]

RE: I Think You've Got the WRONG Site

 

Devon, I don't think KY's response was vehement at all. It was perhaps uncharacteristically strong, but there is nothing wrong with that.

 

I also thought the question was odd for this site (and nothing against Aaron--although I have never met him, we have communicated quite a bit, and I find him interesting, complex, and basically a nice guy). It is, after all, male4malescorts.

 

There are at least two issues here, I think. One is the neverending debate about straight/bi/gay, who is what, does it matter, etc. I think that is an issue that elicits strong opinions. Another issue--perhaps more relevant to Dax's posts--is the resentment that many of us here feel about "straight" guys escorting. There are probably many reasons behind those negative feelings, but the feelings remain legitimate.

 

As I wrote in another thread, I am really turned off when a guy with whom I am being intimate starts talking about sex with women, or asks me if I like pussy. Some guys may be stimulated by that. I am certainly not one of them, and apparently neither is KY.

[KY_TOP]

RE: I Think You've Got the WRONG Site

 

>> Sorry to butt in...

 

Don't be, even though it is your Nipples I lust after and not your Butt.:9

[Guest DevonSFescort]

RE: I Think You've Got the WRONG Site

 

>Another issue--perhaps more relevant to Dax's

>posts--is the resentment that many of us here feel about

>"straight" guys escorting.

 

Actually, that was what I was getting at -- the idea that some men not only prefer not to hire straight guys (which is an easily understandable preference) but actually feel resentment about straight guys escorting. (I should clarify that I was reading this into KY_TOP's post; he didn't claim to feel any resentment and I now think I misinterpreted his comments to have a bit more of an edge on them than they did.) After all, large numbers of us are not into getting fisted, but (without meaning to speak for anyone) we generally don't resent escorts who offer it as part of their services. So it's not just a matter of preferences and turn-offs. Rather, I think there is an implicit assumption that straight guys who are gay4pay are "carpetbagging" in some way -- and that seems like too broad a brush with which to tar the whole group.

 

I believe I understand people's point that they don't like the thought of their escort fantasizing about women while he's playing with them, but what if he's fantasizing about a twink, or a leather daddy, or someone who looks/acts nothing like his client? Do people see that as different?

 

>As I wrote in another thread, I am really turned off when a

>guy with whom I am being intimate starts talking about sex

>with women, or asks me if I like pussy. Some guys may be

>stimulated by that. I am certainly not one of them, and

>apparently neither is KY.

 

LOL -- for the record neither am I, but of the straight guys I've hired, none of them have ever taken that approach. Isn't the issue less one of the orientation of the escort and more one of his ability to respond appropriately? (Again, to use the fisting example, it would turn me off if an escort started talking about how hot fisting or scat is in the middle of my session with him.)

[Guest DevonSFescort]

RE: I Think You've Got the WRONG Site

 

>>> Sorry to butt in...

>

>Don't be, even though it is your Nipples I lust after and not

>your Butt.:9

 

Next time instead of butting in I'll just ask the twins to "peak" in... (okay, that was a bad pun...I admit it...) :7

[VaHawk]

RE: I Think You've Got the WRONG Site

 

>>Another issue--perhaps more relevant to Dax's

>>posts--is the resentment that many of us here feel about

>>"straight" guys escorting.

>

>Actually, that was what I was getting at -- the idea that some

>men not only prefer not to hire straight guys (which is an

>easily understandable preference) but actually feel resentment

>about straight guys escorting.

 

IMO, I don't care if the escort is str8, bi or gay, as long as he is capable of performing in the capacity that I hire him for and I don't care what he is fanatasizing about in order to put himself in the mood to do so.

 

What I do care about, is the escort verbalizing his heterosexual desires while engaged with me and I personally would never hire an escort who is only into getting serviced rather than being of service to the client, and that goes for gay, sttr8 and an bi escorts.

 

When str8 guys advertise on a gay oriented site like this as "willing to be serviced" because "a good blow job is a good blow job", then I infer it as all a one way street where only the escort is having "fun" and not the client. While I'm sure there are many clients who are into this, I know that I'm not one of them, and I agree with KYT that the escort would be better off adverising elsewhere or at least being honest and advertising as such.

 

I do regret that the comments posted here made this escort feel unwelcome and unwilling to post more, because there are a lot of clients out there looking for escorts of his type and looking for the services that they provide.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Feeback Wanted: The introduction of a female partne...

 

I've never hired but if I did, I'd probably want to see something I wouldn't ordinarily be exposed to (life is a learning experience) so yeah, I'd hire you to fuck the bitch. }(

[CT Dick]

RE: Feeback Wanted: The introduction of a female partne...

 

Aaron, I think that is a very hot scene. I've had the experience of hiring an escort in Rio and having him bring his girlfriend to my hotel room and alternate between fucking her and fucking me. It was VERY HOT.

 

I don't see any negatives to your proposal and if you get a few new clients because you offer this unusual/unique service, that is a few more than you would have had.

 

Dick

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

I think it's a very valid "question" even if it is on an m4m message board. You weren't making assumptions, you were just asking a question.

 

I LOVE straight porn -- as long as the guy is hot. I hate straight porn when the girl is hot and the guy is a dog.

 

I like to watch two people have sex, whether it be gay or straight. I've even thought of offering to pay part of a client's fee if he'd let me watch (and the escort agreed).

 

However, if I were to pay to JUST WATCH aaron and his girlfriend have sex with no activity with me, then I'd expect to pay less than the normal rate. But since watching two people have sex really turns me on, I'd want him to send her on her way when he's done, then let me have at him!

[AaronWestin]

For everyone that has taken the time to provide me with feedback.....I thank you. I am really glad that I discovered this MC as it is a useful tool for me to ask my weird questions.

[+ glutes]

There might be a limited market out there, but to spend $300-$400 to watch you poke a 'fish' is beyond me.

[KY_TOP]

RE: Feeback Wanted: The introduction of a female partne...

 

> I am really glad that I discovered

>this MC as it is a useful tool for me to ask my weird

>questions.

 

Aaron, weird questions can be fun. But, the next time instead of asking us if we would pay to see you breed, maybe you can try something more of us can appreciate.

 

Something like,,,,,,, Would we pay to see you Fuck a Watermelon while sticking a cucumber up your ass.:+

 

Or some other weird thing,,, use your imagination.

[taylorky]

RE: Feeback Wanted: The introduction of a female partne...

 

>Something like,,,,,,, Would we pay to see you Fuck a

>Watermelon while sticking a cucumber up your ass.:+

 

 

 

 

whoa!! hell even i would pay 15/20 cents to see that.

 

:o

[VaHawk]

RE: Feeback Wanted: The introduction of a female partne...

 

>

>>Something like,,,,,,, Would we pay to see you Fuck a

>>Watermelon while sticking a cucumber up your ass.:+

 

THAT WAS FUNNY!

>

>whoa!! hell even i would pay 15/20 cents to see that.

>

>:o

 

Does that mean you would pay a $1.00 to see him fuck a cucumber while sticking a watermelon up his ass?

:7