When and How to Terminate an Appointment?

[OneFinger]

I just read the review of Ruben Escobar from Friday. I really don't want to take away from other discussions concerning the validity of the review. But it does bring up some interesting questions:

 

1. When and how should you terminate an appointment?

 

2. If you just don't care for the looks of an escort, is that sufficient enough to turn him away? How much, if anything, should the escort be paid?

 

3. Should you find it necessary to cancel an appointment prior to the escort showing up, what is considered adequate notice (1 hour, several hours, or a day)? Is any token compensation appropriate and how much?

 

4. For escorts, how do you handle it when the client is either drunk/high, too unclean to service, or just doesn't appear to be safe? (I'm assuming this situation can't be resolved by a shower and you really feel it's necessary to leave.)

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

The Classic Response

 

>1. When and how should you terminate an appointment?

 

It depends, as always, on the circumstances. From an escort perspective, I believe health concerns, serious family emergencies, unexpected work obligations, and the like are wholly legitimate. Again, from an escort perspective, the client should be both honest and as courteous and considerate as possible. It is not necessary to reveal personal information, only the outlines (a family emergency, for example, rather than my relative has ______ medical condition).

 

The best response anyone can give is to consider how YOU would like to be treated and what you feel YOU would deserve to be told. You need to keep in mind that you are dealing with another human being and act accordingly.

 

>2. If you just don't care for the looks of an escort, is that

>sufficient enough to turn him away? How much, if anything,

>should the escort be paid?

 

Again, this depends. If you do not have a computer and asked the escort to describe himself and he said he was "22, ripped, defined and muscular" and that description was far from the truth, then perhaps you might have a legitimate concern. If you did have a computer and his photographs matched his appearance, you do have some responsibility, both morally and ethically. This is akin to sitting down and ordering a meal and then deciding, well you changed your mind and want red meat instead of fish. If you ordered fish and fish is not what you were served, you do have the right to be disatisfied. But if you ordered red meat, got red meat, and it was properly prepared, just because you decided you are not as hungry as you thought, does not mean you get to refuse to pay anything for the meal. Someone had to buy that meat, prepare it, serve it, wash the dishes, etc.

 

A reasonable kill fee, IMHO, at the first fifteen minutes of the session, is one half of the fee, for a one hour session. As was discussed in the Ruben thread, something else is applicable if this was an overnight or something which required planning, and was cancelled on short notice for non-emergency reasons.

 

Is it sufficient to turn the escort away? Again, that depends. I would not ask anyone to do anything they do not wish to do. Honesty is the best policy. But you need to take into account all the factors, not just your own feelings. If you hired a young man to bottom, he had to spend a certain amount of time to prepare for you. In addition, if you hired someone to come out to you and there was a cab fare or travel time involved, he also should be compensated for his travel time and/or out of pocket expenses if you simply decided to change your mind.

 

 

 

>3. Should you find it necessary to cancel an appointment prior

>to the escort showing up, what is considered adequate notice

>(1 hour, several hours, or a day)? Is any token compensation

>appropriate and how much?

 

For emergency reasons as I describe above, same day notice as early is possible is reasonable. Again, circumstances need to be taken into account. For sessions involving travel, "token" compensation should be contemplated. While I believe sessions should be cancelled as soon as possible, the client consensus on this site appears to be that 24 hours is sufficient notice. I would prefer to receive more notice than that and often require clients to confirm appointments the day in advance or to risk not having the appointment held for them. In my case, as I do not book more than one appointment in one day, this may mean someone who might wish to meet me is not able to do so. This happened to three clients of mine in Columbus last week. They simply were not able to confirm and I had no intention of sitting around a hotel room or not making plans to hang out with Jeff or explore the city on my own because, frankly, someone was not willing to show some reasonable consideration.

 

 

>4. For escorts, how do you handle it when the client is either

>drunk/high, too unclean to service, or just doesn't appear to

>be safe? (I'm assuming this situation can't be resolved by a

>shower and you really feel it's necessary to leave.)

>

 

As escorts have shown on here countless of times, safety can be a major concern. I have never been in a situation where I felt my safety was at risk, but have helped out two of the Twinks in such situations and have heard "horror" stories from other escorts. Safety is always MORE important than money.

 

As I have discussed twice before, the only time I have sent clients home was when they showed up on my doorstep in a condition that gave me both serious pause and concern for their own personal safety, such that in one instance I took the car keys from my client and called him a cab and sent him home. The next morning, I telephoned and asked him if he wanted me to bring his car over or wanted to come and get it himself. Again, the safety of the client is also something which needs to be considered and if the client is in such an altered state that he cannot enjoy the experience, the session should be cancelled. In the two circumstances, I did not collect a fee nor did I feel one was owed to me. Both clients were repeats/regulars and while one felt the need to "make it up to me" I was more concerned about their welfare than I was about my fee. However, I do think something should be contemplated for the escort if the client was not able to physically experience the session but the escort was otherwise prepared for it.

 

The "unclean" issue has been beaten to death on here. I do not feel, overall, it alone is sufficient to cancel the session, but some consideration should be made. It is possible that a shower or mouthwash could ameliorate matters.

 

Finally, beyond the classic answer of "it depends" these are also situations where communication between the escort and the client is paramount. Some of these situations simply require a considerate and mutually respectfull conversation between the parties. Pormpt, courteous, considerate communication can only help make the experience a positive one for both the escort and the client. Generally, such communication can help resolve any such matters which arise on a case by case basis.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>I just read the review of Ruben Escobar from Friday. I really

>don't want to take away from other discussions concerning the

>validity of the review. But it does bring up some interesting

>questions:

>

>1. When and how should you terminate an appointment?

 

At the earliest moment you know that that's what you need to do. And as politely as possible. If it's the same day, you should call if at all possible rather than, or better yet in addition to, emailing him to be sure that he gets the message.

 

>2. If you just don't care for the looks of an escort, is that

>sufficient enough to turn him away? How much, if anything,

>should the escort be paid?

 

If there really hasn't been any misrepresntation, then half, as Franco suggested, seems reasonable. If there has then send him packing.

 

Clients sometimes tell me that I look shorter in my photographs than I do in real life (though my stats on my site and my reviews do state that I am 6'. So I can understand that it's possible to recognize someone and still be surprised. But unless you are just thoroughly turned off, I think you might as well give the session a try -- given the choice between paying for half a session and not getting off and paying the whole fee and getting off. As Woody Allen said in Manhattan (I'm approximating), "I've never had the wrong kind of orgasm. The worst orgasm I ever had was right in there."

 

>3. Should you find it necessary to cancel an appointment prior

>to the escort showing up, what is considered adequate notice

>(1 hour, several hours, or a day)? Is any token compensation

>appropriate and how much?

 

I've never asked for compensation for cancellations -- I usually just suck it up and deal -- but just tell the escort as soon as you know. I mean, don't call him at 4am to tell him, but you hopefully get my drift.

 

>4. For escorts, how do you handle it when the client is either

>drunk/high, too unclean to service, or just doesn't appear to

>be safe? (I'm assuming this situation can't be resolved by a

>shower and you really feel it's necessary to leave.)

 

Honestly? With the exception of the safety issue, which I don't remember having to deal with, this is the rare kind of situation where I just try to think about something more pleasant and get the client off as quickly as possible. That's the kind of session someone's inviting if he shows up with booze reeking from every pore or his crotch is rancid. I'd strongly recommend against that kind of behavior. There is no way it can make the session go better. This situation is, I'm thankful to be able to say, a very infrequent occurance for me. My clients tend to be very considerate guys.

[woodlawn]

>1. When and how should you terminate an appointment?

>

>2. If you just don't care for the looks of an escort, is that

>sufficient enough to turn him away? How much, if anything,

>should the escort be paid?

 

 

One thing I do not see mentioned in any of the responses to your question so far is that in the situation you describe it is not merely the escort's time and effort that have been wasted but also the client's. But no one suggests that the client should receive any compensation for his time.

 

My view is that in a situation in which the two parties have never actually met there is no way to be sure the escort matches the client's expectations. Many escorts can now provide photos online, but often these are not of professional quality and don't give the same information as an actual meeting. Both parties ought to understand this, and in arranging an appointment both take the risk that when they meet in the flesh the client may be too disappointed with the reality to proceed. Unless a cancellation fee was mentioned when the appointment was made, there's no obligation to pay one. Clients should always keep the bargains they make, but they're not obliged to honor terms they never agreed to. The most reputable escort agency I know has a policy that if the client is not happy with the escort when he arrives, he can immediately cancel with no obligation. That may be one reason they've stayed in business as long as they have.

 

>3. Should you find it necessary to cancel an appointment prior

>to the escort showing up, what is considered adequate notice

>(1 hour, several hours, or a day)? Is any token compensation

>appropriate and how much?

 

Common courtesy suggests to me that one should give as much notice as one can. But it is not possible to know how much notice any particular escort needs or wants unless one actually asks. There are escorts (and agencies) who will not book an appointment more than a day or two beforehand, and that limits the amount of notice that can be given to a very short window. It's best to set up a confirmation call with the escort ahead of time; that's a painless way to find out how much notice the escort wants if you are cancelling.

[+ Axiom2001]

I have had to cancel some appointments with escorts during the past year. When this has happened-- I've sent an email three or more days prior to the time. Thus far the escorts have been quite understanding and have responded favorably as well as supportively.

 

Last summer I had a "hot date" set up with my favorite Brasilian escort and friend who resides in San Francisco. The day of he sent me an email stating that he had cut his dick while shaving his pubic hair (something that I'd wish he'd reconsider, for I like a man with bush) Unfortunately, I was on the road at the time of transmital and did not get it in time. Right now I don't remember how I handled it other than being immensely concerned about his welfare, for I envisioned a big gash-- etc. His accident turned out not to be as serious as I'd imagined, but it would have prevented us from having hot sex. Apparently I must have handled it well, the cancellation, for I still see him at least every two months.

 

Last fall I had a date with another SF escort whom I'd wanted to see again. The time and place had been set, but an hour before the escort's arrival, he contacted me via his cell and stated that he was about to sit down to dinner at a restaurant and would be late; he gave me another time for his arrival. I accepted reluctantly and waited and waited and waited. The guy was about two hours late. By that time I had given up and ate a small meal in the hotel room. When he did arrive in his handsome leather gear and helmet (...rider of a motorcycle), I opened the door and he strolled in and placed his helmet in the corner of the room. When he neared me-- I stated that I did not want to go through with it. The cutie picked up his helmet and left. Several days later I sent him an email where I explained my disappointment but stated that I wanted to give it another try. From that time until today, he has not responded. I presume it is the loss of both of us, but I think before the end of the year I will contact him to see if he's up to seeing me.

[Prime Muscle]

You'll probably get a wide range of responses because there are a wide range of escorts. Some escorts meet as many clients per day as possible where as others limit it to one or two.

 

1. When and how should you terminate an appointment?

 

Canceling appointments -- either as an escort or a client -- is a case-by-case matter. But if you know you have to cancel, do so immediately with as much advance notice as possible. Some guys fuck around trying to figure out a nice way to put it but that only makes matters worse. Unfortunately, I've had to cancel a few appointments due to unforeseen circumstances but I've always provided the client with at least 24 hours notice and it was for unavoidable reasons.

 

 

2. If you just don't care for the looks of an escort, is that sufficient enough to turn him away? How much, if anything, should the escort be paid?

 

My guess that you will get a different answer from everyone on this question. Pictures are only worth so much and I realize that there is a chance the client may not like me once we meet. If that is the case, there is no obligation. I have not had any problems because I have accurate pics and stats so the client knows up front what to expect. But one the appointment starts, I expect full compensation. Of course this changes if travel and/or hotel expenses are involved. If the escort had to travel a long distance or if you asked the escort to rent a hotel room, those expenses should be covered. That is one of the reasons I do not travel or book the hotel room.

 

 

3. Should you find it necessary to cancel an appointment prior to the escort showing up, what is considered adequate notice (1 hour, several hours, or a day)? Is any token compensation appropriate and how much?

 

Unfortunately, cancellations are part of the business and I've had my share of clients change their minds. Other than getting mad, there is not much you can do and getting mad doesn't change things. But getting advance notice lessens the impact - even if its just an hour or 2. As far as compensation, once again you will get answers all over the board. For me, there is no obligation until we meet and the appointment starts but if there is a cancellation with less than reasonable notice, I simply will not reschedule with the client. Of course "reasonable notice" differs for each appointment. If I'm out of town and made the appointment several days (or a week in some cases) in advance, and had to turn someone else down, it's a big deal even with 24 hour notice. And I generally do not reschedule if the client is already substantially late and calls to tell me he will be even later.

 

4. For escorts, how do you handle it when the client is either drunk/high, too unclean to service, or just doesn't appear to be safe? (I'm assuming this situation can't be resolved by a shower and you really feel it's necessary to leave.)

 

I have absolutely no qualms about terminating an appointment on the spot if I do not feel safe for what ever reason and I've had to on a few occasions. I guess I'm lucky in that I have never encountered anyone too unclean to service but once again I would have no problems terminating the appointment. As far as partying or drinking - as long as I'm not in danger - I'm ok with it.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>If there really hasn't been any misrepresntation, then half,

>as Franco suggested, seems reasonable. If there has then send

>him packing.

 

After reading Bobby's answer on this one, I think I want to change mine. It's not something I had to deal with so I hadn't thought through what would be 'fair.' I think paying for any travel costs the escort incurred, be they across town or across the country, is sufficient. Maybe some kind of tip if you feel really bad about it. But honestly, this should happen so rarely to a good escort that in the big picture "cancellation at first sight," like refunds given for disappointing service on an off day, should amount to a miniscule cost of doing business.

[+ Lucky]

I have only "turned away" one escort. He advertised himself as "extremely handsome" and verified that on the phone. When he showed up, I did not by any standard think he was even "good-looking." He also had a bad attitude and was chewing gum. I gave him $20 for cab fare and he departed.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Agree To Disagree

 

While a number of people, clients and escorts alike, have offered their perspective here, there is not much real disagreement.

 

LOSS OF TIME

 

For example, Woodlawn claims no one has discussed the "loss" or "waste" of time by a client. First of all, the question is generally from the client's perspective: how do they cancel an appointment, what if the client does not like the look of the escort, what compensation, if any, is appropriate. Most of the responses have limited themselves to these circumstances.

 

Secondly, in my response I suggested the best way to answer all four questions raised was for a client (ANY client) to put themselves in the other person's shoes. As with many circumstances involving escort client relationship, common sense, courtesy, mutual consideration and respect and communication all afford both parties the treatment one would and should expect from another human being.

 

A client who did not ask sufficient questions, who did not ask for a complete description, cannot fairly state that his time has been wasted. In this instance, the buyer beware caveat is appropriately applied. However, and as I pointed out, if their is misrepresentation, if the pictures are neither recent, accurate nor the description is appropriate or realistic, then the escort is guilty of misrepresentation and dishonesty. In any such circumstance, as I suggested, the escort should not be entitled to anything.

 

However, as has often been pointed in some of these answers, if the client finds himself having let the escort into his building, unit or hotel room, a small amount of money (yes, frankly akin to a pay off) may be appropriate or a telephone call to a door man or other security employee may be. To me this is similar to being held up at gun point: a thief has neither earned nor is entitled to your property but do you really want to risk injury to your person over some misplaced attachment or assigned value to cash or a possession?

 

KILL FEES

 

I believe the analogy to a meal ordered out that I provided is very appropriate. If Devon looks like his pictures and his stats are accurately provided on his web site (as Bobby indicates), then even if a client is "surprised" at an unexpected height difference, this should not be sufficient to afford the client the opportunity to say, "too bad, good bye" without any moral or ethical obligation.

 

Tom Bustone many threads ago stated he advised clients that the first few minutes of a session (I believe 5 minutes) were free, however, once those minutes passed, if the client did not send the escort home, the entire fee was expected. This is the essence of what I said, except I set the bar at 15 minutes, as essentially Bobby did as well and I believe Devon would, without meaning to speak for him or to mispeak for Bobby.

 

Any of the escorts here who post regularly and are well reviewed would most likely find such an arrangement as Tom Bustone affords his clients to be both reasonable and expected. However, once the opportunity for a client to "get up from the table and not have the entree placed in line for prepartion at the kitchen" has passed, the client is obligated.

 

Again, I do not suggest that a client should get into a situation he is neither comfortable in nor wished to proceed with. I am discussing compensation. Additionally, if the client made a requirement clear: i.e., the escort is expected to be fully hard and to fuck the client, and the escort agrees and does not perform, this should and would impact the compensation. But if the client accepted a full hour session from the escort, he cannot then refuse to pay nothing at all simply because the escort did not perform one function, no matter how significant, that was requested.

 

I have never had a client "close the door" in my face and I doubt that has ever happened to Devon, Bobby, or any of the other escorts who post here regularly and are well reviewed. Again, these are never hard and fast situations. A case by case decision must be made that takes into account consideration, courtesy, communication and the representations made by both parties to one another.

[OneFinger]

Great responses so far and I appreciate the info. I recently cancelled an appointment several days prior to the meeting and I did find it difficult. (Once I make a commitment I like to follow through but that's not always possible.)

 

In that instance I did not offer a token cancellation fee since I felt there was sufficient time for the escort to arrange other appointments. From your responses, I "assume" I didn't err and provided sufficient notice.

 

I really admire escorts and their ability to handle an environment full of uncertainties. I think it would be very difficult working in a area where there are a lot of inquiries which often don't result in appointments. It takes a special kind of guy to work in those conditions.

[+ deej]

>I really admire escorts and their ability to handle an

>environment full of uncertainties. I think it would be very

>difficult working in a area where there are a lot of inquiries

>which often don't result in appointments. It takes a special

>kind of guy to work in those conditions.

 

Non-escorts get sudden schedule shifts too.

 

I had to give a same-day cancellation just this week. I'm like you and REALLY HATE breaking a commitment.

 

But my employer, who pays my salary that funds my escort encounters, made it unusually and uncustomarily clear that my presence was required at a meeting that exactly collided with an escort appointment I'd made.

 

I hated doing it. But the moment I knew I had a conflict I sent both voice mail and email. The escort knew almost as soon as I did.

 

I still hated doing it.

[langster]

I had to change an appointment from a Friday to a Sunday this past weekend, work related. I let him know three days in advance. I have been making appointments for the last 4 years and this is the first time for me to make a change. The bad part was the escort got sick and he had to cancel on me! He will be back in New Orleans for Decadence Labor Day Weekend and said he would make it up to me.:+ By the way all you escorts, when are you'll gonna post who will be here for Decadence?

[woodlawn]

RE: Agree To Disagree

 

>LOSS OF TIME

>

>For example, Woodlawn claims no one has discussed the "loss"

>or "waste" of time by a client.

 

"Claims"? Maybe you can show me the post where it is discussed?

 

>Secondly, in my response I suggested the best way to answer

>all four questions raised was for a client (ANY client) to put

>themselves in the other person's shoes.

 

Uh huh. And when do we get to the part where the escort puts himself in the shoes of the client whose time is wasted? Or is it only the client that has the obligation to consider the situation from the other guy's point of view?

 

>A client who did not ask sufficient questions, who did not ask

>for a complete description, cannot fairly state that his time

>has been wasted.

 

But that is not the situation described in the questions that were asked. You're simply assuming that if the escort is not what the client expected it must be the client's fault. Why? Why must it be the fault of either party? What we're talking about is essentially a blind date. In that situation, BOTH parties understand there is a significant risk that when they actually meet, one or the other may be disappointed even if both have acted with complete honesty and good faith. So why should either one have to pay a penalty?

 

>KILL FEES

>

>I believe the analogy to a meal ordered out that I provided is

>very appropriate.

 

It is? But better restaurants routinely allow the diner to send a dish back even after it is completed and served to him if he is in any way dissatisfied with it. Of course, in a restaurant the diner has the option of ordering something else. How is that supposed to work with an escort?

 

 

>Tom Bustone many threads ago stated he advised clients that

>the first few minutes of a session (I believe 5 minutes) were

>free, however, once those minutes passed, if the client did

>not send the escort home, the entire fee was expected. This is

>the essence of what I said,

 

 

Except for one thing. The key words are "he advised clients." There's a world of difference between a situation in which an escort lets the client know in advance that there is a cancellation fee, so the client can consider that in deciding whether to hire, and a situation in which an escort says nothing and expects the client to follow some unwritten rule of the escort trade that he never agreed to. To find oneself charged a hidden or undisclosed fee is annoying whether it comes from Mastercard or Hertz or from an escort.

 

>However, once the opportunity for a client to "get

>up from the table and not have the entree placed in line for

>prepartion at the kitchen" has passed, the client is

>obligated.

 

You must eat at some mighty chintzy restaurants.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Heresy

 

>"Claims"? Maybe you can show me the post where it is

>discussed?

 

 

Yawn. Scratch. Stretch.

 

>>Secondly, in my response I suggested the best way to answer

>>all four questions raised was for a client (ANY client) to

>put

>>themselves in the other person's shoes.

>

>Uh huh. And when do we get to the part where the escort puts

>himself in the shoes of the client whose time is wasted? Or

>is it only the client that has the obligation to consider the

>situation from the other guy's point of view?

 

 

Blah. Blah. Blah.

 

 

>>A client who did not ask sufficient questions, who did not

>ask

>>for a complete description, cannot fairly state that his

>time

>>has been wasted.

>

>But that is not the situation described in the questions that

>were asked. You're simply assuming that if the escort is not

>what the client expected it must be the client's fault. Why?

>Why must it be the fault of either party? What we're talking

>about is essentially a blind date.

 

You made a funny, Woody. Good one!

 

>In that situation, BOTH

>parties understand there is a significant risk that when they

>actually meet, one or the other may be disappointed even if

>both have acted with complete honesty and good faith. So why

>should either one have to pay a penalty?

 

Blah. Blah. Blah.

 

If you cannot comprehend what is being said, if you are going to continue to take material out of its contextual placement, if you going to make points outside and beyond both the scope of the issue presented, the comments addressed as well as your own field of knowledge, perhaps you had best limit yourself to looking for typographical and other errors. You have clearly shown superiority in that regard and Goddess only knows we can always use another poster who can proofread.

 

 

 

 

>>KILL FEES

>>

>>I believe the analogy to a meal ordered out that I provided

>is

>>very appropriate.

>

>It is? But better restaurants routinely allow the diner to

>send a dish back even after it is completed and served to him

>if he is in any way dissatisfied with it. Of course, in a

>restaurant the diner has the option of ordering something

>else. How is that supposed to work with an escort?

 

 

Blah. Blah. Blah.

 

>>Tom Bustone many threads ago stated he advised clients that

>>the first few minutes of a session (I believe 5 minutes)

>were

>>free, however, once those minutes passed, if the client did

>>not send the escort home, the entire fee was expected. This

>is

>>the essence of what I said,

>

>

>Except for one thing. The key words are "he advised clients."

> There's a world of difference between a situation in which an

>escort lets the client know in advance that there is a

>cancellation fee, so the client can consider that in deciding

>whether to hire, and a situation in which an escort says

>nothing and expects the client to follow some unwritten rule

>of the escort trade that he never agreed to. To find oneself

>charged a hidden or undisclosed fee is annoying whether it

>comes from Mastercard or Hertz or from an escort.

 

Blah. Blah. Blah.

 

Again, if you are going to take comments out of context, if you are going to misrepresent and otherwise fail to comprehend what is being stated, perhaps you need to limit yourself to simply reading posts. Perhaps with practice, earnest patience and application, coherent comprehension will follow.

 

 

>>However, once the opportunity for a client to "get

>>up from the table and not have the entree placed in line for

>>prepartion at the kitchen" has passed, the client is

>>obligated.

>

>You must eat at some mighty chintzy restaurants.

>

 

 

Actually, I eat out rarely. I like to cook and I am quite good at it. When I do eat out, I make certain the server understands my order, I inquire as to the composition of a dish, if I have any questions or if the menu is unclear, and if I have any special request or dietary requirements, I make them quite clear. I have yet to be disappointed.

 

Of course, I know how to read a menu and understand and comprehend the English language (as well as other languages) with great aclarity and thus I must not present with some of the difficulties and circumstances that you must encounter with eating out.

 

I stand by my comments, which you clearly neither read nor understood. If their is sufficient communication between a client and escort, any problems which nonetheless arise can be easily rectified.

 

If memory serves correctly, your hiring patterns consists of pulling your vehicle over to the bumper and lowering your passenger window and waving the portrait of Andrew Jackson at what ever available young man you could consider a suitable specimen. Perhaps you need to try some new neighborhoods?

[VaHawk]

>One thing I do not see mentioned in any of the responses to your question so far is that in the situation you describe it is not merely the escort's time and effort that have been wasted but also the client's. But no one suggests that the client should receive any compensation for his time.>

 

Now this is one of the most astute comments I've read on this board. Why does everyone assume the client has not invested any time, effort or money? And like you I have yet to see anyone address this issue fairly.

 

Everyone so far has assumed that the escort is going to the client. What about the case when the client is the one traveling to the escort, gets to the escort's hotel and for whatever the reason the escort is the one killing the appointment? I SERIOUSLY DOUBT any escort is going to refund the client for his travel costs and time. Sounds like a one way street when the escort only is "entitled" to kill fees.

 

What about the case when the client has purchased non-refundable air fare for an escort to fly to his hometown or to fly to the escort's hometown and the escort, for whatever reason has to cancel? Or the client takes leave from work to fly to the escort for a weekend booking and he gets there and due to other factors the weekend is reduced to an evening session? Is the escort going to refund the client for the cost of the ticket and/or the extra nights in a hotel in his hometown? I'll give you 100 to 1 odds that he won't!

 

LOL! Escorting must be the only business in the world where many of the merchants expect to be paid in full for non-delivery of services or delivery of services not consistent to the agreed upon terms. If a client/escort agree that the escort will provide a specific service but the escort is not able to deliver that specific service but substitutes it with a different service, then why should the client pay the agreed upon fee?

[woodlawn]

RE: Heresy

 

>

>>"Claims"? Maybe you can show me the post where it is

>>discussed?

>

>

>Yawn. Scratch.

 

Franco, if you would bathe more often you wouldn't need to scratch so much.

 

>Actually, I eat out rarely.

 

That explains why you don't know much about how restaurants actually deal with customers. So perhaps you should simply stop talking as if you do.

 

> I like to cook and I am quite good

>at it. When I do eat out, I make certain the server

>understands my order, I inquire as to the composition of a

>dish, if I have any questions or if the menu is unclear, and

>if I have any special request or dietary requirements, I make

>them quite clear. I have yet to be disappointed.

 

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with anything relating to this thread.

 

>Of course, I know how to read a menu and understand and

>comprehend the English language (as well as other languages)

>with great aclarity

 

Franco, I love the way you constantly boast about your command of English and in the very same post invariably make some stupid error like the one above. You seem to have an unlimited appetite for making a fool of yourself.

 

>and thus I must not present with some of

>the difficulties and circumstances that you must encounter

>with eating out.

 

Of course not, since you "comprehend the English language . . . with great 'aclarity.'" LOL!

 

 

>I stand by my comments, which you clearly neither read nor

>understood. If their is sufficient communication between a

>client and escort, any problems which nonetheless arise can be

>easily rectified.

 

 

Blah, blah, blah.

 

>If memory serves correctly, your hiring patterns consists of

>pulling your vehicle over to the bumper

 

LOL! Pulling a vehicle "over to the bumper" would be a mighty good trick! Is that what they do in your native land? I sure am glad you "comprehend the English language . . . with great aclarity."

 

>and lowering your

>passenger window and waving the portrait of Andrew Jackson at

>what ever available young man you could consider a suitable

>specimen. Perhaps you need to try some new neighborhoods?

 

If I ever want advice from a middle-aged skank, you'll be the first person I ask. You are, after all, the oldest whore I know.

 

[bigguyinpasadena]

RE: Heresy

 

What about your Momma?

[woodlawn]

RE: Heresy

 

>What about your Momma?

 

What the fuck do you care, fat boy?

[bigguyinpasadena]

RE: Heresy

 

Just wanted to know if she was still "working"you bittttttter ol'scmuck

[bigguyinpasadena]

RE: Heresy

 

Just wanted to freshen your memory regarding"oldest whore I know"to which I replied "What about your Momma"

Ya know,there are so few op's to really use a phrase like"What about your Momma"it just made my day to find such a great place to insert that phrase.

No scoot back under your bridge dearie.Ya bitttttttter ol' schmuck.

[woodlawn]

RE: Heresy

 

>Just wanted to know if she was still "working"you bittttttter

>ol'scmuck

 

It seems like a pointless question. Even Bill Gates doesn't have enough money to get ANYONE to fuck a fat old poof like you. Well, maybe Franco would do it. You fat boys tend to stick together, right?

 

By the way, I heard that you're so fat, when you go camping the bears hide their food from you. That true?

[bigguyinpasadena]

RE: Heresy

 

nope-sorry-My retort"What about your Momma"still wins.

Now back under your bridge.

[woodlawn]

RE: Heresy

 

>nope-sorry-My retort"What about your Momma"still wins.

>Now back under your bridge.

 

You've never won shit in your life and you never will. That's why you hang out here fantasizing about all the good looking young men who wouldn't come within a mile of you if they weren't paid to. Do you really think there's anyone here who doesn't know that? Now take your 70s - era cliches and shove them up your fat ass. If your arms are long enough, that is.