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Hey guys,

 

I was interested in trying out Anthony Holloway however the reviews I have read vary greatly. x( I need your help! Any regulars here on the message board hire Anthony recently?

 

I think he is hot but I am worried since all the good reviews are from first timers. I am not slamming Anthony I am just interested in the facts.

 

Thanks Guys!:9

 

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Never been with him, but yes he looks hot, saw him on a video he did look hot there. But saw some antics on this board and I am not sure I would hire without more encoruagement from trusting people. Lots of Porn Boys look good on Vid's but you can't seem to see their "Attitude there" HUGS Chuck50:P :p

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>Hey guys,

>

>I was interested in trying out Anthony Holloway however the

>reviews I have read vary greatly. x( I need your help! Any

>regulars here on the message board hire Anthony recently?

 

I like you also have an interest, but due to the same reservations, plus some drama on this board, I chose to pass on him during my LA trip a few months ago

 

>I think he is hot but I am worried since all the good reviews

>are from first timers. I am not slamming Anthony I am just

>interested in the facts.

>

 

If I had, had more time to spend in LA I would have taken a chance on him out of curiosity (OK LUST) and he is indeed Hot looking.

 

Maybe you should take the plunge and let us know.

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This guy has stolen money from a number of potential johns. Some of his antics have been well-documented on this message center. Although sometimes "first time reviewers" are just that, most of the time they are simply the escort himself. An occasional first-time review might be viewed as an advertisement. When an escort has a long list of first-time reviewers, I think one has to view this as a big warning sign regarding the escort's character/honesty. Under no circumstance would I hire someone with two or more negative reviews by established reviewers, and a bunch of positive reviews by first-time reviewers. That combination really spells out SOCIOPATH.

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>This guy has stolen money from a number of potential johns.

>Some of his antics have been well-documented on this message

>center. Although sometimes "first time reviewers" are just

>that, most of the time they are simply the escort himself.

 

I seriously considered hiring him when he was located on the east coast but backed off when reviews began to appear by clients who had sent him money before the appointment at his request and who never saw him or their money again. Although Hooboy attempted to cast doubt on these reviews by claiming he was unable to verify the facts stated, I have the impression that no amount of proof would have gotten him to admit that they were accurate. One of the clients actually sent Hooboy documents showing he had sent AH money through Western Union but even that wasn't enough.

 

Hooboy originally posted a warning above AH's reviews but that warning was later dropped, and the original negative reviews have been submerged by a bunch of positive reviews, mostly from first-time reviewers. It's not unheard of for escorts reviewed here to deal with negative reviews by posting positive reviews to push the negative ones down to the bottom of the column.

 

There are plenty of escorts in Southern California who don't have a history like AH's. Why take a chance on being ripped off if you don't have to?

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Yeah, definitely a red flag up here. Too bad too since he's such a hot looking guy. And didn't he actually get chosen on THIS site as "Escort of the Year" a couple of years ago? Might be wrong, but sort of remember that.

 

Warnings and mixed reviews aside, I did actually consider hiring him awhile back since he was so hot in his pictures. Chatted with him on AOL and didn't get a good vibe, so I decided to trust my intuition and pass.

 

One of the good things about all of the information on this site is that although it can not always guarantee us fabulous sex, it can sometimes prevent us from making major mistakes. Hard to know for sure but where there's smoke there's usually fire. Think for the moment in this case I'll just pass on old Anthony and pick a safer choice from column B.

 

Plus since Brogan, Billy Brandt and Eric York all live in LA why go anywhere else anyway?

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And another thing.....

 

Isn't it a little odd that Anthony would post a link to his new site on this very thread and not say one word to try and dispel some of the misgivings of some of the other posters?

 

Also took a look at that site. Notice the "friends" page has three busty straight porno chicks and no guys.

 

New red flags keep cropping up. Oh well, maybe Sam Dixon will come out of retirement or Alec Powers will through LA soon.....Unless of course Anthony decides to make some free time available to a group of judges from this site as a marketing/PR gesture so we can re-evaluate him and see if he has been getting a bum rap.

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>Isn't it a little odd that Anthony would post a link to his

>new site on this very thread and not say one word to try and

>dispel some of the misgivings of some of the other posters?

 

What's he supposed to say that won't just fan the flames? His non-response actually shows a lot more maturity than the people who criticize without knowing the facts.

 

I've never hired Anthony, although I'm seriously considering it. I did, however, do an interview with him that's published on the web. I asked him point blank about his reputation. He had good, direct, and seemingly honest answers.

 

There's been absolutely nothing about him recently to raise flags. Previous evidence was anecdotal and couldn't be confirmed on investigation.

 

I'd say the jury is still out. Nobody "we know" has hired him. Wouldn't it be a crying shame to find out he's actually a splendid date we've all been avoiding for reasons that don't exist?

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>There's been absolutely nothing about him recently to raise

>flags. Previous evidence was anecdotal and couldn't be

>confirmed on investigation.

>

>I'd say the jury is still out. Nobody "we know" has hired him.

 

Actually, someone from the message center did hire him a little over a year ago as I recall, and had a good time, but he said he had to "know how to handle him," and having it spelled out up front that he would receive no money until he got adequate service was one of the things he had to do. I remember the Western Union fiasco, among others. When Hooboy asked for evidence, he produced a cashed Western Union check with Anthony Holloway's real name in the amount in question. If that isn't iron-clad evidence, I don't know what is.

I think one would have to be quite off-base to deny AH's thievery and sociopathy. He will clearly rip off people when he thinks he can get away with it. I suppose some people are still infatuated with his looks, and I guess have smoke in their eyes or something. In the case of a client who's experienced with handling "difficult" escorts, he could probably manage AH if he were firm. He might e-mail something to the effect of "Given your reputation, I'd be willing to hire you, but on the condition that you get paid only upon satisfactory completion of service," and then not get bullied when the meeting comes.

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Anyone who has been on the Message Center for a few years must remember a whole series of postings by a number of clients about Anthony Holloway's dishonest behavior.

 

The behavior supposedly ranged from not showing up for appointments to keeping deposits and airline tickets. Holloway always had answers, but too many people complained for it to be one client out to get Anthony.

 

As other have said, there are enough good escorts around with excellent reviews that Holloway should be avoided (no matter how good looking he may be).

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>remember the Western Union fiasco, among others. When Hooboy

>asked for evidence, he produced a cashed Western Union check

>with Anthony Holloway's real name in the amount in question.

 

Claimed to have provided. That claim didn't prove to be true.

 

You've been around here long enough to know that much of what's posted here needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

>If that isn't iron-clad evidence, I don't know what is.

 

Having the actual evidence would be. ;-) I don't have it. Do you?

 

I'm not saying there's no evidence here, kids, I'm saying there is doubt. Holloway's stalker offered to send me "evidence", even proffered a photocopy of a registered mail receipt addressed to me. Somehow, the mail never arrived. I know the USPS has "issues" but come on! The USPS has no record of that parcel.

 

HooBoy would NOT have taken down the warning flag without reason. (If anything he'd keep it up.)

 

I'm just suggesting a dose of reality here, folks.

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>but too many people complained for it to

>be one client out to get Anthony.

 

How many times in the last year has this board been completely hijacked by one poster determined to completely control it? (And I'm not talking about Rick Munroe. ;-))

 

One poster can (and will) carry on a concerted campaign. He has a long history of it. He also has a long history of lies and "proven" facts (that aren't proven at all).

 

You've been here long enough to know this.

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>I'd say the jury is still out. Nobody "we know" has hired him.

>Wouldn't it be a crying shame to find out he's actually a

>splendid date we've all been avoiding for reasons that don't

>exist?

 

Actually, the above isn't quite true. :) I've been posting here for just about as long as anyone -- since the original software that has long since disappeared -- so I guess I should qualify as someone "you know" and I'm on record here as having hired AH.

 

When the whole AH thing was in an uproar a while back (when was that -- 2 years ago?? 3 years ago??), I was curious about this person who was being cast as evil incarnate.

 

So I hired him.

 

I didn't mention this message center before, during or after the event. He had no idea that I knew anything about him. I simply arranged to meet him at my home and purposely set no conditions. I was curious if he would try to rip me off. What he did was this:

 

(1) He arrived early.

(2) He stayed longer than the hour we had arranged for.

(3) He never asked for his fee -- either up front or even at the end. Instead, after pausing to see if he would, I offered it to him. (This is not my normal modus operandi, but I wanted to see how he would act, given the things that were being written about him.)

 

He was charming, confident, not at all arrogant and definitely trying to please. I felt he acted professionally all the way around.

 

I wouldn't hire him again because he isn't really my type. But, as I posted here at that time, based on my experience I wouldn't hesitate to suggest that others who find him attractive give him a go.

 

I can't speak to any of the rumors that have persisted over the years; I can only speak to my own personal experience. And, in that experience, he was a gentleman.

 

BG

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>sorta takes the wind out of your sails when BG endorses

>someone.

 

No, it doesn't. This is not the first time he has endorsed escorts about whom other clients have made serious complaints.

 

The subject matter of this website and the degree of anonymity it requires prevents any of us from proving any statement we make about our personal experiences, including our experiences with escorts. What I remember about the Western Union incident, for example, is that Hooboy acknowledged receiving a FAX from a reviewer showing that money had been sent. That, of course, does not prove that Holloway took the money and didn't show up. If you were the reviewer in question, how would you go about proving it? Can you think of any way to do it that does not require us to rely on your truthfulness for any part of the story? Try it.

 

I suppose the one thing management can do is check the IP addresses of those who submitted complaints about Holloway to verify that they are not all the same person. If they are not, if several different people really had this sort of problem with him, then why would you ever consider hiring him?

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>>sorta takes the wind out of your sails when BG endorses

>>someone.

>

>No, it doesn't. This is not the first time he has endorsed

>escorts about whom other clients have made serious complaints.

>

>

 

In other threads, when someone makes a claim that you believe to be not true, you accuse them of lying, which presumes an intent to deceive.

 

I'll simply say here that I believe you are mistaken.

 

I've posted here for a long time and my memory has been wrong before. It's possible it's wrong now. Nevertheless, from the beginning of M4M, I have consistently expressed many concerns about the very nature of the review process and the problems that I believe are intrinsic to it. Consequently, I generally do not participate in it and try to contribute in other ways.

 

There have been exceptions.

 

One concerned Anthony Holloway who, as I described above, seemed to be an early example of someone who I thought was being vilified with what began to have the feel of a witch hunt. I don't like witch hunts and I don't like seeing innocent people vilified -- if they are in fact innocent.

 

I became curious enough to try to find out for myself what the story was and was willing to spend some money to find out. As I reported earlier today and reported at the time this all occurred, my encounter with AH was fine, enjoyable and conducted by him from the beginning of our communications to saying goodbye in a thoroughly professional manner.

 

Whenever discussing this, I have always added that I have no way of speaking to the other rumors and my good experience with him does not speak to the truth or lack thereof of what others have said. All it speaks to is that I had a good experience with him.

 

However, at the time, I was the ONLY person on the board who could say "I hired AH and this was my experience." Everyone else was reporting something someone else had said. So I felt that was a point worth making.

 

At another time, I made a recommendation for an LA-based masseur based on long personal experience. I'd recommend him again in a heartbeat, because he's good, professional, friendly and gives a great massage.

 

For the record, his name is Jimmie and his email address is YNGMASSEUR@AOL.COM. I was pleased recently to see Glutes recommend him as well in the massage section.

 

Several years ago, I recommended an LA-based escort named Reed who doesn't escort anymore and also an LA-based masseur named Tyler who is also out of the business.

 

To the best of my recollection, these are the only endorsements that I have made publicly on the Message Center. To my knowledge, no one has ever made a single complaint -- much less a serious one -- about any of these young men.

 

Consequently, I believe that you err when you state above "This is not the first time he has endorsed escorts about whom other clients have made serious complaints."

 

BG

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>In other threads, when someone makes a claim that you believe

>to be not true, you accuse them of lying, which presumes an

>intent to deceive.

 

That is not a true statement. I generally use that term to refer to statements other posters make mischaracterizing my recent words here or the words of others, words which are on the board and easily available for anyone to see. And I use that term when circumstances lead me to believe that the mischaracterization is deliberate and malicious. See the thread on "How do you know if you're gay," for a recent example.

 

>I'll simply say here that I believe you are mistaken.

 

We'll see.

 

>I've posted here for a long time and my memory has been wrong

>before. It's possible it's wrong now.

 

Which of us is perfect?

 

>One concerned Anthony Holloway who, as I described above,

>seemed to be an early example of someone who I thought was

>being vilified with what began to have the feel of a witch

>hunt. I don't like witch hunts and I don't like seeing

>innocent people vilified -- if they are in fact innocent.

 

And whether he is innocent is something that to this day you do not really know. There is an assumption underlying some of the comments on Holloway's negative reviews to the effect that the people writing those reviews have the burden of proving that they are telling the truth. What about the people -- including you -- who have made positive comments about him? If asked to prove that your account of your experience with him is truthful, could you do it?

 

 

>I became curious enough to try to find out for myself what the

>story was and was willing to spend some money to find out.

 

 

But, as you tell us below, that is not exactly what you did. You didn't spend your time and money trying to find out whether the accusations made by other reviewers are true. Instead, you hired AH yourself to see whether your experience would be similar to theirs. That it was not hardly proves that they did not tell the truth.

 

>Whenever discussing this, I have always added that I have no

>way of speaking to the other rumors and my good experience

>with him does not speak to the truth or lack thereof of what

>others have said. All it speaks to is that I had a good

>experience with him.

 

Exactly.

 

>However, at the time, I was the ONLY person on the board who

>could say "I hired AH and this was my experience." Everyone

>else was reporting something someone else had said. So I felt

>that was a point worth making.

 

Everyone else on the board, yes. But I recently re-read his reviews and found that quite a number of people went to the trouble of posting reviews claiming that he ripped them off in various ways. I don't know whether any of those reviewers has also posted here, but if they have not I don't see how that affects their credibility, do you?

 

 

>To the best of my recollection, these are the only

>endorsements that I have made publicly on the Message Center.

>To my knowledge, no one has ever made a single complaint --

>much less a serious one -- about any of these young men.

>

>Consequently, I believe that you err when you state above

>"This is not the first time he has endorsed escorts about whom

>other clients have made serious complaints."

 

Does the name Zach Evans ring a bell?

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>And whether he is innocent is something that to this day you

>do not really know. There is an assumption underlying some of

>the comments on Holloway's negative reviews to the effect that

>the people writing those reviews have the burden of proving

>that they are telling the truth. What about the people --

>including you -- who have made positive comments about him?

>If asked to prove that your account of your experience with

>him is truthful, could you do it?

>

 

No, of course not. And I've always said that I could only speak to my own experience with him.

 

My own experience here and on other Internet boards has provided me with the ability to associate certain posters with an "identity". For example, I think I understand a bit about how Will and Tampa Yankee see the world. I also have come to believe that what they post is reliable and true. Their long history here and how that history has unfolded has led me to a point where I trust them. It's as simple as that and, in some ways, mirrors the kind of trust we offer people that we get to know in real life.

 

I have no way of verifying if this trust is warranted, nor do I seek such a method. It's in the nature of trust that you either have it or you don't.

 

I don't necessarily disbelieve a brand-new poster but nor do I accord such a person with a high degree of trust, either, especially if they make statements or accusations that I find difficult to believe.

 

I don't know how others process the information they find here or elsewhere; that's up to them. The name Boston Guy has been in use at M4M for a long time now and I hope there's some credibility associated with it. I hope people believe that what I write here is truthful. But that's for others to decide, not me.

 

>But, as you tell us below, that is not exactly what you did.

>You didn't spend your time and money trying to find out

>whether the accusations made by other reviewers are true.

>Instead, you hired AH yourself to see whether your experience

>would be similar to theirs. That it was not hardly proves

>that they did not tell the truth.

>

 

Agreed. I've always made that point. However, at the time, I was the only "known quantity" here who could speak from personal experience.

 

>Everyone else on the board, yes. But I recently re-read his

>reviews and found that quite a number of people went to the

>trouble of posting reviews claiming that he ripped them off in

>various ways. I don't know whether any of those reviewers has

>also posted here, but if they have not I don't see how that

>affects their credibility, do you?

 

That's for each person to decide for themselves. For me, I find the review process to be fatally flawed and easily manipulated. I certainly would pay no attention to anything written by people who have not become known quantities here. I don't know how others decide what is credible and what is not.

 

 

>Does the name Zach Evans ring a bell?

>

 

Actually, I had forgotten Zach. That's unfortunate, because he's a nice guy who I think may even be still escorting in LA.

 

If I recall correctly, wasn't the controversy over Zach centered around whether or not he sent some sort of inflammatory note to Regulation? Did anyone here ever offer any complaints about his escorting services? (It's been so long, I actually don't recall.)

 

This was another case where someone I had gotten to know became a target in the Message Center and I felt compelled to step in and offer my own experience. In the case of Zach, he was (is?) a gentle young man who was sexy and smart and fun. But the emphasis must be on young with many young escorts: as we have all seen, it's easy for young escorts to get embroiled in a controversy here, respond in ways that betry their youth and inexperience and end up coming off badly.

 

I think if you search the archives, you will find a post by me someplace saying something like "I don't hire escorts because of their debating skill in the Message Center. Instead I hire hot, sexy, fun guys." or something to that effect. I think you will also find another post by me saying something like "I don't know if Zach sent the note to Regulation or not but my experience with him has been terrific and if he did send an inappropriate note, I'd be really disappointed in him."

 

People interact with different people differently and it's entirely possible that someone I get along well with will be like oil and water with someone else. One of the benefits of the Message Center is of course that various people can offer their own personal experience with others. The readers who come here can then take those comments in the context of their knowledge of each poster and decide the best course of action for themselves.

 

BG

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I have had a totally different experience with the reviews than BG, especially the earlier ones. From 1999-2002, I saw the same escort on a regular basis. I got to know him very well as a person and as an escort.

 

When I read his reviews, they very accurately describe the person whom I know. In the early days, even excellent reviews contained some minor critical comments. For this escorts, even the minor critical comments were right on target.

 

Anthony Holloway's reviews also go back to the early days of this site. I just went back and read most of them; they are all over the place in describing the experiences with Holloway. A reviewer or several reviewer may have a personal bias against Anthony. Also, so many reviews by first-time reviewers tend to distort the picture.

But, you get no clear idea of who Anthony is, unlike the escort's reviews whom I saw for three years

 

Based on my experience on this site, I would not take a chance on Anthony Holloway. As for BG's comments, I am sure he is truthful and sincere in describing his encounter. But, there are enough negative comments plus very extended responses from Anthony to make me look elsewhere.

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