Disappointed

[+ Lucky]

Today there is a rebuttal of a review from Cole Ramsey. I was disappointed to see that he used the standard escort response that the client had bad breath. Really. This is such a cliche in an escort response. If it was true, then why did he offer to see the client again at a reduced rate? He even made the unusual step (for him) of giving out his cell phone number to someone he didn't want to see again. I doubt it.

[Luv2play]

"Lucky you". I haven't even seen today's reviews. Still on Saturday. What gives?:-(

[LovesYng]

>"Lucky you". I haven't even seen today's reviews. Still on

>Saturday. What gives?:-(

 

Hey Luv, they been up since the AM. Always have my Sunday Morning coffee & laugh reading some of the new reviews. I was thinking the same thing Lucky when I was reading his respond but it did not click in. DAMN I wonder what's wrong, maybe to much sex??????? My mind is slowing down..

 

When in doubt I whip it out:+ :+

[excelntsvc]

Sorry guys .. while I very rarely side with the escorts over the clients, in this case, i take Cole's word for it ... I've just posted a review of my experience with him during his nyc visit ... there was nothing I asked him to do that he did not do willingly ... kissing, sucking, you name it ... given that I am nowhere near pin up material, and that i had not booked him in advance, I'm gonna have to think that his explanation about foul breath is dead on ... it's been said before, but is worth repeating.... hygiene is important ... to the client and the escort.

[taylorky]

devils advocate here.....why not just say hey DUDE your breath smells like cat shit. (well maybe not those exact words) and then offer him some lavoris,scope,draino.etc:. at least give the poor nasty fuck a chance to clean up the toxic pie hole before ya bail on him.........taylorwithbreathasfreshasatacobellebeanburittoewwww@18:04-03/28/03ummmmm to clarify i just ate 2 bean burittos so the ahhhh never mind

[+ nycman]

>I was disappointed to see that he used the standard escort response that

>the client had bad breath. Really. This is such a cliche in an escort response.

 

I thought..."he had a dirty hole"...was the traditional ironclad escort response.

[Flower]

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] I have 2 thoughts on the subject--well actually several, so lets see how far I go :+

 

First, I see clients for different services:P all the time and more than you would believe have terrible breath--I can't believe people are so unaware of their piss-poor dental hygiene and stinky breath . Sometimes it's all I can do to sit across the desk or table from them and if they try and get closer to read documents, I give them my seat (Even if a medical problem, it can still be temporarily corrected for personal encounters if one is vigilant.

 

Luckily, I'm not called upon to kiss or get personal with these hygienically challenged folks and it's a good thing, cause I absolutely could not do it--it's bad enough being at the same desk with them.

 

Recently I was out of town taking a computer-oriented seminar and the instructor had the absolutely MOST TERRIBLE breath I had ever had the displeasure of having breathed in my face. It was supposed to be a 3 hour session, but he was working at the same keyboard with me and therefore way too close--I packed up and left after 2 hours--just couldn't take it. I offered gum but he didn't take the hint

 

That being said, (now, the second thought ) if I was expected to kiss this hygienically challenged individual, I think I'd at least say something, such as, "ooops, almost forgot--let's both use some mouth wash:)" and in fact have done so with the very few escorts I've met with that same problem.

 

So I do recognize it is a VERY common problem, but think something ought to be gracefully said to try and correct it before it ends up as an issue on performance such as this.:+ Bottom-line, it is insensitive of the client, but should be something the escort could salvage. As an escort, when arranging these encounters, I'd send an email reminding him to be sure to brush and use mouth wash to maximize the fun--I've gotten emails like that and appreciate the effort and feel I'm getting an escort who himself will be hygienically fun:P

 

...and oh, yeah--getting to the actual post, since it happens so often to me, I tend to believe this well worn excuse. :+

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

En Fait (actually)

 

>>I was disappointed to see that he used the standard escort

>response that

>>the client had bad breath. Really. This is such a cliche in

>an escort response.

>

>I thought..."he had a dirty hole"...was the traditional

>ironclad escort response.

 

The current version of the union handbook expressly forbids the phrase "dirty hole" and strongly urges that your escort smile broadly, hand a disposable fleet enema to his client, while he mumbles under his breath: "your nether regions appear unprepared for use."

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

En Fait (actually)

 

>>I was disappointed to see that he used the standard escort

>response that

>>the client had bad breath. Really. This is such a cliche in

>an escort response.

>

>I thought..."he had a dirty hole"...was the traditional

>ironclad escort response.

 

The current version of the union handbook expressly forbids the phrase "dirty hole" and strongly urges that your escort smile broadly, hand a disposable fleet enema to his client, while he mumbles under his breath: "your nether regions appear unprepared for use."

[Luv2play]

Having lived in Europe and America, I would suggest this is a topic where the two cultures diverge somewhat. Americans, on the whole, are much more obsessed with personal hygiene than Europeans, who on the whole, tend to be more natural. While these differences have narrowed over the years with globalization (P&G is everywhere), there is still a cultural bias in the USA to altering or masking such things as food odours, especially spicy foods.

 

That being said, the best defence against bad breath is daily flossing and forget all the gimmicks that try to mask rotting food between the teeth!:7

[Luv2play]

Having lived in Europe and America, I would suggest this is a topic where the two cultures diverge somewhat. Americans, on the whole, are much more obsessed with personal hygiene than Europeans, who on the whole, tend to be more natural. While these differences have narrowed over the years with globalization (P&G is everywhere), there is still a cultural bias in the USA to altering or masking such things as food odours, especially spicy foods.

 

That being said, the best defence against bad breath is daily flossing and forget all the gimmicks that try to mask rotting food between the teeth!:7

[Flower]

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]

That being said , I think escorts ought to send a hygiene pack to the client's room 30 minutes before they meet--it could have small hotel samples of fragrant bath gel, tooth paste, mouth wash and dental floss with a note to "call my cell when you've used them all." }(

[Flower]

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]

That being said , I think escorts ought to send a hygiene pack to the client's room 30 minutes before they meet--it could have small hotel samples of fragrant bath gel, tooth paste, mouth wash and dental floss with a note to "call my cell when you've used them all." }(

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>I think escorts ought to send a hygiene

>pack to the client's room 30 minutes before they meet--it

>could have small hotel samples of fragrant bath gel, tooth

>paste, mouth wash and dental floss with a note to "call my

>cell when you've used them all." }(

 

Brushing and flossing before any situation in which you expect a dick to enter your mouth is not really a good hygiene practice because you're creating hundreds of little tears in the gums for HIV or other STDs to enter (and, if your gums bleed, possibly exposing your partner to blood in your mouth). DO brush and floss daily, just not more than 8 hours or so before your date. Stick to mouthwash, gum or Listermint strips before playtime. ;-)

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>I think escorts ought to send a hygiene

>pack to the client's room 30 minutes before they meet--it

>could have small hotel samples of fragrant bath gel, tooth

>paste, mouth wash and dental floss with a note to "call my

>cell when you've used them all." }(

 

Brushing and flossing before any situation in which you expect a dick to enter your mouth is not really a good hygiene practice because you're creating hundreds of little tears in the gums for HIV or other STDs to enter (and, if your gums bleed, possibly exposing your partner to blood in your mouth). DO brush and floss daily, just not more than 8 hours or so before your date. Stick to mouthwash, gum or Listermint strips before playtime. ;-)

[Guest DevonSFescort]

I have no idea about this specific incident, but it's worth remembering that bad breath is a cliche excuse because it's a cliche experience. I've been around the message center long enough to know never to mention a client's breath in a rebuttal, but that doesn't mean it must be false or suspect if an escort who isn't as well versed in M4M propriety brings it up.

 

Yes, hopefully in most cases, an escort will be able to delicately raise the breath issue on the spot without offending or embarrassing the client. But when you're actually there in the line of fire (so to speak) it isn't always easy to think of a response that that particular individual, who is paying you $200 or more to be with him but who hasn't paid you YET, will take well. Remember, if someone shows up for an appointment with bad breath, that's a problem in itself, but sometimes it's also a symptom of other problems with the person's social skills. Sometimes, in the heat (or lack thereof) of the moment, you're just going to steer as clear of the guy's mouth as you can and hope he doesn't pick up on it or complain. And sometimes, unfortunately, he will pick up on it.

 

My point is that if a client shows up with bad breath, a dirty hole, or any other condition that it's cliche for escorts to complain about, then by definition he's putting his escort on the spot and creating a situation that's going to make it harder for the escort to please and satisfy him. One perfectly valid reason for hiring escorts is so that you can have a sexual or romantic experience without subjecting yourself to the hazards of the dating world, and that's absolutely fine. But that doesn't mean that what you bring to the table -- especially when it comes to hygiene -- won't impact how good a time you have.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

I have no idea about this specific incident, but it's worth remembering that bad breath is a cliche excuse because it's a cliche experience. I've been around the message center long enough to know never to mention a client's breath in a rebuttal, but that doesn't mean it must be false or suspect if an escort who isn't as well versed in M4M propriety brings it up.

 

Yes, hopefully in most cases, an escort will be able to delicately raise the breath issue on the spot without offending or embarrassing the client. But when you're actually there in the line of fire (so to speak) it isn't always easy to think of a response that that particular individual, who is paying you $200 or more to be with him but who hasn't paid you YET, will take well. Remember, if someone shows up for an appointment with bad breath, that's a problem in itself, but sometimes it's also a symptom of other problems with the person's social skills. Sometimes, in the heat (or lack thereof) of the moment, you're just going to steer as clear of the guy's mouth as you can and hope he doesn't pick up on it or complain. And sometimes, unfortunately, he will pick up on it.

 

My point is that if a client shows up with bad breath, a dirty hole, or any other condition that it's cliche for escorts to complain about, then by definition he's putting his escort on the spot and creating a situation that's going to make it harder for the escort to please and satisfy him. One perfectly valid reason for hiring escorts is so that you can have a sexual or romantic experience without subjecting yourself to the hazards of the dating world, and that's absolutely fine. But that doesn't mean that what you bring to the table -- especially when it comes to hygiene -- won't impact how good a time you have.

[giovoni]

I have tried many different ways to suggest to a client that he use mouthwash in the restroom before our session or before he come to see me and more times then not I'm met with the client taking offense and in one case cancelling the appointment for my suggestion that he may be 'dirty.' As Devon mentioned it can be very difficult to say something to someone with a strong case of bad breath wondering what the reaction will be. A successful appointment with someone walks a very fine line between having a great time on both ends and avoiding offense or hurt feelings on the way to having that great time. No matter how delicate an escort is.. how hard is it going to be to have that great time after you've had to tell someone basically that they stink too much to have fun. Having escorts have to use the bad breath excuse is indeed unfortunate but I think it's useful. Everyone, clients and escorts, should be reminded of certain things that make a successful appointment and one of those things is to take care of your hygene. As has been pointed out before brushing and flossing is most prudent in the morning or at least 8 hours before the appointment and mouthwash right before and avoiding foods that you may be familiar with causing problems for you during the time leading up to your get together can help avoid this kind of situation.

 

I'd like to assume that the escort in question here was doing the right thing by offering another appt at a reduced rate basically bending over backward to see the client again with perhaps a hope in his mind that the client was just having an unfortunate day with respect to his breath. I don't really see any contradictions there in the rebuttal and without really strong evidence to the contrary I like to try to assume that in all cases people's motives behind their actions are more toward kindness then toward intentionally hurting people. (at least that's how I thought before I started reading message boards)

 

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[Guest montrose889]

Back to the original topic of a session with Cole Ramesy. I'm submitting a review re: time with him at the end of his recent DC trip. Out of this world fantastic in regards to the sex, engaging in conversation, interested in making my time as enjoyable as possible, kissed, etc., etc.

[Chuck50]

I am not taking either side here but will take sides against those who don't think that breath is important. I am not a dentist but my job has me in front of people who open their mouths and It is something else most of the time. I feel lik the Dragon of Doom has come upon me. Why have we let ourselves be so lax's about this. I realize that europeans have a whole different focus on "Au Natural smells and sents" but this is not in it. We live in a day and age where we can have things at our finger tips, Gum, Lifesavers or even these new Listerine Pocket strips. As Devon posted about not brushing we still have many other alternatives. So take some personal accountability in your life about yourself. HUGS Chuck

[+ Lucky]

The original topic was actually Cole's response to a review. Several people have made interesing points here, particularly the escorts. A couple of times since I posted this I have noticed bad breath among people with whom I was doing business. Since those encounters were short, it was tolerable, but I am sure neither client nor escort wants to deal with it for an hour. So I agree with Chuck, keep it fresh and I won't be disappointed.

Happy fucking with Cole!

[Guest jeffOH]

>Since those encounters were short, it was tolerable,

>but I am sure neither client nor escort wants to deal with it

>for an hour.

 

If you know you're seeing an escort later in the evening, AVOID the garlic and onions. I had a two-hour session with a client the other night who was belching garlic the last hour.

 

I highly recommend Altoids. A couple of those in your mouth will take care of not only your breath, but also the person's you're kissing.

 

I have a friend who had breath so bad, I suspected it might be chronic halitosis. I just flat out told him his breath was nasty. What amazed me was that his current boyfriend had never mentioned it. It was mainly due to a high-protein supplement he was taking. He then started using a Sonicare toothbrush and he ALWAYS carries Listerine strips now. Seems to have taken care of the problem.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com