When you want escorts to go away...

axebahia · March 17, 2003

RE: From An Escort Perspective

>Just curious and a bit confused. Are you saying when you

>hired this guy you didn't have his fee with you in the hotel

>room? If the appointment had gone well you would still have

>had to go to an ATM afterwards to get the cash?

Yes, remember he was supposed to stay for 2 days, and I had seen him before so I knew he would not ask for money up front. I went to the ATM after we agreed that he would leave early, and withdrew what I thought would be necessary in advance. I am a plastic guy not a cash carrier so I seldom have large sums lying around. The only reason for the return to the ATM was because of his insisting on 100% pay for 41% of the agreed time so I needed to withdraw more.

+ *glutes* · March 17, 2003

RE: From An Escort Perspective

I'm sorry here folks, but why would you bring a stranger ( based only on unverified pictures, reviews) into your house/apartment/hotel room??

Personally I was burned once many years ago by doing this, the escort kept showing up at various, and unannounced times, 'just to visit'. He always wanted more work, or had a 'money problem' of some sort. After one of the visits I noticed a small TV had disappeared. One fellow punter told me " glutes, they are like stray cats, one you feed them they just keep coming back for more"

Now I only do 'IN' calls to their domiciles, or meet in a neutral area for (at least) the first appointment.

+ *glutes* · March 17, 2003

RE: From An Escort Perspective

I'm sorry here folks, but why would you bring a stranger ( based only on unverified pictures, reviews) into your house/apartment/hotel room??

Personally I was burned once many years ago by doing this, the escort kept showing up at various, and unannounced times, 'just to visit'. He always wanted more work, or had a 'money problem' of some sort. After one of the visits I noticed a small TV had disappeared. One fellow punter told me " glutes, they are like stray cats, one you feed them they just keep coming back for more"

Now I only do 'IN' calls to their domiciles, or meet in a neutral area for (at least) the first appointment.

axebahia · March 17, 2003

RE: From An Escort Perspective

> I'm sorry here folks, but why would you bring a stranger (

>based only on unverified pictures, reviews) into your

>house/apartment/hotel room??

I never had a problem with an escort in my home, and this was my first problem in a hotel. My only other problem was one escort who became abusive over the phone when I cancelled him after he was later, but nothing happened in the end. Two other minor problems with escorts who I later learned were documented scam artists here who ask for money up front and don't perform happened at home but probably would have happened at a hotel too.

axebahia · March 17, 2003

RE: From An Escort Perspective

> I'm sorry here folks, but why would you bring a stranger (

>based only on unverified pictures, reviews) into your

>house/apartment/hotel room??

I never had a problem with an escort in my home, and this was my first problem in a hotel. My only other problem was one escort who became abusive over the phone when I cancelled him after he was later, but nothing happened in the end. Two other minor problems with escorts who I later learned were documented scam artists here who ask for money up front and don't perform happened at home but probably would have happened at a hotel too.

guyinsf · March 17, 2003

RE: From An Escort Perspective

I've had an escort call me to solicit a repeat call, but no one has ever just shown up unannounced at my door! I'm guessing that the likelihood of that would increase depending on the kind of escort one wants to hire. I have a difficult time imagining most of the positively reviewed escorts here doing that. That being said, I can imagine one of these "I don't usually do this but I'm late on my rent" guys being likely to resort to such a thing, especially if he has a substance abuse problem. (I'm not saying that that is the kind of guys you hired, just offering a risky kind of guy to hire, in my opinion.)

As to whether it is wise to have an escort come to one's house for an initial meeting, I look at it this way: Unless I'm traveling and in a hotel, either I'm going to his place or he's going to mine. One of us is going to have to provide our address. I certainly wouldn't be interested in going to a hot tub place or a by-the-hour hotel, though I realize this option isn't a turn off for others.

I liked Franco's response above with one caveat: I don't think a client should have to ask an escort if the pictures he sends are current or if they reflect how he looks now. In fact I think that's a pretty aggressive and untrusting tone for a client to have. I wouldn't expect to rent or buy anything else based on its physical appearance only to discover it doesn't look like the marketing materials and then feel like I made the "mistake" of not confirming that what was pictured was actually what was for sale. Here it is TOTALLY the escort's responsibility to have accurate pictures. Even if the pictures are three years old, they may still be accurate. (For example, if the photo shows only someone's torso, he may very well look the same three years later.) An escort who knowingly uses old photos that are no longer representative is attempting to get business by lying. I don't think that behavior deserves to be rewarded with any kind of compensation. (I do agree, however, that if the guy sends a picture which isn't particularly revealing, it is the client's obligation to ask for another photo in order to come to a hiring decision -- or the client can decide not to hire the guy at all.)

guyinsf · March 17, 2003

RE: From An Escort Perspective

I've had an escort call me to solicit a repeat call, but no one has ever just shown up unannounced at my door! I'm guessing that the likelihood of that would increase depending on the kind of escort one wants to hire. I have a difficult time imagining most of the positively reviewed escorts here doing that. That being said, I can imagine one of these "I don't usually do this but I'm late on my rent" guys being likely to resort to such a thing, especially if he has a substance abuse problem. (I'm not saying that that is the kind of guys you hired, just offering a risky kind of guy to hire, in my opinion.)

As to whether it is wise to have an escort come to one's house for an initial meeting, I look at it this way: Unless I'm traveling and in a hotel, either I'm going to his place or he's going to mine. One of us is going to have to provide our address. I certainly wouldn't be interested in going to a hot tub place or a by-the-hour hotel, though I realize this option isn't a turn off for others.

I liked Franco's response above with one caveat: I don't think a client should have to ask an escort if the pictures he sends are current or if they reflect how he looks now. In fact I think that's a pretty aggressive and untrusting tone for a client to have. I wouldn't expect to rent or buy anything else based on its physical appearance only to discover it doesn't look like the marketing materials and then feel like I made the "mistake" of not confirming that what was pictured was actually what was for sale. Here it is TOTALLY the escort's responsibility to have accurate pictures. Even if the pictures are three years old, they may still be accurate. (For example, if the photo shows only someone's torso, he may very well look the same three years later.) An escort who knowingly uses old photos that are no longer representative is attempting to get business by lying. I don't think that behavior deserves to be rewarded with any kind of compensation. (I do agree, however, that if the guy sends a picture which isn't particularly revealing, it is the client's obligation to ask for another photo in order to come to a hiring decision -- or the client can decide not to hire the guy at all.)

axebahia · March 17, 2003

RE: From An Escort Perspective

>An

>escort who knowingly uses old photos that are no longer

>representative is attempting to get business by lying. I

>don't think that behavior deserves to be rewarded with any

>kind of compensation.

What about photos taken of the right side of the face, so a big scar on the left can't be seen, or a t-shirt over the chest or stomach masking a huge scar, or pictures that cover huge tattoos?

axebahia · March 17, 2003

RE: From An Escort Perspective

>An

>escort who knowingly uses old photos that are no longer

>representative is attempting to get business by lying. I

>don't think that behavior deserves to be rewarded with any

>kind of compensation.

What about photos taken of the right side of the face, so a big scar on the left can't be seen, or a t-shirt over the chest or stomach masking a huge scar, or pictures that cover huge tattoos?

+ *glutes* · March 17, 2003

RE: From An Escort Perspective

>I liked Franco's response above with one caveat: I don't

>think a client should have to ask an escort if the pictures he

>sends are current or if they reflect how he looks now. In

>fact I think that's a pretty aggressive and untrusting tone

>for a client to have.

I agree with Arian (see post below). And really guyinsf, we aren't suppose to ask??? You must have not opened the BAR of late and looked at the pics in massage/escorts/models sections. Most are YEARS old, and not very 'accurate'.

Was it Reagan that said "Trust, but verify"?

+ *glutes* · March 17, 2003

RE: From An Escort Perspective

>I liked Franco's response above with one caveat: I don't

>think a client should have to ask an escort if the pictures he

>sends are current or if they reflect how he looks now. In

>fact I think that's a pretty aggressive and untrusting tone

>for a client to have.

I agree with Arian (see post below). And really guyinsf, we aren't suppose to ask??? You must have not opened the BAR of late and looked at the pics in massage/escorts/models sections. Most are YEARS old, and not very 'accurate'.

Was it Reagan that said "Trust, but verify"?

guyinsf · March 18, 2003

RE: From An Escort Perspective

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I definitely don't verify when a photo was taken. Only once have I been disappointed by an escort's appearance because his looks were significantly different than the photos I saw. I do believe that face pictures need to be updated regularly, but some guys' builds really do remain consistent over many years. (I wish mine had.)

Ronald Reagan is one of the last people I would want to consult for advice, even before he was officially senile.

>>I liked Franco's response above with one caveat: I don't

>>think a client should have to ask an escort if the pictures

>he

>>sends are current or if they reflect how he looks now. In

>>fact I think that's a pretty aggressive and untrusting tone

>>for a client to have.

>

>I agree with Arian (see post below). And really guyinsf, we

>aren't suppose to ask??? You must have not opened the BAR of

>late and looked at the pics in massage/escorts/models

>sections. Most are YEARS old, and not very 'accurate'.

>Was it Reagan that said "Trust, but verify"?

guyinsf · March 18, 2003

RE: From An Escort Perspective

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I definitely don't verify when a photo was taken. Only once have I been disappointed by an escort's appearance because his looks were significantly different than the photos I saw. I do believe that face pictures need to be updated regularly, but some guys' builds really do remain consistent over many years. (I wish mine had.)

Ronald Reagan is one of the last people I would want to consult for advice, even before he was officially senile.

>>I liked Franco's response above with one caveat: I don't

>>think a client should have to ask an escort if the pictures

>he

>>sends are current or if they reflect how he looks now. In

>>fact I think that's a pretty aggressive and untrusting tone

>>for a client to have.

>

>I agree with Arian (see post below). And really guyinsf, we

>aren't suppose to ask??? You must have not opened the BAR of

>late and looked at the pics in massage/escorts/models

>sections. Most are YEARS old, and not very 'accurate'.

>Was it Reagan that said "Trust, but verify"?

TightBodyTouch · March 18, 2003

I have never been asked to go away upon meeting anyone and I have never been told that I don't look just as I do in my pictures but I will admit that I constantly fear rejection each time I knock on the door of someone who I have never met before. I don't inhibit this fear because I play any tricks in my marketing tactics or because I don't come prepared. I have just always figured, just as you all point out here, that a client has the right to change his mind or to honor his own tastes and opinions when he opens the door to look on me and find out if his attraction to me is supported by what now stands at his door. And after your posts, now I am even more scared! lol

I enthusiastically agree that if an escort's features and physical appearance are noticably different than what he's offered in his pictures and advertisements then a client is under no obligation to keep an appointment with him. Old pics are the most obvious to us all. Likewise if the escort has purposely left out important and distunguishing attributes that a client may find unattractive. For instance, I know an escort who has several tattoos which are air-brushed out of his photos. The body not matching up would bother me much more than the face not matching up. If an escort is unreasonably late without an attempt to notify an expectant client then I also agree that client shouldn't have to keep the appointment. I think an attempt to get to know your escort before ever receiving him in your home, exchanging questions that reveal his credibility and personality can help keep you out of a snug position once he gets as far as your door.

I do believe an escort should be given some sort of compensation if he is ontime and appears as he has promised to. But then we'd all let him in with no problem, wouldn't we? If the client experiences something unexpected to call him away, sudden illness making it unbearable to enjoy the encounter, or some other reason to keep him from actually going through with the scheduled appointment then hopefully both parties can agree to make it happen at another time. But I don't think that an escort should suffer the consequences of a client's poor planning or wavering tastes. Even if one has had a change of heart the escort can't possibly know that and probably cannot afford a client's irresolute behavior.

I kept a somewhat lengthy and very descriptive correspondence with an out of town client who eventually booked my time once he arrived in town. We had spoken on the phone, he had seen more than a dozen pictures of me from all angles, and he was equipped with every way to contact me. The evening we were to meet I even had his room number and showed up to his hotel wearing what he had requested. Before I entered the hotel I called his room to say I had arrived and was close but the voice I recognized told me that I had reached the wrong number. I thought he was joking since I knew it was the same man but he abruptly hung up! I continued on to the hotel lobby where I gingerly waited and checked my phone messages to verify his voice and room number, both matched. I called again and he answered to his own name but denied knowing me once again. I chalked it up to nerves or some reason out of my control since I knew I had done nothing wrong and I looked just fine. I actually took an appointment 30 minutes later at a nearby hotel and I laughed to myself thinking that he missed a good time with me. The point of my sharing this is that I would have preferred an honest explanation as to why our appointment wasn't going to happen more than my fee for the time. I certainly didn't approach him further, I felt my two calls were enough.

Not only can I ponder this issue as an escort wanting to live up to expectations but my bf, Gio, and I have also hired a fair number of men for fun and so I have swung my own door open to find out if what we ordered has rung the bell. I haven't sent anyone away, I am too worried about hurt feelings, but I have had to convince myself to push farther into the appointment to give some escorts the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes we haven't made our desicion to hire based on an escort's face alone and, for crying out loud, he came to take his clothes off anyway! But sometimes there is so much more to how an escort performs than his face and street-clothes can ever hope to project.

Of course, I'm not saying any of this has gone on for the man who posted this question. Unless I missed it there was never any clear reason given for why he wanted to turn the escort away.

TightBodyTouch · March 18, 2003

I have never been asked to go away upon meeting anyone and I have never been told that I don't look just as I do in my pictures but I will admit that I constantly fear rejection each time I knock on the door of someone who I have never met before. I don't inhibit this fear because I play any tricks in my marketing tactics or because I don't come prepared. I have just always figured, just as you all point out here, that a client has the right to change his mind or to honor his own tastes and opinions when he opens the door to look on me and find out if his attraction to me is supported by what now stands at his door. And after your posts, now I am even more scared! lol

I enthusiastically agree that if an escort's features and physical appearance are noticably different than what he's offered in his pictures and advertisements then a client is under no obligation to keep an appointment with him. Old pics are the most obvious to us all. Likewise if the escort has purposely left out important and distunguishing attributes that a client may find unattractive. For instance, I know an escort who has several tattoos which are air-brushed out of his photos. The body not matching up would bother me much more than the face not matching up. If an escort is unreasonably late without an attempt to notify an expectant client then I also agree that client shouldn't have to keep the appointment. I think an attempt to get to know your escort before ever receiving him in your home, exchanging questions that reveal his credibility and personality can help keep you out of a snug position once he gets as far as your door.

I do believe an escort should be given some sort of compensation if he is ontime and appears as he has promised to. But then we'd all let him in with no problem, wouldn't we? If the client experiences something unexpected to call him away, sudden illness making it unbearable to enjoy the encounter, or some other reason to keep him from actually going through with the scheduled appointment then hopefully both parties can agree to make it happen at another time. But I don't think that an escort should suffer the consequences of a client's poor planning or wavering tastes. Even if one has had a change of heart the escort can't possibly know that and probably cannot afford a client's irresolute behavior.

I kept a somewhat lengthy and very descriptive correspondence with an out of town client who eventually booked my time once he arrived in town. We had spoken on the phone, he had seen more than a dozen pictures of me from all angles, and he was equipped with every way to contact me. The evening we were to meet I even had his room number and showed up to his hotel wearing what he had requested. Before I entered the hotel I called his room to say I had arrived and was close but the voice I recognized told me that I had reached the wrong number. I thought he was joking since I knew it was the same man but he abruptly hung up! I continued on to the hotel lobby where I gingerly waited and checked my phone messages to verify his voice and room number, both matched. I called again and he answered to his own name but denied knowing me once again. I chalked it up to nerves or some reason out of my control since I knew I had done nothing wrong and I looked just fine. I actually took an appointment 30 minutes later at a nearby hotel and I laughed to myself thinking that he missed a good time with me. The point of my sharing this is that I would have preferred an honest explanation as to why our appointment wasn't going to happen more than my fee for the time. I certainly didn't approach him further, I felt my two calls were enough.

Not only can I ponder this issue as an escort wanting to live up to expectations but my bf, Gio, and I have also hired a fair number of men for fun and so I have swung my own door open to find out if what we ordered has rung the bell. I haven't sent anyone away, I am too worried about hurt feelings, but I have had to convince myself to push farther into the appointment to give some escorts the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes we haven't made our desicion to hire based on an escort's face alone and, for crying out loud, he came to take his clothes off anyway! But sometimes there is so much more to how an escort performs than his face and street-clothes can ever hope to project.

Of course, I'm not saying any of this has gone on for the man who posted this question. Unless I missed it there was never any clear reason given for why he wanted to turn the escort away.

woodlawn · March 18, 2003

There are no laws or rules governing a transaction with a prostitute other than what the prostitute and john agree upon. If the prostitute expects to receive a cancellation fee in the event the date is cancelled for any reason (or no reason), then the 'honorable' (not to mention 'honest') thing for him to do is mention that to the john when making the date so the john can decide if that is something he is comfortable with. It isn't very 'honorable' to add extra conditions to a bargain after it has already been made, much less to make threats in order to enforce those conditions.

woodlawn · March 18, 2003

There are no laws or rules governing a transaction with a prostitute other than what the prostitute and john agree upon. If the prostitute expects to receive a cancellation fee in the event the date is cancelled for any reason (or no reason), then the 'honorable' (not to mention 'honest') thing for him to do is mention that to the john when making the date so the john can decide if that is something he is comfortable with. It isn't very 'honorable' to add extra conditions to a bargain after it has already been made, much less to make threats in order to enforce those conditions.

FrancoDiSantisxxx · March 18, 2003

Sigh

>There are no laws or rules governing a transaction with a

>prostitute other than what the prostitute and john agree upon.

> If the prostitute expects to receive a cancellation fee in

>the event the date is cancelled for any reason (or no reason),

>then the 'honorable' (not to mention 'honest') thing for him

>to do is mention that to the john when making the date so the

>john can decide if that is something he is comfortable with.

While your sentence does not make sense (the "john" having made an agreement then decides to break it for no reaons, and thus should suffer no consequences, while the "prostitute" having made an agreement and kept, should suffer consequences for no reason), however, in keeping with the spirit of your point:

Since there are no laws or rules other than what is agreed, the "John" should disclose to the "prostitute" that he may cancel "for any reason" then the "John" should be quite comfortable with most "prostitute" being unwilling or unable to want to make any kind of agreement with him.

FrancoDiSantisxxx · March 18, 2003