Chicago Str8 acting College Guy type??

[Rick Munroe]

>ncm, some folks here know what you are talking about - no

>need to have to defend yourself.

 

You're wrong. EVERYONE here knows what he was talking about. That is so not the point (and I won't repeat the point because it's already been clearly stated by tedbear & taylorky). But you're also right, in that ncm2169 shouldn't be defensive because he wasn't being attacked; his choice of words was.

[Rick Munroe]

>Third, I said earlier that "str8-acting" is a term for a

>"type" which many here accept and understand. I just did a

>quick word search for "str8-acting" and found 147 results,

>many (if not all) of which are contained in reviews of

>escorts.

 

OK, there's no reason to continue this discussion because your mind is totally closed to seeing any other side of this issue but your own. For one thing, the fact that others use this expression does not make it "right" not does the fact that a few others accept its use. That's a real Archie Bunker mentality. Of course others use it...no one said you invented the phrase. They and you just need to be educated. Yes, it's been used here before and this is also certainly not the first time we've had a discussion about it (I've participated on at least 2 other occasions). I hate to use the race card but it's always a good example: saying a masculine gay man is "straight acting" is just like saying a well-educated black man is "passing for white." You can't see the bigotry & ignorance that's inherent in those phrases? All you can tell us is that "straight acting" been used here 147 times in the past??

 

Let me try to state it clearly & see if you can give me a simple answer (since you and the others who agree with you decided to ignore it when taylorky said it): Do you really and truly think that "gay" means effeminate and "straight" means masculine? Also...do you even know many (or any) gay people (in real life, not just in the message center)? I don't know anything about your background but it's usually guys in the closet who have shame about being gay (that's why they're in it).

[Rick Munroe]

(fixing a typo)

 

>the fact that others use this

>expression does not make it "right" nor does the fact that a

>few others accept its use.

[Guest ncm2169]

Rick, only you could suck me back into this discussion. Your oral skills are truly amazing. :9

 

As you observed, I didn't invent the term str8-acting; as previously noted, I simply used it to describe a "type". It may mean different things to different people, but the fact that it has been used here 147 times to describe escorts is ample evidence that it means something to that many people. It's clear you don't like that, but the numbers are the numbers in this instance.

 

Now, when I used the term, did I mean anything judgmental or perjorative by it? Of course not. Do I think masculine = straight and effeminate = gay? No. (I don't mean that as a terse "no", I just see no need to elaborate on that fact that I don't think masculine = straight and effeminate = gay). Do I know any gay guys? Yes, many. Do I have any gay friends? Yes, several. Do any of them have effeminate mannerisms? Some do, some don't. Do I have any lesbian friends? Yes. Am I bi? Yes. Am I in the closet? Yes. Will I describe my dick to you? Not until I'm in your bedroom. ;-)

 

Rather than postulating or dishing about why others use the term str8-acting, let me tell you one reason why I used it in my post. As an adolescent discovering my sexuality, I found I was incredibly sexually aroused by a few buddies who were str8 (masculine, they regularly fucked chix...get the pic?). In fact, I ended up giving a few of them hand jobs and blow jobs. (Aha! you say, they really weren't str8 after all! Who's to know? At least I thought they were and that's all that counts for me).

 

As a client, it is that fantasy that I am in part trying to re-create. Given my preferences for escort behavior in the bedroom, I have no illusions that I'm hiring anything other than a gay guy (well, maybe bi). But a large part of who and why I'm hiring is to pursue that fantasy that lives on for me. Being politically correct is the last thing from my mind at that point.

 

ALL of that said, I'll readily concede that terms and labels are dicey (maybe imprecise is a more delicate word). Unfortunate stereotypes abound in our society. I hear you when you play the race card. I'm sure it must be frustrating when someone says, "Rick Munroe doesn't LOOK like a dumb whore." And, what really pisses me off is when someone tells me, "Gee, you sure don't ACT like you're from Minnesota."

 

Sorry if that last segue into levity is deemed inappropriate by anyone here. I DO NOT mean to mock anyone or make light of anyone's deeply-held feelings. My point, very simply, is that I care far more about what's in a person's heart than what comes out of his/her mouth.

 

Remember, even Archie Bunker had a good heart. :o

[+ Lucky]

"even Archie Bunker had a good heart"

 

yeah, and look what happened to him!

[Rick Munroe]

>Remember, even Archie Bunker had a good heart.

 

But, unfortunately, All in the Family sucked when it was changed to Archie Bunker's Place and he became "nice." Blech. :-P

 

I appreciate your thoughtful response & I'll probably have more to add later, but right now I'm off to help Derek tag team a submissive bottom. A gay-acting one.

[woodlawn]

ncm, I think it's ludicrous that you are accused of being "judgmental," "offensive," "close-minded" and so on by the same people who come up with garbage like saying that people who don't want to proclaim their gay-ness from every rooftop are "self-hating" or "ashamed of being gay." What could possibly be more "judgmental" or "close-minded" than that? Nothing. But they go on and on in that vein anyway.

 

We must just get used to the idea that although no one has ever been elected to define what being gay means or to decide what words gay men may use in describing themselves or other gay men, there are some who ACT as though they were elected to do exactly that. Since the truth is that they represent absolutely no one other than themselves, we are free to ignore the restrictions they would place on us. Thank goodness.

[Rick Munroe]

This is a very funny post, Woodlawn. I never appreciated your sense of humor before! :7

[woodlawn]

>This is a very funny post, Woodlawn. I never appreciated

>your sense of humor before!

 

Well, some people bring it out in me. Especially the ones who like to pretend that they've been chosen to set standards for how gay men should behave and what they should say and "educating" anyone who doesn't agree with them. There is nothing that makes me laugh quite so much as people like that.

[alanalt]

Sorry to continue the hijack, ncm, but I just can't resist...

 

>Please try to understand that

>the term you used is offensive to many gay men (and all gay

>men should find it offensive).

 

You find it offensive, fine! Others find it offensive, fine! That's your, and their, right. But don't tell me as a gay man what 'I' should find or not find offensive. We're not clones! We don't all have to believe the same thing, support the same party, pray (or not) to the same God. Personally, I found neither ncm's original message nor taylorky's response offensive but signs of a good healthy discussion and representing divergent views. But then they weren't telling what I had to believe in either.

 

Personally, I don't mind the arguments on this board but I am sick beyond belief of the all-too-common attitude that 'My view is the only possible correct view and if you don't agree, you're an idiot and going straight to hell (metaphorically speaking)!'

 

Of course, that's just MY ;-) opinion...

 

We now return to this already well-hijacked thread...

 

Alan

[KY_TOP]

Now back to our Regularly Scheduled Program

 

I too will be visiting Chicago in a few weeks. So, getting back to the original intent... How about some 21-25 "Masculine" Chicago Escorts. The regular guy I use to see is no longer available, need someone to take his place. So I second giving ncm his thread back and tell us about the boys!

[Guest ncm2169]

Hey Bud!! Maybe it's time for me to finally send those chocolates?;-)

[Guest DevonSFescort]

Make sure he leaves his cell phone on during the appointment. No escort's str8 act is complete without that authentic little detail. :+

[bluenix]

To Recap -

 

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[Flower]

[font color = "green"

] Rick, you are sooooo sexi when you talk that way

 

Actually, for whatever it is worth, your more serious posts really demonstrate what an intelligent person and deep thinker you really are. When you have posted on issues re politics, gay causes and other things you find important, I've always been impressed at how well you say it and how quickly you get to the point...and get your point across. So keep it up KID }(

 

(Oh, yeah--your funny posts are good too:)

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

ncm, I feel badly for you that your thread has been hijacked this way. Although I'll admit that I don't care for the label "straight acting" either, mainly due to the reasons others have stated, I think people are getting on your case unfairly.

 

It's obvious to me that you meant no offense. And while I agree in principle what many are saying here, I think they are being a little extreme in making their point. Try not to let anyone get you into a defensive and endless tit-for-tat. My advice is to brush it off.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>Please try to understand that

>the term you used is offensive to many gay men (and all gay

>men should find it offensive).

>

>It implies that there is a negative about being gay-acting

>(WHATEVER that means).

 

On the other hand, it could merely imply a positive attitude about the earliest objects of one's desire. Most of us didn't grow up surrounded by gay men, and what few were around were usually closeted. And when we were kids almost none of our peers were openly gay. In other words, our earliest sexual feelings were directed at straight guys (or at the very least guys we thought were straight). Couldn't a desire for "str8-acting" guys merely be a belated wish-fulfillment -- to get the guy you originally wanted? (Actually, when I hire, I don't stop there; a slight majority of the escorts I've hired have been straight, and I had a great time with them.)

 

That said, when guys describe themselves as "str8-acting" it's always a crap shoot as to what criteria they're using to make that assessment about themselves. In other words, you might get a big ol' queen. (But the same is true of men who call themselves "masculine," and there are people who would protest the use of that term on the grounds that gender is a construct, etc.)

[VaHawk]

Yeah, yet another thread hijacked, but not nearly as bad as some of the others. I wonder if they should open another forum for hopelessly hijacked threads, where the thread could spin out of control forever on any topic whatsoever. The hijacking on this board, imo, hasn't gotten totally out of control. Why? I don't know, unless some feel they have to chime in on every thread, whether what they have to say has anything to do with the topic or not.

 

Prime example: an innocent post by Bastian announcing himself to prospective clients, which is supposed to be one of the functions on the board. Based on a photo alone, all the pc police had to come out and take over the thread with racist accusations and political bs, and now his thread is in the politics forum. Now how damn ridiculous is that? :-(

 

Oh well, my apologies, as I guess this post too, just continues the unraveling.

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

>>My post made a reference to a "type", a type which most

>>readers and posters here understand.

>

>I'm sure most readers here understand "nigger" "hebe" and

>"chink". Let's use those words, too, because we all

>understand.

 

The guy posted an innocent inquiry about a type of escort he's looking for. Granted, the use of "straight acting" can be annoying. And I too think the term "masculine" is definitely more appropriate.

 

But to put it bluntly, to compare using the phrase "straight acting" to using the terms "nigger" or "chink" is totally unfair and beyond stupid, IMUHO.

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

>OK, there's no reason to continue this discussion because your

>mind is totally closed to seeing any other side of this issue

>but your own.

 

Funny. I was thinking the very same thing when reading each of your posts within this thread. Rick, you have blown this thing way out of proportion. You're the one that needs to let it go.

 

 

(And I love the irony that you can be so damn politically correct regarding him using the term "straight acting" when you constantly refer to yourself as just a "dumb whore.")

[Rick Munroe]

>your more serious posts

>really demonstrate what an intelligent person and deep thinker

>you really are.

 

Thanks, Flower. I've always felt the same about you and your posts. I hope you never stop posting (as long as I'm still here, anyway).

[Guest jeffOH]

ncm2169

 

Well, I certainly understood what you meant and wasn't the least bit offended. I would have said masculine, but you got your point across. I suggest that in the future instead of "str8-acting" you say you're looking for no drag queen eyebrows, no campy behavior(you know, "girl" and girlfriend" queerspeak!), no finger-snapping, no lisping, no squealing(unless given a REAL reason }( ), no swishing when walking, in other words, an escort who MOST of the world would assume to be straight. As someone else said on here, that can be part of a fantasy. The only guys I've ever hired more than once were guys who didn't set off my gaydar.;-)

 

JEFF jeff4men@hotmail.com

[Guest jeffOH]

ncm2169

 

Well, I certainly understood what you meant and wasn't the least bit offended. I would have said masculine, but you got your point across. I suggest that in the future instead of "str8-acting" you say you're looking for no drag queen eyebrows, no campy behavior(you know, "girl" and girlfriend" queerspeak!), no finger-snapping, no lisping, no squealing(unless given a REAL reason }( ), no swishing when walking, in other words, an escort who MOST of the world would assume to be straight. As someone else said on here, that can be part of a fantasy. The only guys I've ever hired more than once were guys who didn't set off my gaydar.;-)

 

JEFF jeff4men@hotmail.com

[Rick Munroe]

>no drag queen

>eyebrows, no campy behavior(you know, "girl" and girlfriend"

>queerspeak!), no finger-snapping, no lisping, no

>squealing(unless given a REAL reason }( ), no swishing when

>walking, in other words, an escort who MOST of the world would

>assume to be straight.

 

Jeff, instead of accepting that this might be true, why not try to rid the world of these stereotypes? I'm a masculine guy & I sure as hell don't want anyone to ever tell me I'm "straight-acting" (I don't like vaginas). What I find really amazing about this board (this isn't directed to Jeff) is that recently, some of you said you were embarrassed & disgusted by flamboyant displays at Gay Pride parades, and now some of you see nothing wrong with the use of "straight-acting" to describe masculine behavior. I'm not telling anyone what words to use (I was not one of the posters above who said what ncm or anyone should have said; I merely gave my opinion of what I felt was wrong with it) or telling anyone how they should feel about being gay or about gay people in general. I guess I'm just kind of amazed that so much self-hate does still exist in our community. My eyes have really been opened here.

[Rick Munroe]

>no drag queen

>eyebrows, no campy behavior(you know, "girl" and girlfriend"

>queerspeak!), no finger-snapping, no lisping, no

>squealing(unless given a REAL reason }( ), no swishing when

>walking, in other words, an escort who MOST of the world would

>assume to be straight.

 

Jeff, instead of accepting that this might be true, why not try to rid the world of these stereotypes? I'm a masculine guy & I sure as hell don't want anyone to ever tell me I'm "straight-acting" (I don't like vaginas). What I find really amazing about this board (this isn't directed to Jeff) is that recently, some of you said you were embarrassed & disgusted by flamboyant displays at Gay Pride parades, and now some of you see nothing wrong with the use of "straight-acting" to describe masculine behavior. I'm not telling anyone what words to use (I was not one of the posters above who said what ncm or anyone should have said; I merely gave my opinion of what I felt was wrong with it) or telling anyone how they should feel about being gay or about gay people in general. I guess I'm just kind of amazed that so much self-hate does still exist in our community. My eyes have really been opened here.