Fin Fang Foom and the Kristian/Houston Email

[Chuck50]

>Trite though it may be for cynics, some of whom lurk here x(

>, the benefit of the doubt is still applied by the

>dispassionate (although often unwashed) majority. :* A good

>reputation enhances that instinct for generosity. :7

>Unless these guys (K & A) TOTALLY scammed this site, we owe

>them our prayers, our good wishes, and, yes, maybe even some

>of our money. :+

 

 

Thank you for caring HUGS Chuck

[Guest fukamarine]

(Witness what happened to the

>unfortunate pair who got stopped at the pay phone in

>Virginia while driving a white van. They hadn't done

>anything wrong, other than being undocumented, and are being

>deported.)

 

If a person is in the country illegally, they deserve to be deported. If this was not the penalty, then we might just as well dispense with the immigration service and let everybody in. Then we could stand by and watch them take employment at 50% of the rate we citizens expect to be paid.

 

 

fukamarine

[Guest fukamarine]

>Trite though it may be for cynics, some of whom lurk here x(

>, the benefit of the doubt is still applied by the

>dispassionate (although often unwashed) majority. :* A good

>reputation enhances that instinct for generosity. :7

>Unless these guys (K & A) TOTALLY scammed this site, we owe

>them our prayers, our good wishes, and, yes, maybe even some

>of our money. :+

 

Oh I quite agree with you. Now if I could just get the visual out of my mind of the FBI invading the home with rifles, I'd feel a lot more confortable about all this. What ever happened to the revolver they seem to favor in real life?

 

fukamarine

[Guest fukamarine]

RE: Ever Hear Of Kinko's?

 

>

>>They may have taken his 3 computers, but he found another

>>one quickly enough.

 

Even stupid little me can concede that they may have a friend whose computer they were allowed to use.

 

But you failed to esplain the rifles vs revolver issue.

 

>However, after spending last night with two of the Twinks,

>another escort, and three friends (watching a movie), I went

>on line to check out the board and finally read the Jesse

>Tyler comments on two threads in two conferences. I read out

>loud to the group a sample of the first 16 posts from one

>thread and the first 8 from the second thread.

 

Slow night eh?

 

>It truly astounded everyone at my home, who ranged in age

>from 20 to 33 (with me as the oldest at 36), at the extent

>to which people felt it necessary to comment

 

They must be totally new to the world of cyberspace and message boards and chat rooms.

 

>I do feel that all of us, myself included, should sometimes

>sit back and consider whether we genuinely have something to

>add on a topic which is of use, informational or otherwise,

>to the poster or to this community, even if it may only be

>to provide humor or diversion. I think this would make this

>board a much more pleasant and, ultimately, productive

>forum.

 

Methinks you have been spending too much time with "I Am Flower :-) "

 

fukamarine

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

24

 

>HooBoy’s business and a few unfortunate guys’ obsession, but

>for many of us it’s just a laugh and a smile.

>

>You found it interesting enough to read [font color = "red"

>size = "6"]24[/font] posts to your “astounded” little crew.

>Enough said.

 

I find very little of interest in most of these threads. Often, I may chose to view a thread and I often skip over the comments of many of the posters as they are predictable and tiresome.

 

Given the posts, the number of views, the number of responses, you will note this appears to be true of the majority of the people. Given the hits which the reviews receive over this Board, I think that reflects that most rarely find a smile or a laugh here.

 

If it were not for Les' frequent photographic contributions, I doubt the Twinks would have expressed even the little interest they did.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

RE: Ever Hear Of Kinko's?

 

>Slow night eh?

 

Monday and Tuesdays are always the nights we get together. Either we decline the work or reschedule, as the case may be.

 

I am sure to you all escorts are greedy, but rest assured this is not the case.

>

>>It truly astounded everyone at my home, who ranged in age

>>from 20 to 33 (with me as the oldest at 36), at the extent

>>to which people felt it necessary to comment

>

>They must be totally new to the world of cyberspace and

>message boards and chat rooms.

 

No, they tend to find the chat rooms on AOL equally tedious and annoying. They also do not yet have the patience I have learned to exhibit with others.

 

>>I do feel that all of us, myself included, should sometimes

>>sit back and consider whether we genuinely have something to

>>add on a topic which is of use, informational or otherwise,

>>to the poster or to this community, even if it may only be

>>to provide humor or diversion. I think this would make this

>>board a much more pleasant and, ultimately, productive

>>forum.

>

>Methinks you have been spending too much time with "I Am

>Flower :-) "

>

>fukamarine

 

As I find myself saying over and over again, give someone enough rope....

[Guest fukamarine]

RE: 24

 

>I find very little of interest in most of these threads.

 

Thank God for that 'cause when you do find one that interests you, you tend to pontificate for pages & pages. Don't know how much more of that I could take.

 

>Often, I may chose to view a thread and I often skip over

>the comments of many of the posters as they are predictable

>and tiresome.

 

Guess you must skip over your own comments as well.

 

>If it were not for Les' frequent photographic contributions,

>I doubt the Twinks would have expressed even the little

>interest they did.

 

It never fails to amuse and amaze me that you think we are interested in the opinions of your fucking twinks - which are no doubt a figment of your imagination.

 

fukamarine

[Flower]

> If I wanted to be mean, I would have chosen to be vicious. I'm

>better at "vicious" than I am "mean".

>Honestly yours,

>FFF

 

The sad part about it, is that he is proud of it

 

Anyway, save the thought FFF -- a befitting epitaph for a tombstone, don't ya think?

 

I am Flower :*

[Guest jaws]

Please remember that the fbi busted several people over a prostitution ring in New Orleans about two or three months ago and there was a huge flap over it. Many people and politicians wondered what they were doing going after prostitutes instead of terrorists. Lets see, prostitution or terrorists? Which do we prefer our "defenders" go after? Kristian or Osama? Hmmmm. I am not saying that Kristian was part of a "ring" but he did advertise himself and they(the fbi pigs) could have caught on to it and wanted themselves to look busy and fruitful.)

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>they could find

>themselves deported under our newly draconian immigration

>laws.

 

You mean those new laws that try to enforce immigration laws and try to keep people from terrorist-sponsoring nations out of our country - and YOUR neighborhood?

 

 

>Originally, you had to have committed a fairly

>heinous offense to get deported, but these days the law has

>been amended to classify things that are seemingly

>inconsequential as "aggravated felonies" under the

>Immigration Act, requiring deportation (no flexibility at

>all in this).

 

That's right, we should accept with open arms people who are not citizens who come to our country and the commit crimes. I think it clear to everyone you're a Democrat.

 

 

>(Witness what happened to the

>unfortunate pair who got stopped at the pay phone in

>Virginia while driving a white van. They hadn't done

>anything wrong, other than being undocumented, and are being

>deported.)

 

Right, because the LAW says you can't stay here and be undocumented. There's this pesky thing we've got here in our country called the "law". I guess you think it shouldn't apply to ILLEGAL immigrants. Until, of course, they started moving in next door to you and start committing crimes. Maybe THEN you'll see the logic of the law.

 

 

 

 

>And FFF, lay off about the anti-depressants. If you've never

>been clinically depressed, you have no idea what it's like,

>and you've demonstrated that you don't understand that

>depression is a physical disease which requires treatement

>with medication.

 

I knew I'd hit a nerve with someone on this one. If you reread what I said, my complaint was with DOCTORS and not Kristian. I fully realize that there is such a thing as clinical depression. However, I also know that there's something called "being depressed because my life stinks at the moment". It is this SECOND type that I was addressing. We have ALL gone through periods where we feel like shit and we think the sun is never going to shine again and we just soldiered through and got our acts together. Unfortunately, in this day and age, too many doctors want to dispense pills to make us feel better about the train wrecks that are masquerading as our lives. So, instead of truly addressing the root causes of our depression (i.e. bad choices and why we make them) we continue on in the same vein but don't feel so bad that our life sucks moose cock because the helpful doctor has given us a pill (which wrecks my our sex life).

 

I believe we should take responsibility for our actions and learn to live with the consequences without any keening or whining. "Doctor, I've chosen a complete asshole for a boyfriend. He's abusive, says he doesn't love me and makes my life totally miserable." "I'm so sorry to here that. Let me write you a prescription for something that will help you then." Like I said before, most people need to just suck it up and get on with their lives. I know there are people who are clinically depressed and these drugs are a blessing, but they are a tiny minority. It's like the majority fat people who say they can't lose that 100lbs because it's something physical and blah blah blah. No, you're a big fat lazy fuck who doesn't want to get your fat ass off the couch, change your diet and (gasp!) exercise. Instead, and here's the nexis, many of you simply have your doctor write you a prescription to help you not feel so depressed about being a big fat lazy fuck. And guess what happens? You get to be even a FATTER lazy fuck but that's ok because you're taking those pills that make you feel better about it.

 

 

>"Sucking it up" isn't a cure

 

IMHO, it's the #1 cure for the majority of people.

 

Do us all a favor, if you want to respond, please address my point about the people who SHOULDN'T be on anti-depressants since that's who I'm targeting. You don't need to lecture me on clinical depression. I know all about it, but I don't think you want to hear me talk about my mother and her depression. If I do, you really WILL need a pill.

 

Anti-depressantly yours,

 

FFF

[Chuck50]

>Oh I quite agree with you. Now if I could just get the

>visual out of my mind of the FBI invading the home with

>rifles, I'd feel a lot more confortable about all this. What

>ever happened to the revolver they seem to favor in real

>life?

 

Don't you know Rifles are more intimidating, just look at the sniper in the DC area. (AND THAT IS NO LAUGHING MATTER) Hugs Chuck

[+ bigjoey]

RE: Ever Hear Of Kinko's?

 

what jesse tyler threads? are these old classic threads or are they new ones?

[+ Unicorn]

>On October 17th at 10:00 am, I was arrested at my home ,

>knocked down

>to the ground, by five men with rifles from the FBI.

>Apparently, a letter was sent to them accusing me of a major

>offense.

 

I guess it would have to be a major offense if they felt they had to rapidly barge into your place with five heavily armed men and knock you to the ground. It would probably be in the papers,too. Am I the only guy here who thinks this story is... well... shall I say fabricated? Or are we all just entranced with Kristian's beauty? And no, just because you're an escort doesn't mean you have to spend all your money right after you earn it. It just takes someone with the intellect of Homer Simpson to be unable to pay any attention to money management, and to spend his money like a fool.

If Kristian really wants people to send money, he should be able to provide more specifics. If I see references to police documents (arrests reports, etc., which are, after all, a matter of public record), I'll be among the first to admit my suspicions are unfounded and submit a donation.

[ddarko]

>>they could find

>>themselves deported under our newly draconian immigration

>>laws.

>

>You mean those new laws that try to enforce immigration laws

>and try to keep people from terrorist-sponsoring nations out

>of our country - and YOUR neighborhood?

>

 

No, that's not what Trilingual meant. He is talking about the general punitive turn the immigration law has taken in the last few years, as is clear when he wrote "[t]hings have been getting bad for non-citizens in the past few years..." You should stop putting words in people's mouths.

 

>>Originally, you had to have committed a fairly

>>heinous offense to get deported, but these days the law has

>>been amended to classify things that are seemingly

>>inconsequential as "aggravated felonies" under the

>>Immigration Act, requiring deportation (no flexibility at

>>all in this).

>

>That's right, we should accept with open arms people who are

>not citizens who come to our country and the commit crimes.

>I think it clear to everyone you're a Democrat.

>

 

First, there's the cheap shot against Democrats. I could say that anyone who makes a stupid, simple-minded comment like that must be a Republican but I won't.

 

Second, some people believe that automatic deportation for any conviction, no matter how trivial, is too harsh. How is that the same as throwing the prison gates open? I think the Rockefeller-era drug laws in New York State and three strikes laws that give out 30 year sentences for cocaine possession or shoplifting are wrong. That does not mean I support passing out vials of crack in the classroom or looting Barneys.

 

>>(Witness what happened to the

>>unfortunate pair who got stopped at the pay phone in

>>Virginia while driving a white van. They hadn't done

>>anything wrong, other than being undocumented, and are being

>>deported.)

>

>Right, because the LAW says you can't stay here and be

>undocumented. There's this pesky thing we've got here in our

>country called the "law". I guess you think it shouldn't

>apply to ILLEGAL immigrants. Until, of course, they started

>moving in next door to you and start committing crimes.

>Maybe THEN you'll see the logic of the law.

>

 

Sigh. So if a man who lives in one of the 14 states where sodomy is illegal gets arrested for having sex with his boyfriend and I hear about it on the news and think "how unfair" then I endorse lawlessness because the LAW in his state says it's illegal, end of discussion? Newsflash, FFF: sometimes, people who think a law is unjust aren't happy to see it enforced. That doesn't make them anarchists.

 

And how did your idea that illegal immigrants should be deported because they are illegal turn into illegal immigrants should be deported because they are going to start committing other crimes? A little xenophobic, aren't we?

[Guest jaws]

There are a few words in Kristian's first email that really touched me and reminded me of some words that were spoken to me once by someone very dear to me. That is why I am so responsive to his ordeal. That being said I, too, wonder why I have not been able to pull anything up at the Houston Chronicle site(chron.com) about any of this. One would think that if a bunch of fbi pigs converged on someone in that manner then there would at least be a small mention about it in the paper. The fact that Kristian is rather vague about some of the details is also worth noting though any good lawyer worth his oats would not allow any client to discuss any facts of the case with anyone especially in a chat room.

 

I must say that though his looks and seemingly great personality are very charming, following are the reasons that I am so enamored with his situation: As I said his words in his first email to the site touched me. Secondly I think that I would much rather be remembered as someone who reached out to someone whom I thought was in peril and was scammed, than someone who saw another who might be in peril and did nothing. If Kristian is truly in peril and is feeling lost then I have done the right thing. If Kristian is a con artist and scamming me(us) then fine. I will still have done the right thing. Finally if his situation is as he described it to me in an email then I can relate. Details belong to no one but me but I can relate to his despondency to this day.

 

I can not speak for anyone else but myself. I am not blindly going in to this. I am sure only of my own intentions and motives.

 

All of these things said I do believe Kristian. If I am burned then, well, they are my own burns.

 

Venting, JAW

[ddarko]

How's the view from that soapbox of yours?

 

First you say you're complaining only about doctors who prescribe unnecessary medication then you post a 1000-word harangue informing us of your belief that people "should take responsibility for our actions and learn to live with the consequences without any keening or whining." I've followed your advice to read your posts and it's clear that your beef is not only with doctors but the "big fat lazy fuck" who goes to them. At least have the integrity to own up to your beliefs.

 

And where does a guy who I assume has paid for escorts and therefore committed a crime get off being so righteous about other people who break the law? Your hypocrisy is amusing, to say the least.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>First, there's the cheap shot against Democrats. I could

>say that anyone who makes a stupid, simple-minded comment

>like that must be a Republican but I won't.

 

This is the #1 tactic that liberal Democrats use: instead of defending their position, they merely call the other side "stupid and simple-minded" and call it a day. So predictable.

 

 

>Second, some people believe that automatic deportation for

>any conviction, no matter how trivial, is too harsh. How is

>that the same as throwing the prison gates open? I think

>the Rockefeller-era drug laws in New York State and three

>strikes laws that give out 30 year sentences for cocaine

>possession or shoplifting are wrong. That does not mean I

>support passing out vials of crack in the classroom or

>looting Barneys.

 

Comparing the immigration laws with drugs sentencing is a tortured comparison at best. I fail to see the logical nexis. Would you like to explain how someone slipping over the Mexican border is germane to someone selling crack in Washington Square?

 

 

>>>(Witness what happened to the

>>>unfortunate pair who got stopped at the pay phone in

>>>Virginia while driving a white van. They hadn't done

>>>anything wrong, other than being undocumented, and are being

>>>deported.)

 

It's called "being at the wrong place at the wrong time". Furthermore: they "hadn't done anything wrong, other than being undocumented"?!?!? You mean they hadn't done anything other than entering our country ILLEGALLY! Oh, yeah, THAT.

 

 

>Sigh. So if a man who lives in one of the 14 states where

>sodomy is illegal gets arrested for having sex with his

>boyfriend and I hear about it on the news and think "how

>unfair" then I endorse lawlessness because the LAW in his

>state says it's illegal, end of discussion? Newsflash, FFF:

>sometimes, people who think a law is unjust aren't happy to

>see it enforced. That doesn't make them anarchists.

 

Refresh my memory, where did I call (or infer) them "anarchists"?

 

 

>And how did your idea that illegal immigrants should be

>deported because they are illegal turn into illegal

>immigrants should be deported because they are going to

>start committing other crimes? A little xenophobic, aren't

>we?

 

They've already shown contempt for our laws by BREAKING THEM to enter our country. It doesn't mean the next step is to rob a liquor store, however, they're not off to a great start.

 

Responsively yours,

 

FFF

[ddarko]

>>First, there's the cheap shot against Democrats. I could

>>say that anyone who makes a stupid, simple-minded comment

>>like that must be a Republican but I won't.

>

>This is the #1 tactic that liberal Democrats use: instead of

>defending their position, they merely call the other side

>"stupid and simple-minded" and call it a day. So

>predictable.

>

 

For a guy who talks about taking personal responsibility, you spend a lot of time moaning and groaning about how put upon you are by the world.

 

Maybe you didn't notice, but you're the one that used this tactic by equating a Democrat with a person who supports crime. I meant what I said and I wasn't being sarcastic. I don't think all Republicans are stupid or simple-minded. I was using it as an example of how unfair it was of you to use an ad hominem attack like that.

 

>

>>Second, some people believe that automatic deportation for

>>any conviction, no matter how trivial, is too harsh. How is

>>that the same as throwing the prison gates open? I think

>>the Rockefeller-era drug laws in New York State and three

>>strikes laws that give out 30 year sentences for cocaine

>>possession or shoplifting are wrong. That does not mean I

>>support passing out vials of crack in the classroom or

>>looting Barneys.

>

>Comparing the immigration laws with drugs sentencing is a

>tortured comparison at best. I fail to see the logical

>nexis. Would you like to explain how someone slipping over

>the Mexican border is germane to someone selling crack in

>Washington Square?

>

 

Some people believe the punishment should fit the crime and don't believe deportation for shoplifting meets that test. That's the "logical nexus."

 

>

>>>>(Witness what happened to the

>>>>unfortunate pair who got stopped at the pay phone in

>>>>Virginia while driving a white van. They hadn't done

>>>>anything wrong, other than being undocumented, and are being

>>>>deported.)

>

>It's called "being at the wrong place at the wrong time".

>Furthermore: they "hadn't done anything wrong, other than

>being undocumented"?!?!? You mean they hadn't done anything

>other than entering our country ILLEGALLY! Oh, yeah, THAT.

>

>

>>Sigh. So if a man who lives in one of the 14 states where

>>sodomy is illegal gets arrested for having sex with his

>>boyfriend and I hear about it on the news and think "how

>>unfair" then I endorse lawlessness because the LAW in his

>>state says it's illegal, end of discussion? Newsflash, FFF:

>>sometimes, people who think a law is unjust aren't happy to

>>see it enforced. That doesn't make them anarchists.

>

>Refresh my memory, where did I call (or infer) them

>"anarchists"?

>

 

FFF, you should post your all of your previous comments instead of selectively editing them. You wrote: "There's this pesky thing we've got here in our country called the "law". I guess you think it shouldn't apply to ILLEGAL immigrants." My remark still stands: Trilingual's point was not that the immigration law shouldn't be enforced, as you implied, but that it was unjust. Two entirely different things which you failed to see.

 

>

>>And how did your idea that illegal immigrants should be

>>deported because they are illegal turn into illegal

>>immigrants should be deported because they are going to

>>start committing other crimes? A little xenophobic, aren't

>>we?

>

>They've already shown contempt for our laws by BREAKING THEM

>to enter our country. It doesn't mean the next step is to

>rob a liquor store, however, they're not off to a great

>start.

>

 

You can't have it both ways. Many people on the board have broken the law by soliciting a prostitute; have they all "shown contempt for our laws" that makes it more likely they're going to start robbing houses? To borrow a term from the drug arena, I don't believe entering the country without a visa to look for work is a "gateway" crime that will lead to other crimes.

[Top8]

I'm sure everyone has formed an opinion of the situation even though we don't know all of the details. Just wanted to share some of my feelings. I spoke with Kristian yesterday, Wednesday, for about 1 1/2 hours, it was very emotional. He shared a lot of things, not everything, things that maybe he'll share with all of us at a later date. I talked to Athan today, he was down in the dumps but at the same time he showed some poise and strength during our conversation. I'm not here to sway opinions but I do know Kristian pretty well. I've spent about 3 weeks with him this year, at different times and places, so I'm sure I'm partial, and yes I am enamored by his looks, but also I think I'm a good judge of character. During that time I got to see a lot of good things that he did for family and friends. I certainly believe in Kristian, I will back him and help him any way I can. He certainly is no angel, but if nothing else, please wish K & A the best, and let's keep them in our prayers. Thanks!!

[+ Unicorn]

> Secondly I

>think that I would much rather be remembered as someone who

>reached out to someone whom I thought was in peril and was

>scammed, than someone who saw another who might be in peril

>and did nothing. If Kristian is truly in peril and is

>feeling lost then I have done the right thing. If Kristian

>is a con artist and scamming me(us) then fine. I will still

>have done the right thing.

 

Well, there are many places one can send one's money to help people in peril: CARE, Childreach, Feed the Children, Oxfam, etc... I disagree that if you send a scam artist money, that you've "done the right thing." You've just encouraged a scam artist. Or is Kristian more deserving of money because he's more handsome than a starving child in Somalia? If five FBI agents really had to barge in heavily armed, they must have had a good reason to believe the suspects were dangerous. They would have needed a warrant from a judge, after all. I would rather send my money to someone I know is deserving versus someone who could quite likely be a scam artist. Besides, a hungry Guatemalan child would be much happier with a lot less money than a lawyer in Houston. Besides, if they really are penniless as they claim, and if they really were simply falsely accused, they should qualify for a public defender.

[Chuck50]

Unicorn I send money to childeren in Brazil who have a rough life and I also sent money to Kristian because I have know him and grown to love him. It has nothing to do with his beauty or Big Cock (Cause he has both) it is his person that I sent the money too. I have been around the block and world and know the difference. He is very genuine and I know many on here find that hard to believe. Let me put it in terms most on here can understand : "He is more than a BIG DICK and a Pretty Face and Body" HUGs Chuck

[Chuck50]

Thanks TOP8 Me too HUGS Chuck they are both special. I guess if you haven't met them then you are skeptical. HUGS

[Guest alanm]

Kristian is a genuine, decent person. That's almost more important to me than his good looks and large cock. I do not know him as well as some of the rest of the people here. But, I called Kristian yesterday to wish him well. He talks as if his escort career to at an end. That's a shame, but Kristian has a lot going for himself. There is life after escorting. He's no angel, but an extremely nice guy.

[Chuck50]

Just let that voice free Kristian and you will go far HUGS chuck

[Guest jaws]

AMEN