Luke Brazil - Another sneaky bareback escort?

[BewareofNick]

I don't have a problem with escorts that bareback. I really don't. You'll never hear me say a bad word about Brandon Keadin or Tod Morgan or any of the others that are up front about the fact that they bareback. It's not the smartest thing in the world (IMHO) but there's no deception involved either.

 

This was from the e-mail section :

 

From Luv2Play, 9/13/2002

 

You recently posted a review of Luke Braziland several days later a note was added

by you that Luke will not do bareback. The reviewer had maintained that Luke

indeed liked bareback, both giving and receiving. Well, if Luke maintains

that he will not bareback, he should remove his posting in the escort section

of barebacksex.com which lists him as a versatile bareback escort. Thanks and

keep up the good work. Use your site constantly to find escorts who do as

they say and say as they do! From a contributor (have posted 3 or 4 reviews

on your site) with the handle Luv2play.

 

 

There is indeed an ad for Luke on barebacksex.com:

 

http://www.barebacksex.com/escort.php?id=66267

 

 

The question becomes: was this ad placed by Luke himself or did someone else post it for him? The profile was posted on 6/12/2002, so it's been there for a good three months.

 

The reviewer who said he barebacked with Luke also reviewed Dan in Nashville (since retired) and Buddy Jones and Gregory Scott in Orlando. In the Buddy Jones review, Top Man also indicates that Buddy barebacks.

 

So who's lying, Luke? You or the reviewer? How about setting the record straight?

[Guest 7Zach]

I read the email, I read the review and the reply, and there are questions. But in the past, you among others have stated that the barebacking site just posts pics regardless of whether the escort submitted them or not. Maybe it's the case here, maybe not.

So why be so offensive in the way you pose the issue and the question? Do you think it makes your point stronger?

I have no doubt that 90% of the escorts on this site have barebacked in one way or the other, once or often, in their private lives...was that broad enough? The same is true of just about everyone who comes here. But because of the nature of the issue, I assume that few ever tell the truth, escorts or clients. So, what are you going to do, bet on the odds the way that the escort answers?

Sure, if you know the facts and the truth, you may feel like the odds are a little more in your favor or against...but are people that clueless to bet on it?

I see your point; I understand the premise of the whole review policy. But I can't help wondering if the escorts aren't entitled to more privacy than they're afforded. But I don't know the answer to that. But in this case, it's not the privacy issue that bothers me; it's the tone of a challenge in a public forum. And the answer seems to be that it is ok to say whatever about the escort here, in whatever tone, because of the very fact that they escort. It's the same ole dichotemy - the client may remain without identity, the escort is public information.

[BewareofNick]

>I read the email, I read the review and the reply, and there

>are questions. But in the past, you among others have stated

>that the barebacking site just posts pics regardless of

>whether the escort submitted them or not. Maybe it's the

>case here, maybe not.

 

That's entirely possible. However, it might interest you to know that there are many other escorts with secretive bareback profiles on all three bareback sites that I have been too, some on all three. Then again, there are escorts who are very up front about their bareback activities and do not shy away from these profiles. To me, it's about being honest. If you bareback, stand up and say it. We had an escort, Jason Reaerdone in fact, who had an ad on barebackcentral, that was placed there by someone who thought he was helping Jason out. Some investigation on my part led to the conclusion that Jason was indeed NOT offering bareback services. It did however take almost an act of congress to get Jason's ad removed from the site.

 

>So why be so offensive in the way you pose the issue and the

>question? Do you think it makes your point stronger?

 

I fail to see the offensiveness in what I posted. I issued a challenge to be sure, but offensive? I guess that's in the eye of the beholder.

 

>I have no doubt that 90% of the escorts on this site have

>barebacked in one way or the other, once or often, in their

>private lives...was that broad enough? The same is true of

>just about everyone who comes here. But because of the

>nature of the issue, I assume that few ever tell the truth,

>escorts or clients. So, what are you going to do, bet on the

>odds the way that the escort answers?

>Sure, if you know the facts and the truth, you may feel like

>the odds are a little more in your favor or against...but

>are people that clueless to bet on it?

 

Again, the issue is honesty. If Luke does not bareback, and a client says he does, then perhaps the client is guilty of libel? slander? You lawyers out there would know better than I do. What escorts or clients do in their private lives is their business. As deej as pointed out many a time. assume everyone barebacks and act accordingly. Good advice. However, the issue for me has always been honesty. If the escort states flat out that he DOES NOT bareback and then advertises covertly or not so covertly on a bareback website, then he absolutely should be called on it.

 

>I see your point; I understand the premise of the whole

>review policy. But I can't help wondering if the escorts

>aren't entitled to more privacy than they're afforded. But I

>don't know the answer to that. But in this case, it's not

>the privacy issue that bothers me; it's the tone of a

>challenge in a public forum. And the answer seems to be that

>it is ok to say whatever about the escort here, in whatever

>tone, because of the very fact that they escort. It's the

>same ole dichotemy - the client may remain without identity,

>the escort is public information.

 

I understand what you are saying, but you are also attempting to hijack the thread by turning my question into something else. I am not saying whatever about an escort. A review was made. The escort rebutted by stating flat out that he does not bareback. Someone else wrote in showing that the escort has a profile on barebacksex.com. You do the math.

 

Luke, we're waiting.....

[Flower]

Public Statements = Loss of Privacy

 

> It's the

>same ole dichotemy (sic)- the client may remain without identity,

>the escort is public information.

 

It's not quite that simple nor unfair -- it is the escort that is advertising and putting his name before the public in the first place--sure, it is done to increase business, but when an escort or anyone (General Motors, for instance) else puts their name up to sell a product or advertises certain features, they are subjecting it and themselves to public scrutiny. When they then misrepresent what many would consider to be an important or significant factor of their product, it is fair game to comment on.

 

When a seller of goods makes a representation to the public on a public forum, then he has opened the door, and waives his right to privacy on matters concerning what he is selling. You can't have it both ways. So, for you to say "It's the same ole dichotomy - the client may remain without identity, the escort is public information" is a gross oversimplification. The client is not advertising publicly and the escort is not required to--it's his choice either way. He does it to get more business, of course, but the price is loss of privacy.

 

Think about this--if a client advertised here, offering a free trip to Tahiti each month for the Coverboy of the Month, and client did so on a regular basis, and it turned out the trip was not as advertised, don't you think you would hear about it very soon on here? There is no "dichotomy" here based on status, only a loss of privacy based on advertising and public representations.

 

My comments here take no position re BB by the escort either in his escorting or in his private life--that's not what this thread is about and it has been beat to death in other recent threads--my comments only go to the false public assertion and advertising and the propriety of fair comment.

 

 

Flower :*

[BewareofNick]

RE: Public Statements = Loss of Privacy

 

Thank you Flower for you support and one heck of an editorial. Here now is tonight's Bewareof Nick report on Luke Brazil. Much as I did in the case I mentioned above, I had the escort in question e-mailed by a friend inquiring rather benignly about bareback services. We expected a simple yes or no answer as regards barebacking, and we got much more than anticipated. I had the original e-mail chain forwarded to Hooboy.

 

**********************************************************************

 

From :

"Luke Brazil" <dcstud4hire@hotmail.com>

 

To :

xxxxxxxxxx@aol.com

 

Subject :

From Luke Brazil

 

Date :

Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:56:00 -0400

 

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Thanks for contacting me.

Rate is 175. In Calls available - (12th & Ust.NW), or Out Calls if accessible.

 

I am attaching some other pics of me. Hope you like 'em. You can also check some reviews on Hooboy site - http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/lukebrazil.html

 

(BB is cool, though I mentioned on my hooboy site that I won't because of some clients who aren't into that and they don't need to know then)

 

 

Would you have pics of you to reply? When and where would you be planning to meet? What are you all into and not into?

Looking forward to hearing from you soon,

Luke Brazil

 

 

----Original Message Follows----

From: xxxxxxxxxx@aol.com

To: dcstud4hire@hotmail.com

Subject: Barebacksex ad

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:46:29 EDT

 

Hi!

 

I was just perusing your ad in barebacksex.com and I wanted to find out if

you would be available this weekend? I am a versatile bottom and I would

like to take a couple of loads from you. Please let me know if you are

available.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

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Thanks for clearing up the issue, Luke.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Public Statements = Loss of Privacy

 

Good work, BoN!

[BewareofNick]

RE: Public Statements = Loss of Privacy

 

Thanks Lucky.

 

Umm, where's all the people who usually say:

 

1. I'm am ass

2. I need to give up my unhealthy obsession with _______________.

3. I am being rude and condescending to the escort because it's a public forum, yada yada yada...

 

I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore....

 

[+ deej]

RE: Public Statements = Loss of Privacy

 

What do you know now that you didn't know before? That you need to use protection if you have sex with this latest object of your affliction?

 

YOU KNEW THAT ALREADY.

[Guest NakedTony]

RE: Public Statements = Acknowledgement of Success

 

>Umm, where's all the people who usually say:

>

>1. I'm am ass

>2. I need to give up my unhealthy obsession with _______________.

>3. I am being rude and condescending to the escort because it's a public forum, yada yada yada...

 

BoN, sounds like you're referring to me. I've accused you of having an unhealthly obsession and this thread doesn't change that opinion for me.

 

However, you were successful in getting the "goods" against this BB escort. I appreciate your posting and exposure of someone that is deceiving his clients.

 

But, I also agree with Deej. You've got to assume no one is safe and take proper precautions.

[BewareofNick]

RE: Public Statements = Acknowledgement of Success

 

>>Umm, where's all the people who usually say:

>>

>>1. I'm am ass

>>2. I need to give up my unhealthy obsession with _______________.

>>3. I am being rude and condescending to the escort because it's a public forum, yada yada yada...

>

>BoN, sounds like you're referring to me. I've accused you of

>having an unhealthly obsession and this thread doesn't

>change that opinion for me.

>

>However, you were successful in getting the "goods" against

>this BB escort. I appreciate your posting and exposure of

>someone that is deceiving his clients.

>

>But, I also agree with Deej. You've got to assume no one is

>safe and take proper precautions.

 

 

If both of you will note, I quoted deej above before he ver posted.

 

It's about the honesty folks. Don't know why that simple concept is so hard to grasp.

[BewareofNick]

RE: Public Statements = Loss of Privacy

 

>What do you know now that you didn't know before? That you

>need to use protection if you have sex with this latest

>object of your affliction?

>

>YOU KNEW THAT ALREADY.

 

We learned that the escort LIED and that he engages in deceptive business practices. Based in his response, we can also see he holds a certain amount of contempt for clients too. How about that?

[+ deej]

RE: Public Statements = Loss of Privacy

 

>We learned that the escort LIED and that he engages in

>deceptive business practices. Based in his response, we can

>also see he holds a certain amount of contempt for clients

>too. How about that?

 

Did you honestly tell him when you wrote to him that you would be publishing his response? Or was he conducting a conversation he assumed would be kept in confidence?

[BewareofNick]

RE: Public Statements = Loss of Privacy

 

Hmmm/ Let's think about that for a moment. How about...NO.

 

Let's imagine....

 

Dear Luke,

 

A client wrote in and gave you a great review, but he said you bareback. You responded that you flat out do not, yet you have an escort ad on a bareback website. Could you please explain?

 

Hugs and kisses,

Neal

 

But then again, no one seemed to mind when I did the same thing for Jason Reardone to help clear his name over a similar issue. Why you continue to defend this escort is beyond me. If Luke's repsonse had been, "No, sorry, i do not bareback and this ad was not palced by me" I would have posted that here too.

[Chuck50]

RE: Public Statements = Loss of Privacy

 

IM just wondering if it really matters whether you told him or not that you would post it. Is it one story if its between us or another if you are going to publicize it. Dont know what to make of it. Either you do or your dont period not maybe if you dont tell anyone I told you Good Job BON