NYObserver's comments on Mark Dalton's review

[Guest Kenny021]

Below is NY Observer's comments re: Negative review of Mark Dalton... he obviously feels that Mark's review was "unsubstantiated" because it was not "checked out in advance of being published". After he talked with Mark "at length he believes that it was not a true report". He found Mark to be pleasant etc. etc. etc. PLUS HE'S EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD LOOKING!. Well, that alone convinces me that the review is false. He treated him respectfully, even though he doesn't think it was because he was NY OBSERVER...although that didn't hurt...YEA.

 

He goes on to say that Mark is up front about his "limitations" and that somehow people are out to get him and that we all should not judge him. (NYO doesn't comment about the tel call)...probably feels that this is not important.

I'm interested in getting opinions from all of you about these particular comments from NY Observer....who basically alludes to the fact that the review was false, written by someone out to get Mark Dalton.

 

,..." there was a recent review on this site of Gaiety dancer, Mark Dalton. Mark had an unsubstantiated negative review published, which was not checked out in advance of being published. In talking to him at length, I believe that it was not a true report. Having spent some time with Mark, I found him to be a very pleasant, down-to-earth, laid back kind of guy (that, plus he’s exceptionally good looking). He treated me respectfully (I don’t think it was because I was NYO, but I’m sure it didn’t hurt) and I would definitely see him again. If one is interested in a gay escort, one should look at the many websites and publications that advertise them. Mark has his limits on what he will and won’t do, as should any person offering this service. I think he is pretty honest about his limitations. I would give him a thumbs up and hope that those who are out to get him or wish bad things to him would get to know him better before judging him. He’s a young kid, still has a lot to learn, but he is definitely not a bad guy

[marc anthony]

I guess I have said this many times in many different ways... but here is an attempt at a summary:

 

You have to understand whom you are hiring.

 

I hire twinks. Young guys. Many are not experienced in social graces or the ways of the world. If I take them to a really classy restaurant, they sometimes don't dress appropriately. They sometimes talk about themselves too much. They are sometimes late. If I want to keep hiring them without going crazy, I have to understand that.

 

Some guys hire muscle guys. They sometimes aren't interactive. Sometimes they are dominantly demeaning. Sometimes they are gruff and can treat a client with disdain. If you like muscle guys, deal with it.

 

Mark Dalton (whom I have never met) is both young and a muscle guy. He looks gorgeous in his pics... but I would never for a second assume that he would let me fuck his brains out and kiss me passionately for $200 bucks without asking him first. And judging from what I have read, he would probably say no!

 

After all of this storm... whether it really happened or not... I am fairly certain he WON'T have his cell phone on at his next appointment. He is a young guy and he is learning. I gotta admit from both his response here, and NYO's report, at least he is trying to learn.

 

Hey... if a guy stiffs you, robs you, doesn't show up, doesn't deliver on what he promises, hurts you... write a review/call the cops. If he is a muscle guy who is not interactive, or a twink who is flaky, live with it, or move on and find another one who fits you better. YOU'RE the one who like the type. Understand what the whole package often brings.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>Some guys hire muscle guys. They sometimes aren't

>interactive. Sometimes they are dominantly demeaning.

>Sometimes they are gruff and can treat a client with

>disdain. If you like muscle guys, deal with it.

>

>Mark Dalton (whom I have never met) is both young and a

>muscle guy. He looks gorgeous in his pics... but I would

>never for a second assume that he would let me fuck his

>brains out and kiss me passionately for $200 bucks without

>asking him first. And judging from what I have read, he

>would probably say no!

 

The issue wasn't about him lying on the bed like a dead starfish, the issue was him referring to the client as a "queer" when he thought he was out of earshot.

 

Everyone understands the "muscle worship" scene. Just because some of us find it tedious, at best, it doen't mean we don't understand the inherent limitations that come with it.

 

Clarifyingly yours,

 

FFF

[Candyman]

Just two comments on the subject.

1. I have met and Mark Dalton at the Gaiety and we spoke in the lounge. I decided not to hire Mark only because he was very honest about what he was willng to do. I found him to very nice and friendly. I also think that Mark is a very good businessman and has done very well in a short period of time. I think that Mark is to smart to destory what he has created.

2. I have written in NYO and have met him in person. NYO does not go around the Gaiety announcing who he is in fact I know he prefers that people not know who he is. I am sure that plenty of people have no idea that he writes reviews. I will stand by NYO remarks and comments since I know he is not out to promote or destroy anyone.

[marc anthony]

>>Some guys hire muscle guys. They sometimes aren't

>>interactive. Sometimes they are dominantly demeaning.

>>Sometimes they are gruff and can treat a client with

>>disdain. If you like muscle guys, deal with it.

>>

>The issue wasn't about him lying on the bed like a dead

>starfish, the issue was him referring to the client as a

>"queer" when he thought he was out of earshot.

>

FFF: That's what I was referring to in my comment about treating someone with disdain. If you hire a "straight" or "bisexual" muscle guy for worship, then you are deluding yourself if you think at least some of them won't go away and say or think "I made some bucks off that disgusting queer." Some don't think that way, some do. You just have to decide what your own tolerance level is for intolerance in exchange for sexual gratification.

 

Like I said, I hire twinks. I would be seriously delusional if I thought not one single twink I was ever with left and told his friends ,"I was with some really old, boring guy tonight." Or even something more nasty and judgemental. Some don't think that way, some do. The ones that do think that way are usually one time meetings with nothing more for me than hot sex. And that's what I am paying for. The ones who don't think that way more clearly enjoy their time with me... and they are repeat hires and people that I keep in touch with off the clock.

 

Anyway, that's just my spin on it. Obviously, FFF, you and many others on this board who have commented on this subject couldn't hire someone whom you knew didn't respect you. And I respect that. I can if they're hot. I pay them for sex, we have hot sex, they leave and smirk when they get out the door, and I don't invite them to my home for dinner.

 

Like I said before, I think everyone would be happier if they understood who they're hiring, what they're hiring them for, and what baggage the whole package may bring.

[NY Observer]

Thanks for the nice things you guys say about me. To be honest, I have nothing to gain by going to bat publicly for these guys. Yes, I write the review pretty much every week (and yes, I think most of the dancers know I write it, as do a lot of regular patrons; I don't deny it when people ask), but it's not like I'm on a payroll or get favors for defending someone or giving them a good review.

 

I agree with all that's been said. Mark definitely has his limits and is very up front about them. As for calling someone "queer", I don't know what was said. When we were together, I think his phone rang once (maybe I'm mixing dates) and he made absolutely no attempt to even look to see who was calling.

 

I think Mark is at minimum gay-friendly. I have spoken to several people, including a dancer or two, who think he's gay, I'm not the one to judge. I would be very surprised if Mark made any kind of malicious comments like the one that was mentioned. Regardless of what you think about him, he's marketed himself extremely well and he's not stupid. He wouldn't go around doing things that would crumble the image he's tried to build.

 

Until proven otherwise, I am officially on record as thinking that review is bogus.

[Guest Sports]

I don't understand why NYObsrvr has to call into question a previous negative review of Mark Dalton. Just because the "Observer" had several nice encounters with Mark Dalton doesn't mean the negative review of Dalton has to be false. Why can't the "Observer" just accept someone else's opinion. I would question the Observer's review; Anyone who shells out $250 several times in a week for somebody whose major talent is marketing has to be a little off or he works for a marketing firm and appreciates a good marketer.

[Guest Sports]

RE: NYObserver's comments and the many Mark Dalton reviews

 

Not a cheap shot, I like the Obsrvr but I believe him wrong on this issue. I am questioning why the "Obsrvr" came out and supported Mark Dalton so vigorously. Sure the Obsrvr had a good time but that doesn't mean the other review is "boogus." I have heard alot of negative stories about Mark Dalton, I have seen Dalton in action at the Gaiety and the negative review he received on this site sounds true to me. Now with the flurry of positive reviews within the last week for Mark Dalton by people who are first time posters makes me believe the negative review even more.

 

Tampa, let's talk about another issue. It's really unnessary for you to to go point by point as if you were preparing a term paper responding to my previous small post on this board. I should be flattered that you examined carefully my every word and hung on every nuiance but Tampa, give it a rest. Just say what you have to say and avoid the legal brief style of writing; You would think you were writing for the Supreme Court. I realize that you have posted 1438 times this year and you have alot of experience on this site but please work on another sytle that incorporates some original thought.

[Guest alanm]

On June 27th, Mark received two more very favorable reviews from first time reviewers. Like his last favorable review, I don't buy it.

Here's a guy with few reviews who all of a sudden gets three great reviews in the space of a week. I agree with marc anthony

about the limits (and personalities of those who provide) muscle

worship. But, note to Mark: ease up on the # of reviews.

[BewareofNick]

Did anyone notice all the first time reviews that have miraculously popped up? #5 in particular seems to have been written in the same limited style that Mark has. Of course, clients are looking to mark for his vocabulary...

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>I don't understand why NYObsrvr has to call into question a

>previous negative review of Mark Dalton.

 

Why? You and others are calling into question positive reviews of others. It happens all the time around here... but in this case NYO has personal knowledge -- something that most don't have.

 

Just because the

>"Observer" had several nice encounters with Mark Dalton

>doesn't mean the negative review of Dalton has to be false.

 

No it doesn't mean it has to be false... but NYO has first hand experience with Mark and it does not comport with the negative review.

 

>Why can't the "Observer" just accept someone else's opinion.

 

This comment would seem to apply to several of us around here, you too it would seem. I think all of us are more willing to take our own first hand experience with someone or a third party anonymous opinion -- am I wrong here Sport?

 

> I would question the Observer's review; Anyone who shells

>out $250 several times in a week for somebody whose major

>talent is marketing has to be a little off or he works for a

>marketing firm and appreciates a good marketer.

 

This is a cheap shot attacking the messenger and beneath you.. I would hope.

:-(

[Guest MrB]

Everybody please be nice :-)

 

I don't mean to pick on anybody--just on ALL of you LOL -- but here's why I don't post as much as I used to. This doesn't help in any way towards a more fun message centre.

 

It's an interesting enough thread, regardless of whether you believe the review or not. It's all about opinions here anyway, you believe whomever you choose. NYO's Gaiety reviews are fun to read but they are HIS OPINIONS and he makes a point of stating so every week. He may influence my thoughts because I like the guy, but I make the final decision on what I believe and whom I hire.

It's the same for Tampa and so many other posters whom I've learned to respect for their opinions, integrity or manners. His posts are always well written and easy to follow. If you prefer a different style, that's OK with me too.

 

Just stick to the subject, avoid the personal attacks and show some respect, so we can all go back to

 

Having fun!

 

 

MrB

 

 

>

>Tampa, let's talk about another issue. It's really unnessary

>for you to to go point by point as if you were preparing a

>term paper responding to my previous small post on this

>board. I should be flattered that you examined carefully my

>every word and hung on every nuiance but Tampa, give it a

>rest. Just say what you have to say and avoid the legal

>brief style of writing; You would think you were writing for

>the Supreme Court. I realize that you have posted 1438

>times this year and you have alot of experience on this site

>but please work on another sytle that incorporates some

>original thought.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Everybody please be nice :-)

 

I have missed Mr B's postings. He has always been an example of a real gentleman on the boards. His comment here is worthy of respect.

Tampa Yankee and NYO are two other top contributors who try to avoid rancor.

Given that I have made my share of bitchy comments, I am always glad when these guys can steer things back to civility.

[Guest dfwmenfoto]

It’s so odd that one negative review for Mark Dalton is believed over several positive ones, mine being one of those. What do I have to do to prove that my experiences are legit – Post copies of my Sprint cell phone bills showing calls to and from his number in Jan. and March? <G> But I really think there is NOTHING that I could say to convince those that have already made up their minds about Mark. So be it.

The issue mentioned to discount those positive ones is being a “first time reviewer or poster”. I think Mark attracts first-timers because he is a muscle-boy-next door type with his blond good looks. That, and being known nationally known for maybe a couple of years through his Vista Video work makes him feel “safer” to a nervous first-timer. Or is it that ANY first time review has less validity than those here that have hired many escorts and make it a way of life? If anyone was going to be devious and make up reviews, how easy would it be to post several bogus reviews of others here and there to get the numbers up, and then write something to be believed? No, I am a first-time reviewer to add my voice here because the negative review was SO DIFFERENT from my experiences with Mark. Several things about it don’t make a lot of sense anyway. Primarily, his derogatory use of “Queer” since his manager is gay. If he puts his career in the hands of a gay man, don’t you think he has acceptance and understanding of gays? The ONE phrase that was overheard is just TOO dramatic and THE hot-button issue to get everyone all stirred up. It smells.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>If he

>puts his career in the hands of a gay man, don’t you think

>he has acceptance and understanding of gays?

 

No. It proves that he's an opportunist.

 

Is it possible that his postive reviews are all legit? Sure. But so fucking what? What has gotten Mark in trouble is not that he allows "body worship" and that's a big snore to many of us; what has gotten him in trouble is that he referred to the john as "a queer" while he thought he was out of earshot.

 

They are MANY times in our professional lives when we shmooze people and make kissy-face with them when in reality we have nothing but contempt for them.

 

The reason I believe it's true is because it would be consistant with how these "straight boys" feel deep down.

 

Insightfully yours,

 

FFF

[BewareofNick]

RE: Everybody please be nice :-)

 

>I have missed Mr B's postings. He has always been an example

>of a real gentleman on the boards. His comment here is

>worthy of respect.

>Tampa Yankee and NYO are two other top contributors who try

>to avoid rancor.

>Given that I have made my share of bitchy comments, I am

>always glad when these guys can steer things back to

>civility.

 

The bitch is back!!! Yay!

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>Primarily, his

>derogatory use of “Queer” since his manager is gay.

 

Good grief! are we back on this tired old subject again? Didn't we bury it around Groundhog"s Day?

 

Thunderbuns