Escort pricing... Can anyone give me the rules?

[Guest seraph250]

>Quality escorts may allow some negotiation in price during a

>slow period, but they will also classify you as a problem

>client. It is fine if you only plan to see the escort once,

>but a bad way to start a relationship with an escort whom

>you may want to see a number of times.

 

That has not been my experience at all. There are three escorts with whom I bargained on price whom I have seen more than once and there has been no problem with the subsequent appointments.

 

>On the other hand (so to speak), porn stars charge very high

>rates,

>there has to room for some room for negotiation in those

>situations.

 

It does not make any sense to me to pay a higher fee for someone simply because he has made a video, especially since I have not noticed that there is any difference in quality. That's why I never do this.

[Guest seraph250]

>Why would you attribute it to insecurity or lack of

>self-confidence?

 

Because I can't think of any other reason why people would be reluctant to do something that is to their own benefit. Can you?

 

> It is much more likely that is simply

>considered bad manners.

 

Why is that much more likely?

 

>Since America is not a “haggling”

>country, many Americans would consider it in poor taste to

>haggle over a personal service. Business deals are

>negotiated, and you haggle with a car salesman, but I

>certainly don’t want to equate either of these situations

>with hiring an escort. Yes, it’s a financial transaction,

>but it’s not a contract to make widgets -- it’s a very

>personal service.

 

Americans frequently bargain over the price of a car or a house, and those are very personal decisions and are much more important than an escort. It doesn't make any sense to me to say that it's in poor taste to bargain over the one but not the other.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>>On the other hand (so to speak), porn stars charge very high

>>rates,

>>there has to room for some room for negotiation in those

>>situations.

>

>It does not make any sense to me to pay a higher fee for

>someone simply because he has made a video, especially since

>I have not noticed that there is any difference in quality.

 

I would guess that the reason porn stars think they can demand bigger $$$ is the assumption that if they have appeared in a porn flick then their bod must be spectacular and therefor worth more. Not necessarily true - but probably the common perception.

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest alanm]

JeffOH and Joey Hart, escorts with good reputations, have already

posted about their frustrations with clients who want to bargain the

fee. JeffOH's policy of not negotiating is common amongst the best escorts, many of whom already have large numbers of regular clients.

 

Of course, some escorts are open to negotiating the fee. That's fine.

I also agree that fees have probably risen too high. But, your postings suggest that you almost enjoy the negotiating more than the sex. Frankly, your comments also suggest a unlining contempt for

escorts.

[phage]

>>Why would you attribute it to insecurity or lack of

>>self-confidence?

>

>>Because I can't think of any other reason why people would

>be reluctant to do something that is to their own benefit.

>Can you?

 

I can only speak for myself, but it has nothing to do with a lack of security or self-confidence. I routinely negotiate business deals as part of my job, and I am very comfortable doing so when I feel it is appropriate. However, I don’t feel it is appropriate in this situation. I don’t haggle with any of the other personal service providers in my life, and we’re talking about the ultimate “personal” service here.

 

>> It is much more likely that is simply

>>considered bad manners.

>

>Why is that much more likely?

 

I am generally the most cynical person in any room, but I find it hard to believe that men who don’t haggle with an escort are doing so out of insecurity rather than a sense of inappropriateness. It’s something neither one of us will ever really know.

 

>Americans frequently bargain over the price of a car or a

>house, and those are very personal decisions and are much

>more important than an escort. It doesn't make any sense to

>me to say that it's in poor taste to bargain over the one

>but not the other.

 

Well, I’m not trying to be flip about this, but…cars and houses are things and escorts are people. I think there is a very basic difference in the way the situations should be approached.

 

I agree that buying a car or a house is a more important financial decision, but that’s just another reason why I treat them differently.

 

This is hard to say without sounding arrogant or pretentious, but I’ll try. I was raised with a certain attitude about money. We aren’t rich but I’ve never really struggled either. I’m sure that tempers my viewpoint since money becomes more important when you don’t have enough. However, in my world, money is never more important than people are. Since hiring an escort is not even an “important” financial decision, I just find it distasteful to haggle over a few dollars with someone I plan on being intimate with.

[Guest tmbg]

Phage I agree with you. We are not talking about material objects we are talking about people who we plan to be very personal with. I recently hired an escort who had in his AOL profile something like... please do not insult me by asking for a discount, I am not a used car. I think that sums it up nicely.wanting to negotiate

 

Cheers! Ritchie

[Bilbo]

I think that additional reasons that porn actors charge more would include:

 

- You may already have a bit of a crush on him from having seen him in action.

 

- You may be expecting gossip from the film business and community.

 

- You may think of him as already proven. Well, we've heard otherwise about some of them, and now that we have the reviews here they are not the only already proven escorts. (BTW, I have my eye on Kristian of Houston, but he only has one review on here so far, and y'all tell me just how much I need to discount the first review on any escort. Somebody else please do him soon and confirm or not what the first one says? Please?)

 

- And, perhaps the most important, it is one helluva lot easier to brag to your friends, for years, that you've been with him. A lot more people will know who you're talking about - if his career keeps going or he is "legendary" - even more than would know from the nonpornacting escorts who we who read the reviews would recognize. Cognoscienti R Us.

 

But, personally, I basically agree with you. There are only a few of the porn actors whom I would pay more for if I could afford it. Like Tom Chase - I still have an autograph of his somewhere around here and the memory of shaking his hand at some public PR event one Pride Week.

[Guest regulation]

>JeffOH and Joey Hart, escorts with good reputations, have

>already

>posted about their frustrations with clients who want to

>bargain the

>fee. JeffOH's policy of not negotiating is common amongst

>the best escorts, many of whom already have large numbers of

>regular clients.

 

Pardon me, but isn't Joey Hart the same escort who has been accused by Esc_Tracker of pulling two no-shows in a row on him? Is that your idea of a good reputation?

 

It has been said on this board before, but it bears repeating. There is no one who has real empirical data to back up a statement such as "most escorts feel this way" or "the best escorts feel this way." For this reason, all such statements are nothing more than sheer conjecture.

 

>Of course, some escorts are open to negotiating the fee.

>That's fine.

>I also agree that fees have probably risen too high. But,

>your postings suggest that you almost enjoy the negotiating

>more than the sex. Frankly, your comments also suggest a

>unlining contempt for

>escorts.

 

I don't see anything contemptuous about seraph's posts. Is it not possible for you to disagree with someone without making personal remarks about him? I thought personal insults had been banished from the "new" message center.

[Guest regulation]

>This is hard to say without sounding arrogant or

>pretentious, but I’ll try. I was raised with a certain

>attitude about money. We aren’t rich but I’ve never really

>struggled either. I’m sure that tempers my viewpoint since

>money becomes more important when you don’t have enough.

>However, in my world, money is never more important than

>people are. Since hiring an escort is not even an

>“important” financial decision, I just find it distasteful

>to haggle over a few dollars with someone I plan on being

>intimate with.

 

To each his own. I seldom bargain with escorts because I seldom find one whose asking price seems unreasonable to me. I have done so on occasion, however, and the results have generally been quite good, just as other posters such as seraph and Boston Guy have reported from their experience. If some people aren't comfortable doing that then they shouldn't do it. By the same token, they shouldn't suggest that there is something wrong with people who have a different opinion about it. There is no need to make slighting remarks about someone's personality or values simply because his opinion on this subject is different from yours.

[phage]

>There is no need to make

>slighting remarks about someone's personality or values

>simply because his opinion on this subject is different from

>yours.

 

Huh? What part of that statement is a “slighting remark” about Seraph’s personality or values? We were discussing why he thinks many guys don’t like to haggle because of some basic insecurity and I think it is more because of their own sense of good manners. I wasn’t offended by his ‘insecurity’ theory and there is no reason he should be offended by my ‘poor taste’ theory. Is there something more egregious about the suggestion that someone is acting in bad taste than there is about the suggestion that they are acting out of basic insecurity?

[Guest alanm]

There have been endless postings about falling in love or becoming friends with escorts on this site. The postings about negotiating

the price with escorts suggest to me that some people ---just some

people---who posted may not have much respect for escorts. For some people hiring escorts is probably a silent pleasure, with no

information shared with family or friends. Certainly American people

in general have little respect for those ---male or female---who sell

their bodies. After spending so much time on this site discussing subjects mentioned at the beginning of this posting, I do not think that I am out of line bringing up a subject that I can not remember ever being discussed here. I was wrong to attribute a lack of respect for escorts to one particular person.

[Guest Dan]

>Where did you get that idea? Prices of many items bought at

>retail in Europe are far more expensive than in America.

>Have you ever gone shopping for jeans in Germany or France?

 

I don't know about Joey, but I haven't. It seems that jeans are something that there's never been a shortage of here in the U.S.! Besides, when you're lucky enough to look as good as I do in a nice snug pair of black 501's....

 

:+

 

P.S. Oh, yeah - BUY AMERICAN - especially when it comes to Escorts! LOL

[Guest Ant415]

<are not talking about material objects we are talking about people who we plan to be very personal with. I recently hired an escort who had in his AOL profile something like... please do not insult me by asking for a discount, I am not a used car....>

 

Personally, I would not bargain for a rate. I accept or deny a rate at first bat. I know what I can spend, and there are many in this range. To try to get a lower rate from a service provider I would fear he would give less than the best. Ask a barber for a 50% he might not cut my that well. Or sudder to think if I asked the oral surgeon for a price break on my wisdom teeth extraction.

 

However, let's not make escorts seem so abused by suggestion of a discussion of rates. It is made to sound like a personal attack, and the poor abused escort has to fight to retain a shred of dignity.

He looks at clients as a source of income -- business. By charging money to see a person the escort made this a service or product. While don't want to discuss his rates, I don't think it is out of line for those who want to.

 

When a client questions a rate level it is viewed as impersonal and insulting. However, the escort has no problem with the business end of things when it comes to receiving the money, and setting time limits, and so on.

[Trixie]

A very sound post, Ant!!

There have been times when I've bargained for a rate (usually for a second hour), but I would never INITIATE the bargaining. If an escort comes up with a rate that I cannot afford, I say thank you kindly, but no thanks. If he wants to bargain, that's great, he can start the process, by suggesting a lower price. Maybe some escorts don't feel the need to do so, that's fine. But some of the best guys I've been with will freely barter, and don't seem to bear any grudge about it.

[Guest regulation]

>I wasn’t offended by his

>‘insecurity’ theory and there is no reason he should be

>offended by my ‘poor taste’ theory. Is there something more

>egregious about the suggestion that someone is acting in bad

>taste than there is about the suggestion that they are

>acting out of basic insecurity?

 

I don't recall saying that you are one of those who has made slighting remarks during this discussion, phage. I will admit, however, that describing someone else's behavior as "impolite" or "distasteful" could indeed be construed as slighting.

[phage]

No big deal, but it was said directly below my quoted text, so you can see how one would make the assumption that you were addressing said text.

 

This is a total side bar, but I’m curious. Do you think suggesting someone is behaving in poor taste is slighting, but suggesting they are insecure is not? (Not that this is what either Seraph or myself was doing.) Is there a difference because one is a matter of custom and taste, and the other an indication of stunted development?

 

I phrased that last sentence to indicate how I feel, but you can wade through that. I obviously find the suggestion about insecurity more offensive because it makes assumptions about a person’s state of mental being rather than a judgement (albeit a personal one) about their behavior.

[Guest Derrick]

Thank you alanm. Its nice to see that mentioned.