CLIENT HAGGLING ESCORT'S SET RATES

[Guest Mother Theresa Escort]

Court is now in session. All RISE, the honorable Mother Theresa Escort presiding. You MAY be seated.

 

The cross around my neck BURNS through my clothes to my aged breast, when I think about this debate being bandied back and forth.

 

When an escort sets his rates, he places a value on his own worth in the free market. Since these values are completely subjective, you, as the consumer, have the right to move on to the economy class. Becoming outraged by an escort's rates or feeling resentful of having your paltry counter offer blithely dismissed is tantamount to jejeune rantings. From what I have witnessed (Not Jehovah btw), you usually get what you pay for. You must factor in an escort's looks, education, personality, adaptability, attitude, and sincerity (among others). Does the economical option of a pimple-breasted, one-toothed, crack-addicted street hustler sound better to you than a more costly, well groomed/dressed, erudite, colgate-smiling escort who can relate to you on many more levels?

 

If you are that deeply conflicted about what to do with your dough, don't beleaguer the escort, simply place it into the collections basket when you come to church this Sunday. Don't think I didn't notice who missed last Sunday's mass. <g>

[Guest albinorat]

Mother Theresa Escort sermonized from her mount of Venus --

 

Mother you make excellent points in a charming style as seems to be your wont in this short time. However this has been a frequent topic here from the earliest daze of the message boards. It's actually complicated and I'm not sure it boils down to an "either/or" mentality.

 

>

>When an escort sets his rates, he places a value on his own

>worth in the free market. Since these values are completely

>subjective, you, as the consumer, have the right to move on

>to the economy class. Becoming outraged by an escort's rates

>or feeling resentful of having your paltry counter offer

>blithely dismissed is tantamount to jejeune rantings.<

 

True enough as far as it goes. However even the airlines were negotiating first class and frequent flyer miles two and three months ago; and even five star hotels in major international cities were giving tourists or business travelers breaks (I was there, I know).

Sometimes realism mandates a reduction in price or unusual extras. But occasionally it's a good marketing tool too. Anecdotally I do know people who would never have gone to some of the pricier restaurants in NYC except when discounts were being offered recently. They loved the experience so much they've become regulars as far as their budgets allow, they've also boosted the eatery by word of mouth -- better for the restaurant in the long run, than the one time splurger whose attitude is "well it's all shit the next day anyway, so was it worth that much really?"

 

From

>what I have witnessed you usually get

>what you pay for.<

 

Well, sorry, but I disagree. I've paid for more than 25 years all over the place (if you ever get to Tokyo binge on prozac before you go so you won't have libido there). "What you get" depends on what you're looking for, for one thing. I have had good times in my scene with clean, hot guys who did not charge a fortune. I've had the occasional bad experience from and some disappointments with the high ended heriterae who clearly thought THEY were you, Mother, or even higher on the ladder of sanctity.

 

I have not found that price is a guarantee of honesty, friendliness, promptness or even glory in the flesh. These things within reason have much to do woth the person 'neath the 'scort veneer. Some terrific people put a reasonable price on what they do, some louses inflate their prices.

 

Your contrasts are too stark IMO. Not all less pricy 'scorts are

 

>pimple-breasted, one-toothed, crack-addicted<

 

even if you meet them on the street. Not ALL the costly escorts are

 

>well groomed/dressed, erudite, colgate-smiling>

 

I've meet good hearted sex healers on the street or in lower rent districts and I've met some real shits who thought they were "erudite" for example but were even more full of themselves than I am (I might feel jealous but I am not paying to be shown up as a pompous prig).

 

Nor am I looking to relate to an escort >on many more levels> I would venture that many johns are looking to get off in the way that pleases them. It's great to find someone who is fun and personable too (but while it's not a contest and is a close call I'd say I found more that type on the street or at Cowboys in old days in NYC, even at sorely missed Rounds, and certainly in Prague, Berlin and Rome in street or bar cruising circumstances than I have on line).

 

>If you are that deeply conflicted about what to do with your

>dough<

 

But again it isn't really that stark for the men who come here, I'm sure. We've all accepted we're going to pay and we've all accepted we're going to venture capital on experiences that are not indemnified. It's more a question of trying to figure out who is worth venturing on, relative to what you have to venture at a given point. Certainly there are upper end clients for whom even $500 an hour is nothing. But are there enough of those to sustain what seems to have become a strange kind of industry? I doubt it.

 

I actually don't negotiate and never have. I approach people I think I'll like who I know I can afford, period. But as with many others, I have seen people more often (and thus I suspect added something to their bottom line -- no pun intended) who were "reasonably" priced or who were willing to offer a discount spontaneously if I wanted to see them again. And I will say from my own experience alone, that the $350 an hour escort was in the end not worth appreciably more than the $200 an hour escorts I saw around the same time; and I was happier paying the $200 guys $350 for two hours. But that's me.

 

But I think you MUST keep posting from on high!

 

Al

[Guest Countryboy76]

Well, I'm not as well read as Mother and have had limited experience hiring escorts, however I aggree. When you find an escort you wish to spend time with, and you don't aggree with his posted rate, then you should move on to someone more in your price range. The escort sets his rates for his time and I feel that he is the only indvidual who has the right to make any adjustments to his rate, depending on the situation and if the client has special requests. Obviously these adjustments should be made up front before the encounter and it is the clients responsibiity to be honest and up front about what he is looking for.

An experience I had with an escort that I was seeing for the second time: When he arrived the money was placed on the table to cover the amount of time we had aggreed upon plus a tip, which I've read is a no-no but that is just me. After we had gotten cleaned up and were getting dressed I saw that we went over the agreed upon time by about an hour. A bit uncomfortable I tried to go for my wallet discretely and get the extra money, before I could get into my wallet he took it from my hand and laid it on the dresser.

I'm sure that I'm not the only one to have experienced this type of situation with an escort, but once again the escort has the final word as to the rate he sets, and how he handles different situations with his clients.

CB76

[Guest Kenny021]

Julia Roberts shows up at the Academy Awards wearing a $5000 designer dress. One week later, the EXACT replica of the dress is on sale in major department stores for under $200. As a resonable individual, if you want to buy the dress, which would you pick?;-)

[Guest Bitchboy]

Benjamin Bratt's pants.

[Guest Mother Theresa Escort]

Albinorat & Countryboy76,

 

I appreciate your honest and insightful feedback.

 

I'd like to address the second thread though. I feel the client has the right to leave the money on the table if that's what he prefers, but he (not the escort) is ultimately responsible for keeping track of the time. If you only brought enough money for the first hour, it is only fair to inform the escort of it, especially when you place an undisclosed amount on the night stand. Generally speaking, from my experiences, clients have been very thoughtful and magnanimous in that regard.

 

On the other hand, for all you naughty clients who contravene such sound judgment, you will be relegated to our ecclesiastical conversion tower at one of our super-secret indoctrination vineyards.

 

The power of Christ compels you. ;-)

[Guest Merlin]

Ultimately escort fees paid (as opposed to fees asked) will be determined by the market. If an escort is asking too much, he will not have many clients. Conversely, if he is too busy, he will likely decide he must raise his fees not only too make more money, but was a way of controlling his time and limiting the number of clients he sees. I personally consider it a matter of bad taste to haggle with an escort over fees. Haggling is too much like an argument for my taste. It is an expression of desrespect for the escort. Pragmatically, if you successfully haggle, you will probably not get the same service as you otherwise would. Would you haggle with you surgeon over the fee he will charge?

[phage]

>I'd like to address the second thread though. I feel the

>client has the right to leave the money on the table if

>that's what he prefers, but he (not the escort) is

>ultimately responsible for keeping track of the time.

 

Mother, I have agreed with everything you have said up until now. It is both parties’ responsibility to keep track of the time, but ultimately the escorts. It is the client’s responsibility not to contrive reasons for extending the appointment, but the escort is the professional and he is the one with the more practiced inner clock. Unless the length of the session has been left open, he is the one who should orchestrate the schedule.

 

I suppose this might be different for in-calls since the client has control of his coming and going, but for out-calls, it is all in the hands of the escort.

[Guest albinorat]

Am I nuts? Well, yes but I mean, AM I NUTS in a different sense.

 

One thing I have noticed about a lot of escorts (no judgments intended) is that a lot of them write as though it were only a one way street. They compare themselves to accountants or lawyers for example. Nothing wrong with that. But it does occur to me from time to time is that what is going on is inter-personal. Put another way it takes two to tango. An accountant can do her work with little actual contact with the client and certainly no intimate contact. I've never even eaten with my accountant, let alone been naked with him, let alone spent an hour of "pleasure". And I like him.

 

But with escorts, like it or not, there is that gray area of far from remote and cold professionalism yet not quite spontaneous arousal. Successful escorts in my opinion are successful because they enjoy what they do, or are very good at creating that atmosphere. Otherwise they are just trade. With trade, one dick is as good and hard as another if they're selling, why not just shop around for a bargain (a bar/phone line/print ad on a slow night -- I bet their were bargains to be had last night in the snow)?

 

But one values an escort because there is some personal exchange beyond (safe) body fluids. I have seen escorts who seemed genuinely to have a good time with me. If they were acting (and I'm sure some were) there were terrific at it. But something tells me that they were basically into escorting for one thing, and got off on it most of the time, all things being equal (clean, friendly client etc) and secondly with some clients they had an especially good time.

 

I wonder if the price shouldn't reflect that? It's odd to read posts from escorts insisting they want to be treated as people, but then to read the same people demanding to be paid as high priced meat.

 

Hmmm....

[Guest Countryboy76]

Respond to the right postings and I will learn Mother. The escort I refered to was also the first escort I had the pleasure of hiring. When he arrived at my home I asked how he handled the 'transaction', along with other guestions, and he said to leave the money on the coffee table and he would get it. I guess it's handled differently depending on the escort, I don't know. As to the situation I refered to, the second with this particular escort, we were at my home and it wasn't a matter of only having enough money to cover the first hour, it was that when I went to retrieve the money from my wallet to compensate the escort for the additional time, it was he who interupted my efforts to do so.

I understand from reading the escort reviews that an escort who doesn't watch the clock is a plus, I didn't know that it was the clients responsibility though. However I have been with this same escort one time since and when making the arrangments we set things up for a longer period of time, and I did make sure he was compensated for the previous visit. As the client should I descretly interupt things to let the escort know that the time is up, and should he choose to stay longer it is fine with me and that I can compensate him, or should I bring this up when making the arrangements just to cover it in case it should happen again?

I'm still learning, please don't banish me yet.

CB76

[ted]

Mother Theresa, I was in full agreement until this last addendum. As the professional, it is the escorts responsibility to regulate the pace of them meeting, and if it runs over he bears responsibilty. Unless of course the client amends the "contract" , ie I'm having so much fun why don't you stay ..another hour, overnight, etc.

I have never been charged more if we run over a while, of couse I'm generally repeat business too, but I do try something new every once and a while. In my case, with my watch and glasses off, I couldn't tell you whether it was 7, 8, or 9 from the clocks in most hotel rooms. For some reason, it seems like the best guys have a clock built into their heads and can finalize a session without seeming to be "watching the clock".

[Guest Father Fister]

My children of god. Let's take a moment of silence shall we.............

 

Now if the escort is responsible for time. Then he is called a clock watcher. Should the escort let the client know if the time is getting close that we have let's say 10 minutes left? Or should an escort tell a client before hand that if time goes over that there is a fee tacked on to the original hour? How should this be handled so that both parties are comfortable?

 

If a client knows that an escort charges an hourly fee and if time goes over the hour. I believe that the client is responsible for paying ESPECIALLY if it is set in the agreement before hand. I also believe that if an escort does politely state that time is about to go over the client should not get offended. He should either:

 

1) Agree if he wants to go overtime there will be a fee

2) End the session at the appropriate time whether they have finished or not.

 

Maybe everything should be discussed BEFORE the session commences. I think when an escort is telling a client his rates, he should also tell the client not only what to expect but how the time factor should be handled.

 

 

Confession starts at 9pm. I will see you then my children.

 

May the Lord Be with you,

 

Amen

[BgMstr4u]

This subject ignores the obvious: Many (most?) escort "hours" do not last 60 minutes, and some go over. This being the case, if the escort is a clockwatcher, then watch the clock with him: Score the time together in quarter hour increments. If the escort finishes up after 45 minutes, he should be paid 3/4 of what was agreed for the "hour" -- $150 for a $200 "hour", $250 for a 75 minute session. This of course brings into question when the "hour" begins. I would say that it begins when the client first touches the escort after the door is closed and the obligatory "would you like something to drink" has been asked, answered and drinks provided. Punch a time clock at that point, and put it on a place clearly visible to both escort and client. A bell at the end would be nice. Maybe one of those little white wind-up cooking timers... I know this sounds silly, but....

 

If it must be exactly an hour, there are ways to avoid the clockwatching, lawyerlike billable minute approach, to make this reasonable for both sides. I use a cd which I know well -- the 1991 SF Gay Men's Chorus cd. It lasts exactly 62 minutes, 39 seconds. I know that when we get to the end of "How Fair This Place" and begin "San Francisco" our hour is up. I can gauge the hour by the music, and often do. I'm done at that point (unless I have agreed to more than an hour). If the escort wants to stay longer, then, it's on his nickel.

 

Here's a radical proposal: Why not drop the hourly thing altogether and have a fee for a session? It wouldn't hurt either clients or escorts to treat the experience like a date, rather than having a mental clock ticking in the background.

 

In truth, fifteen minutes extra is only professional courtesy on the escort's part, and I would imagine that the great ones value their good relationships with the client enought to build a little cushion in.

[Guest Mother Theresa Escort]

Father Fister,

 

I kneel in the second pew on this issue. The words of your sermon flow like rose petals to my feet.

 

To reinforce what I stated earlier, I feel that the client, ultimately, has control of the duration of the session. Although the escort is the "professional," he cannot assume how long the client wishes to have him. Sometimes, if the session goes well, a client who had previously scheduled for one hour subsequently decides to extend it to two hours. If an escort attempts to verbalize that the session is coming to a close, or if he painstakingly outlines the parameters from the start, he is labeled as someone who is obsessed with the financial aspect of the meeting or a clock watcher (as indicated by FF). The only two exceptions I can see, really, involve inexperienced/first timers or those who have expressed an extreme passivity.

[Guest ssn774]

>Would you haggle with you surgeon over the fee he will

>charge?

 

The health insurance industry (especially HMOs) already does the haggling for its policy holders.

[Guest andorrian]

>Well, I'm not as well read as Mother and have had limited

>experience hiring escorts, however I aggree. When you find

>an escort you wish to spend time with, and you don't aggree

>with his posted rate, then you should move on to someone

>more in your price range. The escort sets his rates for his

>time and I feel that he is the only indvidual who has the

>right to make any adjustments to his rate, depending on the

>situation and if the client has special requests.

 

The problem with this is that many if not most escorts who advertise on the Net do not 'post' rates. If you want their rates you must either call or email. So there is no way to know about the rates without actually contacting the escort.

 

Of course the escort is the only person who adjusts his rates, how could anyone else force him to change them? But if a client responds to the rate saying "I was only planning to spend {number}, the escort can certainly decide for himself if he is willing to do the call for that amount. It is still his decision.

 

This idea that there is something unpleasant about negotiating a quoted price is something I have only seen in America. In many other parts of the world people expect you to negotiate prices on almost anything and think there is something wrong with you if you don't. You guys need to get out a little more.

[Guest Mother Theresa Escort]

>Of course the escort is the only person who adjusts his

>rates, how could anyone else force him to change them? But

>if a client responds to the rate saying "I was only planning

>to spend {number}, the escort can certainly decide for

>himself if he is willing to do the call for that amount. It

>is still his decision.

>

>This idea that there is something unpleasant about

>negotiating a quoted price is something I have only seen in

>America. In many other parts of the world people expect you

>to negotiate prices on almost anything and think there is

>something wrong with you if you don't. You guys need to get

>out a little more.

 

 

Dearest misguided Androgyny,

 

Your defiant but heretical words tear away at the fibers of my papal serenity. As a master of the obvious, you point out that an escort has the ultimate decision about what he charges. And there is nothing wrong with a client who states that the fee supersedes what he is willing to pay. Furthermore, an escort is free to offer to reduce admission to his cock if he so desires. I take issue with the insufferable, egomaniacal, condescending queens who rapaciously HARANGUE an escort, saying things like:

 

"What? Why do you charge that when other escorts in your region are charging X amount of dollars?"

 

"I'll give you X dollars, and I think that should be enough."

 

"I NEVER pay more than X dollars, and that's FINAL."

 

"Well, if I'm gonna pay THAT kind of money, it had BETTER be a guaranteed good time."

 

 

Sweet lambs, consideration goes both ways.

 

Now I would like you to go to the chalk board and write, "What was I thinking?" (1000 times)

 

:*

[eastbayguy]

Why are these concepts so difficult for everyone to grasp? Let me attempt to calm the waters.

 

>>This idea that there is something unpleasant about

>>negotiating a quoted price is something I have only seen in

>>America. In many other parts of the world people expect you

>>to negotiate prices on almost anything and think there is

>>something wrong with you if you don't. You guys need to get

>>out a little more.

>

>Your defiant but heretical words tear away at the fibers of

>my papal serenity. As a master of the obvious, you point out

>that an escort has the ultimate decision about what he

>charges. And there is nothing wrong with a client who states

>that the fee supersedes what he is willing to pay.

>Furthermore, an escort is free to offer to reduce admission

>to his cock if he so desires. I take issue with the

>insufferable, egomaniacal, condescending queens who

>rapaciously HARANGUE an escort, saying things like:

 

HAGGLE, HARANGUE, these are sort of loaded terms used to describe rather blunt tactics for the fine art of negotiation. We all negotiate, every day, for all manner of things. Let's face it, in the escort arena, there are buyers and there are sellers. The question is, who is negotiating from the position of strength, and why? (This question is left as an excercise for the reader to complete. If asked nicely, I might write up a Papal Letter, later, on how I perceive the balance, and how it shifts.)

 

>"What? Why do you charge that when other escorts in your

>region are charging X amount of dollars?"

>

>"I'll give you X dollars, and I think that should be

>enough."

>

>"I NEVER pay more than X dollars, and that's FINAL."

>

>"Well, if I'm gonna pay THAT kind of money, it had BETTER be

>a guaranteed good time."

 

I've never said any of these things to an escort, and never will. No doubt other buyers are less tactful than myself. Your mileage may vary. I have, however, stated my desires, wants, needs, availability and my financial boundaries and other options. Usually, there is a counter-proposal, only very rarely none at all. A negotiation is a dialog with someone else so as to arrive at a settlement. A haggle is some sort of annoying, angry, noisy attempt to wear someone down. Doesn't a wrangling, haranguing and haggling start indicate what is to follow? (buyers and sellers both take note)

 

Escorts--if you are in business, be prepared to negotiate. That's the way value is established. It is all just business, right? Value need not be arrived at in an adversarial or arbitrary manner. There is more to value and valuation, on both sides of any negotiation than just dollars. Human society is full of negotiation, for almost anything and everything. Which is worth more to you, a repeat customer who sees you regularly or an endless series of one timers? Which is scarier? A settlement isn't always possible. But, more often than not, when two parties attempt to see the other's viewpoint, the goal, a settlement, is reached. I will also state that I rarely engage the services of an escort only once. Usually, things get better the 2nd, 3rd and Nth time around.

 

Clients--want full value for your escort dollars? Or do you just want a quick (and cheap) roll in the hay? Want to achieve some higher level of intensity from all this sex? (Note that I didn't say intimacy.) Be prepared to respectfully state what you want, but don't be insulting or degrading in doing so. Once the escort arrives, you want them to want your repeat business, don't you?

 

Let's remember that price isn't the only factor here.

 

--EBG

[Guest albinorat]

>

>Dearest misguided Androgyny,

>

>Your defiant but heretical words tear away at the fibers of

>my papal serenity. As a master of the obvious, [worshipful skip]>

 

As always Mother Teresa your years molesting, I mean teaching the lame and halt have given you a great advantage over the rest of us. The obviousness and idiocy of "andorrian's" needed to be pointed out.

 

>Now I would like you to go to the chalk board and write,

>"What was I thinking?" (1000 times) >

 

But I don't think he can write; his branch manager Truth Teller wrote this post, I believe or dictated it from below. Also that entire group is lacking in the neuro-biology that generally gives rise to "thought" even as it is defined among rodents and insects.

 

Al