What's Up with Escort Rates??

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Interesting questions Bastian...

 

>Clients that ask for appointment discounts AFTER one or two

>regular initial dates.

>

 

I don't ask...

 

>What role does ethnicity play in producing a wage cap in

>escort markets?

>

Who would know this one??? I don't think the Dept. of Labor tracks this market. :-)

 

>Are escorts that rely heavily or solely on print media for

>advertising expected to provide rates closer to street

>workers?

>

Where I live the print media guys try to hover right with the internet for the most , at least for their opening salvo -- from what I know of a few and my impression of the rest. I suspect that some maybe more willing to negotiate. My impression is that many if not most or all print guys in Boston are aware of this site and the reviews so I think BG is right about the influence of this site on escort rates around the country and in print guys also. Of course local economic conditions and supply and demand also play a role too.

 

>How fair are clients who expect discounts for less than

>'full service'? ("I only want to give fellatio, so the rate

>should reflect that")

 

Interesting question. I don't push this but have considered it as potentially desireable option which I eventually dismissed. It is one reason I don't hire tops or straight guys (which leaves Gaiety pickings slim). If I pay the full service fee then I want the full service which for me includes bottoming. Now, if there was a reduction for lesser service I might be inclined to experiment more. But in the end I think this would backfire leading to 'a la carte' pricing that would increase the total fees -- or worse a rise in 'taxi escorts' . So I think it better to leave well enough alone and order what I want or none at all.

>

>Are physical attributes not directly under an escorts

>control -- like penis size or intelligence -- considered to

>be valid reasons for above standard rates?

>

You mean like beauty in super models, or handsome movie stars... come on. Rare or appealing attributes genrate interest which genrates demand which genrates higher rates. Don't know what is 'valid' but I do know what is fact.

 

 

>Ow...too much...overanalysis...must write..j/o story...to

>relieve pressure...

 

Please make sure you post... complete with pictures.

 

:-)

[Guest tmbg]

This type of thread seems to surface every few months. I find it strange that the person in charge of the "Escort of the Year" voting would bring up such a hot topic while the polls are still open.

 

The economy has little to do with escort rates as suggested by TY. An escort is like a football player, in that he has a very limited amount of time where he will have ture earning potential. And like the football player, the escort must gain all that he can while in his prime.

 

The escort has no obligation to meet the clients financial needs. Don't like the rate, then don't hire the escort. It's that simple.

 

Cheers! Ritchie

[Guest cp8036]

<...What is being bought and sold is a person's sexuality, and a unique, intimate encounter with a human being. At some point we ought to think about what's happening a little less coldly than when we're haggling over the price of melons...>

 

Devon,

 

This is true about the nature of the "goods" being sold. So, I hope in addition to the clients, all the escorts realize this as well. As I am sure there are some client-folk that start off with haggling over prices, thus make it all impersonal for you, there may be some escorts that will look at the encounter only as a way to get some fast cash, without regard to intimacy or satisfaction. Prop their ass in the air and allow the client to poke him. All the while, drifting off waiting for the hour to end. In this case I think the escort is not selling his sexuality and intimacy, but instead a cover charge to his cock or hole. An extreme example, c'est vrai, but I am sure exists. Just as the guy that beats you down on price is not the norm. It goes without saying these unsavory types (client and escorts) are not represented on this board, being we are more evolved.

 

I, personally, could not ask for a discount on a personal service, such as a haircut, voice lesson, or an escort date. You can get a $15 haircut, or a $40 cut. Both use approx the same time, and same materials, but the skill of the provider determines price. Since a good haircut is somewhat subjective, like an escort's looks or sexuality, I cannot really place a price. The provider probably set a price that he thinks he is worth compared to what he/she has seen in the industry. In a sense, to ask for a discount would be to deny their abilities. Time in service will not always yield a better product with escorts, and infact, could work the other way.

 

I do find it curious when an escort cannot give a reason for his premium pricing. If he was really that good, and received accolades from his clientele, he should be able to articulate why he is worth top dollar. Without a good response, I figure it is just jumping on the "upscale" escort cliche and its price points.

 

I only hire guys when I travel, or when guys come to my town on travels. A few called or emailed, asking if I would like to meet up during their stay. Many times I declined due to bad cash flow (truthful reason), and most would come back and offer $X as a rate.

 

Since he offered a lower rate, he must be fine with making less for the deal, and I live within my budget. A win-win deal. It makes me feel good, that the guy enjoyed me as a client enough to lower the rates for this circumstance. The escort still gets some revenue, and retains a enjoyable client. And at no time do I feel that I used undue pressure to manipulate his rates.

[Guest cp8036]

I agree... I don't think there is an obligation for an escort to meet each client's dollar limit. If you cannot afford $300 escorts, don't even contact them. If cannot afford $200, then don't consider escorts at all.

 

Our society, or perhaps media, seems to create this right of entitlement to goods or services we want. Credit cards helped fill the void between wants and checkbooks. If we cannot get something, we charge it, or express shock on the absurd price.

 

For myself, the downturn in the economy has been painful. Even though a good meal at my favorite restaurant (Whaffle House) sounds good, I am forced to do without until things get better. If the economic times continue, and many more men are forced to give up such luxorious meals, the restaurant will have to consider lowering its prices. Lower prices follow lower demand with static or increased supply.

[Guest tdami56697]

RE: The Art of Negotiating :-)

 

While the whole negotiating thing I have never been good at, another point was raised here. That of misrepresentation. But from the client side, it happens way too often as evidenced on this site. People take pictures of other people or themselves 10 years ago, then there is a potential scene at the door, or sometimes they just back out at the last minute. While I could understand that an escort would be upset with misrepresentation, especially due to client hygiene, if the client is "in shape" or "good looking", should have no bearing and far to may escorts are concerned with that and even want pictures or put limits on there clients. Why do they think they are being hired, if I was a GQ model I wouldn't have to hire an escort.

This is why I love this site, you can easily see who the good and bad ones are.

I do believe that escorts can be very smart after seeing a client a couple of times to offer a discounted rate for volume, I have had this happen to me and I kept seeing the same person weekly for over a year and a half, where as I might have been tempted to see others.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>As I am sure there are some

>client-folk that start off with haggling over prices, thus

>make it all impersonal for you, there may be some escorts

>that will look at the encounter only as a way to get some

>fast cash, without regard to intimacy or satisfaction. Prop

>their ass in the air and allow the client to poke him. All

>the while, drifting off waiting for the hour to end. In

>this case I think the escort is not selling his sexuality

>and intimacy, but instead a cover charge to his cock or

>hole.

 

Ugh...you're right, and what a lousy way to spend an hour for both parties! The only consolation is that these guys will probably have shorter careers in the business, which is probably better for them as well. Even with sites like this there will always be a certain amount of trial and error in finding a good escort.

 

>I, personally, could not ask for a discount on a personal

>service, such as a haircut, voice lesson, or an escort date.

> You can get a $15 haircut, or a $40 cut. Both use approx

>the same time, and same materials, but the skill of the

>provider determines price. Since a good haircut is somewhat

>subjective, like an escort's looks or sexuality, I cannot

>really place a price. The provider probably set a price

>that he thinks he is worth compared to what he/she has seen

>in the industry. In a sense, to ask for a discount would

>be to deny their abilities. Time in service will not

>always yield a better product with escorts, and infact,

>could work the other way.

 

That's a really good analogy that puts its finger on a lot.

 

>

>I do find it curious when an escort cannot give a reason for

>his premium pricing. If he was really that good, and

>received accolades from his clientele, he should be able to

>articulate why he is worth top dollar. Without a good

>response, I figure it is just jumping on the "upscale"

>escort cliche and its price points.

 

Not sure I get this one. Do you mean you ask the guy on the phone or in an email why his rates are so high? Maybe he's just not used to answering the question point blank? Or maybe it's a secret, like the Colonel's secret recipe?

 

I know a local escort, a very nice guy who hasn't been doing it long, but is already charging $350/hour and apparently guys are happily lining up to pay it. He's in his early twenties, very handsome, tall, well-spoken and super-hunky with a huge cock. His reviews have been superlative, a number of them by five-time reviewers, etc. Now maybe because I knew this kid before either one of us started escorting, if I sat down and stewed over it I might be thinking, sheesh, this guy is hot but no way is he two and a third times hotter than me, two and a third times better in bed, two and a third times more interesting, etc. I mean, if we did a trade I'd still owe him $200! :+ And yet...I can't quantify it either. We're two different types and we're ultimately targeting two different markets. Some intangible "je ne sais quoi" will either make this guy worth the $350 or not. I admire him for having the nuts to put himself out there and declare such a high value for his services, and then being able to live up to it somehow, at least according to the marketplace (and to his reviewers on this site).

 

>Since he offered a lower rate, he must be fine with making

>less for the deal, and I live within my budget. A win-win

>deal. It makes me feel good, that the guy enjoyed me as a

>client enough to lower the rates for this circumstance.

>The escort still gets some revenue, and retains a enjoyable

>client. And at no time do I feel that I used undue pressure

>to manipulate his rates.

 

Not at all. After all, he contacted you to say that he was in town, and then he voluntarily made you an offer. If you can manipulate an escort to do that, those are some Obi-wan Kenobi (sp?) powers you've got going on! }>

[Guest DevonSFescort]

RE: The Art of Negotiating :-)

 

>While I could understand that an escort would be

>upset with misrepresentation, especially due to client

>hygiene, if the client is "in shape" or "good looking",

>should have no bearing...

 

I agree. In the case BG and I were discussing, however, the client was misrepresenting himself to try and get a discount, in which case misrepresentation, if an escort falls for it, really sucks, because then the escort's in a bind -- does he back out of the date and risk the client getting pissed off and posting things about him here, or submitting a bad review of a date that never happened, etc.? Or does he go through with it but demand his full fee, or go through with it, accept that he got burned, and just be "busy" every time the client calls?

 

>...and far to may escorts are concerned

>with that and even want pictures or put limits on there

>clients.

 

Those would be escorts with a limited range...Althought sometimes pictures might be some kind of security thing with them too. You know, "we both have each other's pictures, nobody has something the other doesn't have..."

[Guest JoeyHart]

BLAH BLAH BLAH...

 

I’ve been reading a lot of opinions on here about how much people think an escort should charge (or is worth for that matter) and although my reactions are all over the place, let me try and narrow in on just a couple...

 

FOR THE CLIENT:

Escorts should lower their prices because of a bad economy? What cheap hotel did you tumble out of? Perhaps you have forgotten that the oldest profession in the world deals with people; their emotions, their body, their life. An escort charges what he thinks he is worth (and undercharges even then, but I’ll get to that later), not what you think he is worth. A price on this service is expected but complaining that an escort charges too much money because you can’t balance your checkbook is crude.

 

If you find escorts charge too much and you simply cannot afford $250+ per hour or more than $800 for an overnight then perhaps you should buy a few used porn videos, a Jeff Stryker dildo, and a bottle of poppers and fuck yourself all the way to the bank.

 

Some of you believe that you are so grand in the context of "this is a service" and you’re right, this IS a service and you get what you pay for. Much like a new car or a used car, how it looks, how it drives, how safe it is, determines how much you will pay and if you cannot afford it, you don’t buy it.

 

It’s absurd to hear how demeaning and low-class some of you think escorts are worth. It’s also disgusting to know that you believe escorts are worth only $150 at best.

 

 

FOR THE ESCORT

You are partially responsible for these clients who think that you are worth only a $150. You need to grasp your own self-worth and polish it more than you dick. You’re a person with feelings, emotions, and pride. Stop allowing people to dictate your price and put a limit on what "they" think you are worth.

 

Now I admit, not all escorts look the same but then not all clients do either--do they? Why should an escort suffer through a session with a client who does not shower, isn’t clean, or has bad breath (or teeth) for a measly $150?

 

Negotiate the price? What the hell is that all about? You set your own price based on your own judgments of your body, face, talents, personality, cock size, notoriety, and so many other variables. You don’t negotiate a price with someone--you set it!

 

I didn’t base my rates on location or the economy. I based it on what I believe to be reasonable and affordable for the type of business I am in, not to mention on the variables I listed above. Some clients have turned away because of my price but I have had many clients who have been quite happy with spending time with me and have come back several times over. Confidence is the key. This is your business and you are in charge.

 

To that end, escorts are human, treat them as you want to be treated and stop complaining about paying too much for something as intimate as escorting.

 

Everyone always has a lot to say, some way too much and spew needlessly their overly dramatic opinions about what they think, so if you’re going to respond to this post (which I know you will), please keep it short; scrolling through pages of winded gasbags gets boring.

 

Yeah it's me...Joey Hart ;-)

[Boston Guy]

RE: The Art of Negotiating :-)

 

>No disagreeements here, except that I probably still think

>there are fewer occasions for negotiation than you, but I've

>nitpicked enough... ;-)

 

I don't see it as nipicking at all... there are lots of ways to see any issue and it's not surprising that clients and escorts might view this differently, or that any two clients or any two escorts would.

 

I appreciate the fact that you've taken the time to help us understand the issue from an escort's point of view.

 

One thing I forgot to mention was the subject of tipping. I never know if I'm going to tip someone until after we've gotten together. But it happens very frequently and it's often the case that I might give an escort a large enough tip that the even if we had gotten together on a two-hour rate that was less per hour than the escort's standard rate, the fee with tip ends up bringing him back above the standard rate times the number of hours.

 

And sometimes -- and this will sound stupid to some -- I've negotiated a rate with an escort that is higher than his standard rate per hour. For example, there's a guy in LA who does massage. His standard rate for massage is $80. I've negotiated a rate with him at $150. Why? Because I think he's worth it and I want him to know that. And because at that rate, he's eager to get together and, at times, has slightly re-arranged his schedule so we could get together.

 

So, in this case, he earns almost double what he normally would and I get an increased chance of being able to get together. That's a win-win I'm happy with. So negotiations by no means are always designed to cut prices; there can often be other goals instead.

 

:-)

BG

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Sorry guys but I can't ride this bus as far as you...

 

>

>> You can get a $15 haircut, or a $40 cut. Both use approx

>>the same time, and same materials, but the skill of the

>>provider determines price.

 

I don't believe this one for a moment. Just like wine there is no strong corrleation between price and quality or skill. Excellent wine can be had at a high price and so can shitty wine. And some of the best wine I have had has been very reasonably priced.

 

The only time you can be sure of a quality/price balance is from a fully representive sample, directly or indirectly before you buy. Since it is unlikely that one will get a direct representative sample of the service from the escort prior to commitment, the closest indirect sample is an accurate review which may be of limited value since the experience is highly subjective varying from individual to indivdual.

 

>Since a good haircut is somewhat

>>subjective, like an escort's looks or sexuality, I cannot

>>really place a price.

 

I agree but I can place a value on it to me -- which in the end is what matters.

 

The provider probably set a price

>>that he thinks he is worth compared to what he/she has seen

>>in the industry.

 

I have to question the perception of value by some. In the end it is mine that counts most to me.

 

In a sense, to ask for a discount would

>>be to deny their abilities.

 

No, you are possibly denying the value they place on their service not their abilities. But you might not even be doing that, rather just recongizing the value to you of a limited ephemeral experience with them . If I engage a heart surgeon at conisiderable expenditure what will I have to show for it in a year? Now if I engage an escort at considerable (albeit much less) expenditure what will I have to show for that in a year?

 

>Time in service will not

>>always yield a better product with escorts, and infact,

>>could work the other way.

 

The same is true with wine and the barrel... but what does this say that we can use in our quest -- nothing really it seems to me.

>

>That's a really good analogy that puts its finger on a lot.

>

Well, maybe and maybe not...

 

>>

>>I do find it curious when an escort cannot give a reason for

>>his premium pricing. If he was really that good, and

>>received accolades from his clientele, he should be able to

>>articulate why he is worth top dollar. Without a good

>>response, I figure it is just jumping on the "upscale"

>>escort cliche and its price points.

>

>Not sure I get this one.

 

Neither to do I. If he can answer it then it is a big plus for me because the guy has a good answer or better can articulate a winning response on the spot. I like my escorts smart and articulate -- BIG PLUS.

 

>Maybe he's

>just not used to answering the question point blank?

 

If he cannot then maybe he hasn't been confronted with it before and is unprepared to respond. So he doesn't get the BIG PLUS but he doesn't necessarily deserve a big minus either.

 

>I know a local escort, a very nice guy who hasn't been doing

>it long, but is already charging $350/hour and apparently

>guys are happily lining up to pay it. He's in his early

>twenties, very handsome, tall, well-spoken and super-hunky

>with a huge cock. His reviews have been superlative, a

>number of them by five-time reviewers, etc. Now maybe

>because I knew this kid before either one of us started

>escorting, if I sat down and stewed over it I might be

>thinking, sheesh, this guy is hot but no way is he two and a

>third times hotter than me, two and a third times better in

>bed, two and a third times more interesting, etc. I mean,

>if we did a trade I'd still owe him $200! :+

 

An example of why I started this thread.

 

 

Some

>intangible "je ne sais quoi" will either make this guy worth

>the $350 or not.

 

Didn't the Pointer Sisters do this one?? :+

[Guest TruthTeller]

>It’s absurd to hear how demeaning and low-class some of you

>think escorts are worth. It’s also disgusting to know that

>you believe escorts are worth only $150 at best.

 

You have a poll on your website asking how much a person would be willing to pay for an hour with an escort. After looking at your pictures and reviewing your website, a substantial number of respondents (979) voted as follows:

 

$150 46%

$250 19%

$300 8%

$500 3%

Don't hire 24%

 

Thus, by far the largest number of people visiting your website (46%)are, according to you, "disgusting," since they think you're only worth $150/hour. Another 24% think you're worth nothing, which means that 70% of the people visiting your website and looking at your pics think that you're worth either $150/hour or nothing.

 

I guess the market - after looking at your pics - is pretty clear about what it's willing to pay you.

 

And the reason I visited that web site of yours was because you claimed in the shaving thread that you don't do that, but all your pics look like you take daily baths of Nair. What's the story with that?

[Guest JoeyHart]

Oh TruthTeller -

 

Perhaps you should change your name to "NeedsGlasses".

 

The poll on my site is no reflection on me. The poll asks simply what would you pay for 1 hr with "an escort", not what you would pay for "Joey Hart"...duh!

 

And my post stands.

 

Also, as for the photos on my site, if you had read my post clearly (which is why I suggest the name change) I mentioned that I shave my body for photosets which is what those pics are of...duh!

 

Go back, try again.

[Guest TruthTeller]

>Oh TruthTeller -

>

>Perhaps you should change your name to "NeedsGlasses".

 

Good one.

 

>The poll on my site is no reflection on me. The poll asks

>simply what would you pay for 1 hr with "an escort", not

>what you would pay for "Joey Hart"...duh!

 

So this is an entire web site devoted to you, drenched with pictures of you, promoting your services as an escort, but you think that when you ask them how much they'd be willing to pay to spend time with an escort, their answers have nothing to do with you?

 

In any event, given that you said it was "digusting" for someone to value an escort's services at $150/hr., I was just trying to bring to your attention the fact that this includes the vast majority of people who participated in your poll.

 

>Also, as for the photos on my site, if you had read my post

>clearly (which is why I suggest the name change) I mentioned

>that I shave my body for photosets which is what those pics

>are of...duh!

 

Given that you seem to have pictures of yourself from every month of your life for the last 50 or so, when exactly are you unshaven? And it's so hot the way you keep saying "duh!"

[Guest JoeyHart]

Yeah you want me...I can tell.

 

[Guest alanm]

TT has too much time on his hands. I agree with Joey that negotiating the price is usually a mistake. Go ahead if you only plan to see the escort once, he can only say no. But, if you want to see the escort again, or many times, it's a mistake because the relationship got off to a bad start. I wonder if Boston Guy ever had a conversation with any first-rate escort about how they fix their rates and negotiating is unlikely to work (and become very, very time consuming for the escort.)

[Guest TruthTeller]

>Yeah you want me...I can tell.

 

I don't know about all that, but I'll admit to finding those videos of you jerking off which you have on your website to be fucking hot. I'll vote for $250 now.

 

And, for entertainment value, few things can beat those "Joey Hart speaks" video clips, where, naked but earnest, you opine on various topics.

[Boston Guy]

>I

>wonder if Boston Guy ever had a conversation with any

>first-rate escort about how they fix their rates and

>negotiating is unlikely to work (and become very, very time

>consuming for the escort.)

 

Alan -

 

Over the past five or six years, I've probably hired on average someplace around a half-dozen escorts per month, with another two or three masseurs thrown in. I've spoken with hundreds, if not thousands of escorts, from totally unknown guys who were just starting out to "name" escorts.

 

I'm not trying to convince anyone to follow any specific way of talking to escorts or hiring an escort. Instead, I've simply described what has worked for me. And it has worked well for me.

 

With very little time per conversation, I've been able to determine which guys I wanted to hire and which ones I didn't. I've had countless fun experiences and only a very, very few negative ones -- all of which occurred with someone who had misrepresented himself in one way or another. I often hire escorts repeatedly and I don't think I've ever had an escort not express interest in getting together again; on the contrary, guys pretty much always tell me that they would like to hook up again whenever that turns out to be possible.

 

I treat escorts just I treat everyone else in my life, with respect. And I believe that they are satisfied with the financial nature of our get-togethers as well.

 

So it works for me. It might not work for you or anyone else. That's ok, there are lots of ways of slicing and dicing life.

 

In terms of your question above, I've spoken with lots of "first-rate" escorts, if by that term you mean well-known, name escorts. It's been my experience that some guys have a set rate schedule and don't deviate from it; other guys are sometimes the first party to mention a negotiated rate. I haven't seen much difference in this between well-known escorts and the others.

 

The one difference that I have found is that when escorts become well-known, they often lose that sense of eagerness and fun that often characterizes younger escorts and instead develop a kind of arrogance that I find can be quite tedious. Instead of giving the impression that they are eager to meet a new client, sometimes they take on a kind of "well, you should thank your lucky stars that you even have the chance to meet me" attitude. In those cases, I try to stay as far away as possible.

 

Each client has to figure out what they're comfortable with. The same goes for escorts. If escorts are uncomfortable discussing rates, they can make that clear right away -- and some do. Whether that approach affects their bottom line positively or negatively is really only their concern.

 

BG

[Guest LiLBlondBoy]

I think you raised some interesting points here boston...And I to agree...personally..my 1rst hour is 250 2nd 200

 

but this is to encourage more personalized settings where 2 people can learn a bit of each other and be completely comfortable, as can be seen by daily rates

(a signifigantly lower 800.00 overnight 1200 2days)

 

= less risks

= better service (getting to know your companion goes a long way in knowing what is liked/disliked)

which is resulted from better communicatin ...and communication is initiated with negotiation...

 

so what you say seems perfectly logical to me

 

Christopher

[Guest LiLBlondBoy]

I think you raised some interesting points here boston...And I to agree...personally..my 1rst hour is 250 2nd 200

 

but this is to encourage more personalized settings where 2 people can learn a bit of each other and be completely comfortable, as can be seen by daily rates

(a signifigantly lower 800.00 overnight 1200 2days)

 

= less risks

= better service (getting to know your companion goes a long way in knowing what is liked/disliked)

which is resulted from better communicatin ...and communication is initiated with negotiation...

 

so what you say seems perfectly logical to me

 

Christopher

[Guest LiLBlondBoy]

heya bilbo...i didn't know u were into leather!

 

ME TOO!

 

if u haven't seen my homepage...check it out if u like

http://www.rentaboy18.freehomepage.com

 

go to photo3page (link in upper left corner of page)

Just thought i'd say what';s up!

 

chris

[Bilbo]

For all you voyeurs, I was naughty and answered this sexy boy's note privately. Shuckydarnettas, I'm sure. ;-)

[Guest Kenny021]

"Everyone always has a lot to say, some way too much and spew needlessly their overly dramatic opinions about what they think, so if you’re going to respond to this post (which I know you will), please keep it short; scrolling through pages of winded gasbags gets boring.

 

Yeah it's me...Joey Hart"

 

OK...hope this is brief enough for you and all the "WINDED GASBAGS" out there who read this.

 

Now we know why Joey Hart is such a wonderful escort and gets MARVELOUS reviews from all his clients, especially the client who was bitching about Joey's "no show" a couple of weeks ago.

[Guest cp8036]

<..The only time you can be sure of a quality/price balance is from a fully representive sample, directly or indirectly before you buy. Since it is unlikely that one will get a direct representative sample of the service from the escort prior to commitment, the closest indirect sample is an accurate review which may be of limited value since the experience is highly subjective varying from individual to indivdual...>

 

 

TY

This is quite true. You can often get a shitty bottle of wine for a high price. A higher price does not necessarily indicate a high level of quality or satisfaction. Like you mentioned, TY, you cannot determine such things before you buy.

 

There are a lot of embellishments out there with escorts. I wonder if there are many escorts that deduct years from their age, and add inches to the cock??? I think it happened to me once... When they lie about imperical data such as this, I cannot help to think they stretch the truth about subjective things such as how passionate and fun-loving they are.

 

Unfortunately some bad or mediocre escorts make false claims (size, looks, abilities) to get a good rate, but cannot deliver. It may be the claims were total lies or the "are human -- and just had a bad day" response. But, of course a client should never make an issue of this, and should be honored to still pay 100% of a rate for less than what was agreed upon.

 

 

<...I agree but I can place a value on it to me -- which in the end is what matters...>

 

True as well, value will not be the same to every guy. If an escort feels he is worth $350, more power to him. I could never value an hour with an escort at $350, regardless of how hot he is. That is my value placed on such encounters, based on my need to even hire someone, and my cash flow. I would not even approach such an escort, as it is beyond reasonable for me. I am sure he is good, and there are enough men out there that do agree with his pricing/value.

 

Devon,

Who is Obe-won?? I don't manipulate the phone call to get favorable rates. He offers, sometimes I accept, sometimes decline. I accepted his rates as paid before, he chooses to offer a lower one-time break.

[Bilbo]

Who is Obi-Wan Kenobi? I cannot believe that anyone needed to ask that! Sheesh! It is, to me, one of the more recognizable pop cultural references made here in a while. :+

 

He is a major character in the Star Wars sagas. In the first movie, Episode 5 - The New Hope, he is seen taking control of a couple of minor soldiers' minds with a wave of his hand.

 

LOL - Sorry if I let you startle me into being rude. I really didn't mean to be. :7

[Guest cp8036]

Thanks Bil,

 

Sorry for being unprepared for class today I never seen many of the Star Wars movies.

 

At an early age I was a John Waters fan.