Questions for "Rod" Hagen

[Guest LG320126]

Actually Blink, what Rod or any of these other escorts do for a living is none of your business any more than it is to others what you do for a living.

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: Questions for

 

Well, I have 6 years of college and prior to entering the sex industry I had worked in retail management positions which paid quite well. But, I hated it! That's the #1 reason I left my job. Like Matt,

I was 28 years old when I got into this business.

 

It's hard for some people to believe that anyone who is capable of doing a "real" job would choose this profession. First of all, I think that is a myth especially among more mature escorts of which there are quite a few. The Escort of the Year will most likely be someone who is in their 30's.

 

There seem to be some people who WANT to see all escorts as damaged

human beings because they can't wrap their narrow minds around the idea that someone would knowingly choose this profession. To me, this sort of mindset has more to do with them than me. It says alot about how they really feel about escorts and about themselves.

 

Jeff

jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest pickwick]

>Actually Blink, what Rod or any of these other escorts do

>for a living is none of your business any more than it is to

>others what you do for a living.

 

Actually LG, what Rod and the other escorts do for a living is the reason they participate in this message board. No one is forcing them to participate or to talk about the issue I raised. They do it only if and as they choose to. And if they choose to do it, others have every right to give their opinions about it. That's the whole point of this and every other message board, remember?

[Guest pickwick]

RE: answers from Matt Vancouver

 

>>Who are the others?

>

>Two right here.

 

Thanks for responding. In what fields of study were your multiple degrees earned?

[Guest LG320126]

>>Actually Blink, what Rod or any of these other escorts do

>>for a living is none of your business any more than it is to

>>others what you do for a living.

>

>Actually LG, what Rod and the other escorts do for a living

>is the reason they participate in this message board. No

>one is forcing them to participate or to talk about the

>issue I raised. They do it only if and as they choose to.

>And if they choose to do it, others have every right to give

>their opinions about it. That's the whole point of this and

>every other message board, remember?

 

 

Yes, Pick, I remember. My reply was addressed to Blink's comment as follows: <Rod, you need to wake up and get a real job.>

And my comment still holds - Rod's choice of professions is none of Blink's damn business.

[MiamiLooker]

RE: Questions for

 

Jeff,

How would you feel about your sister, brother, mother, or father choosing escorting as a profession?

[Guest soccerstud]

There is an underlying wrong, negative message in so many of the above posts: That being an escort (OK, prostitute) is wrong if you have any other means of support. What bullshit! So many of the escorts I have met (including Rod) obviously enjoy what they do and provide a meaningful service to their clients. Some asshole's judgment that a person is doing "something less than he's capable of doing" just because he escorts is simply that person's bs value judgment.

If you think that escorts are beneath you (so to speak), then go find a teacher or a doctor or a president to fuck.

As to Rod, yes he has an attitude. (If you want a bland nothing, then go elsewhere.) But he's bright, funny and totally client-oriented. Probably the best sex I've had. And a great person to get to know BECAUSE he's intelligent and can challenge in ways other than pounding you to pleasure.

Maybe when each client writes something nasty, it whould be required that he include a description of his job so we can all evaluate how worthwhile his observations are.

Accept people for who they are; not what they are.

[Donnie]

dumb stupid pickwick

 

>Rod, you are one of the few escorts (or clients) to post

>here regularly who seems interested in discussing subjects

>other than prostitution and being gay. I appreciate that.

 

Oh how nice, he appreciates that. Can someone please explain to this moron of zero intelligence that the name of this website is http://www.male4malescorts.com, otherwise known as "Hooboy's Male 4 Male Escort Reviews"? Can someone also show him the Attack on America conference, Daddy's place, and current threads in the Lounge such as "Do you still believe there is a god?", "A question for you American History Buffs", "What's the scoop on Guiliani?" "How cosmopolitan are you?", "Year end movies!!!" and "Pop up advertising"? These are not archived threads. They all appear on page one of the Lounge today. One has to wonder why humorless pickwick is a regular reader and poster here. Are there no other websites on the entire world wide web that will allow poor pickwick to join?

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: Questions for

 

Well, it has been rewarding on many levels for me, so I would give them all the advice I could to get them off to a good start. I think it would be great because we'd have something in common to discuss.

They can't deal with the whole gay/hooker thing. It just doesn't fit into their fragile belief system. I understand this now. I didn't when I was younger. I know now that it's enough to just be myself and

that does include the gay/hooker thing. I now have real relationships with people who love me for who I am not who they wish me to be. Unconditional love found me when I decided to live my life in the Truth and not one of illusion.

 

JEFF

jeff4hire@aol.com

[+ Lucky]

RE: d... s..... pickwick

 

Donnie

That was a good point. There are numerous topics here, but all the escorts do not join in on them.

Your point would have been just as well made if you had not called pickwick a dumb, stupid moron.

This thread about Rod and escorts has been going well, with some real good points being made. I'd like to see your good point too, just without the name calling.

Lucky

[Rick Munroe]

RE: answers from Rick

 

>Thanks for responding. In what fields of study were your

>multiple degrees earned?

 

One is a bachelor's in something we didn't like but did to please Mom & Dad; one is a master's in something we loved. I don't care to tell you the "fields of study" any more than I'm sure you want to post a picture of your ass here! I was valedictorian in high school, and graduated summa cum laude from a prestigious university. That having been said, I find it highly gratifying to be a smart person masquerading as "dumb." I get a big charge out of it. I'm sure you find the opposite to be true, too. }>

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>I don't usually take what escorts say about themselves at

>face value, but assuming that what you've said about your

>educational and professional background is true you are also

>one of the few escorts I've heard of who could have a real

>career (I don't count folding shirts at Structure, giving

>massages or tending bar as careers).

 

Pickwick -- I think you might be failing to take into account some recent phenomena which have permanently diversified the world of escorting, not least the Internet and the culturally significant fact that people change jobs and careers many more times in their lives than ever before. I'm amazed at how many people in San Francisco I've met who used to escort, and it doesn't seem terribly central to their ideas about who they are. They certainly don't seem like any one "type" of person. They think of themselves much more in relation to their current professions (white collar, in most cases). The themes Rod touched on in the thread he dedicated to replying to you -- making time for other priorities, wanting work for oneself, enjoying sex with a wide variety of partners, craving the ego boost -- they resonate with, and appeal to, people of all different types of career or income earning potential.

[+ Lucky]

RE: answers from Rick

 

DUH!

[+ Lucky]

RE: answers from Rick

 

You graduated from Larry Flynt Community College cum loud, not cum laude! Read the damn degree again!

[Rick Munroe]

RE: answers from Rick

 

>You graduated from Larry Flynt Community College cum loud

 

Hey, I don't only cum loud; I'm a pretty loud moaner all the way there. Ask my neighbors. ;-)

[+ Lucky]

RE: answers from Rick

 

I WAS your neighbor! Why do you think we moved! ANd you wouldn't have been valedictorian if that othr kid hadn't flunked autofellatio.

[Boston Guy]

>Rod, you are one of the few escorts (or clients) to post

>here regularly who seems interested in discussing subjects

>other than prostitution and being gay. I appreciate that.

>

>I don't usually take what escorts say about themselves at

>face value, but assuming that what you've said about your

>educational and professional background is true you are also

>one of the few escorts I've heard of who could have a real

>career (I don't count folding shirts at Structure, giving

>massages or tending bar as careers). So why don't you?

>Didn't you once post that you started escorting part time

>while you were in a relationship, that you lied to your

>partner about it and almost lost him, and that you

>ultimately gave up your engineering work to be a prostitute

>full time? What is it about being a prostitute that you

>find so attractive that you would give up a real career and

>risk losing a relationship in order to do it?

 

P:

 

I think several things may be happening in our culture, all at the same time:

 

1. In at least some urban areas, it feels like more and more college students are escorting and then continuing on after graduation, at least for some period of time. In LA, for example, many college-age guys seem to end up with friends who have done some escorting and, through them, discovered that there's a lot of money to be made for a relatively small time and energy investment.

 

2. At the same time, attitudes in the college-age crowd about escorting seem to have shifted somewhat away from scorn and revulsion toward viewing it as almost something that's kind of cool.

 

3. In many cases, recent college grads seem to feel less urgency to get on with their careers immediately and may be more willing to think about alternative things to do, at least for a few years.

 

Taken together, it's not surprising that at least some smart young guys are realizing that they can make ten times more money escorting than they can at most other jobs open to them at this stage of their lives -- money that can finance either a fairly lavish lifestyle for a twenty-something, pay tuition for grad school, or whatever -- and do so while leaving themselves a great deal of free time for other interests.

 

These young escorts who are bright, interesting and educated may or may not be a new breed. But they certainly seem to be popping up in greater and greater numbers.

 

BG

[Guest 7Zach]

I agree with Tampa that attitudes towards escorting have changed somewhat, but I could be wrong, and the old view is the same, and it's just that I changed.

But a couple of comments: often the icons in the gay world at large are porn stars. To the straight world, and to my thinking too, that's pretty weird.

I've used escorts on and off for years. But cuz gay sex is often so casual, the leap to sex for hire from either the escort's or the client's view to me is not just not that big a deal. The same is true for escorts - I think it is often pretty well just accepted now as a choice with a neutral take than it was 20 years ago when it was veiwed a little more negatively, or at least amongst the people I knew. And clearly, like porn starts, certain escorts seem to have developed a following among some people.

But if you read Rod's posts, and others, they've made a conscious decision, and being rational, their reasons make sense. Shamus' statements in his email made sense too. To me the crux of this: this line of work makes sense if you view the occupation of sex worker as as positive or neutral as opposed to something "bad" or negative.

Several have posted here on what they achieved, either in the short run, or the long run, based on their work. Either they did it for some sort of bridge, or for a longer time, but in either case, it helped in their goals at the time for most of them. True, the costs emotionally to the escorts was different to each.

I for one appreciated Rod's response, and followed his logic. I haven't found him to be an asshole on this board... instead, I thought he came off bright and made sense in explaining his choice. He seems to have a better time doing what he does than a lot of us do in our work, and I imagine he makes as much or more than a lot of the people here.

[Matt_Vancouver]

RE: answers from Matt Vancouver

 

Not that it's of any relevance to being a good cocksucker.

Major, Marketing and Public Relations

Managed several music retail shops for six years.

Yup, retail, damn you're right, Rod is the only person who qualifies, other than Rick 'n Derek, jeffoh, a couple of escorts in Toronto and I guess that's it.

Matt(stoopid stoopid stoopid, banging my head against the desk)

[Guest Stephan-Lacoste]

Lol that is a good one, I did not think that way but yeah you are right , let's talk about " fucking " }>

[Guest DevonSFescort]

RE: answers from Rick

 

>I find it highly gratifying to be a smart person

>masquerading as "dumb." I get a big charge out of it. I'm

>sure you find the opposite to be true, too.

 

Doh! Game, set and match to Mr. Munroe...

 

Pickwick's attitude, annoying as it is, does have the virtue of boosting our fortunes. When I hear a client say, with surprise in his voice, "You're so articulate!" all I can think is "Cha-ching, cha-ching..." Of course, that's not what I say out loud. Usually it's something like, "Don't talk with your mouth full!" }>

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: answers from Rick

 

>I find it highly gratifying to be a smart person

>masquerading as "dumb." I get a big charge out of it. I'm

>sure you find the opposite to be true, too. }>

 

Nobody can accuse you of being a toothless whore!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

[Guest spendlove]

>These young escorts who are bright, interesting and educated

>may or may not be a new breed. But they certainly seem to

>be popping up in greater and greater numbers.

 

I wish you would tell me where you are finding these increasing numbers of bright, interesting and educated kids who are for sale. My experience has been exactly the opposite. When I go to the major escort ad sites I generally see the same people I have seen on that site and on other sites in the past, plenty of whom are not even in business any longer since their contact information doesn't work.

 

For example, I sometimes visit South Florida on business and always consult the ads in Hotspots, which is the major gay magazine in Miami. I can't even remember the last time I saw anyone new or interesting listed. It's pretty much the same people month after month.

[Guest spendlove]

RE: dumb stupid pickwick

 

>>Rod, you are one of the few escorts (or clients) to post

>>here regularly who seems interested in discussing subjects

>>other than prostitution and being gay. I appreciate that.

>

>Oh how nice, he appreciates that. Can someone please

>explain to this moron of zero intelligence that the name of

>this website is http://www.male4malescorts.com, otherwise known as

>"Hooboy's Male 4 Male Escort Reviews"?

 

 

Frankly I find Pick's posts a lot more intelligent and interesting than yours, most of which are dedicated to insulting other people and don't contain any information, just plenty of bile. From some remarks other posters have made about you recently I can tell I'm not the only one who has this opinion. Tampa Yankee's suggestion to you about Preparation H made an especially vivid impression.

 

Those of us who can read English note that Pick didn't say there are no threads about things other than prostitution and being gay, just that relatively few posters seem interested in discussing those other things. I agree.

[Guest pickwick]

RE: answers from Rick

 

>>Thanks for responding. In what fields of study were your

>>multiple degrees earned?

>

>One is a bachelor's in something we didn't like but did to

>please Mom & Dad; one is a master's in something we loved.

>I don't care to tell you the "fields of study" any more than

>I'm sure you want to post a picture of your ass here! I

>was valedictorian in high school, and graduated summa cum

>laude from a prestigious university. That having been said,

>I find it highly gratifying to be a smart person

>masquerading as "dumb." I get a big charge out of it. I'm

>sure you find the opposite to be true, too. }>

 

I don't really care about your degrees or about your ass, Rick. I just asked about the degrees because you chose to bring them up in the middle of a conversation I was having with someone else. I learned all I need to know about your intelligence from the argument you had with Nice Guy. :-)