Rick Munroe, a Postscript , Escort or Hustler

[Donnie]

>Who on one hand don't

>trust an Escort as far as they can throw him

 

Someone should throw NG face first into a pile of his own excrement.

[+ Unicorn]

>>Just because I haven't

>>changed my mind doesn't mean I'm repeating myself.

>

>You've typed the phrase "Rick had weeks' notice each time"

>ad infinitum in almost every one of your posts on these 2

>threads. Go back to the original thread & count them. And

>read Rick's post #46 again. He never mentions how much

>notice he was given.

 

Rick made two postings after NG asserted he gave weeks' notice each time. Obviously, the amount of notice he gave is absolutely central to the discussion. Rick disputed some irrelevant parts of NG's account (i.e. whether the $1200 was a full payment or a deposit, or whether there were two cancellations or three). It makes no sense that he wouldn't dispute a critical part of the story, and he's had ample opportunity.

[Guest IM_Moore]

Nice Guy does this mean that you won't be voting for Rick as escort of the year?

[Guest Hungman9]

Hey stupid, I said you were repeating what you'd already said, you said you weren't, I showed you that you were, and your response is to just repeat yourself AGAIN? I can't continue this as you obviously aren't very bright.

[Guest Nice Guy]

ok TRUTH TELLER

Here is but ONE of the many Emails from Mr. Munroe... you will see that HE declined to come to Seattle or Palm Springs....

 

 

 

Date: 3/28/2001 9:26:12 PM Pacific Standard Time

From: EscortRickMunroe

To: JW1424

 

hey John...so many options, my head is spinning!

Sorry your plans have changed...thanks for suggesting i keep the deposit..that was very nice. We kind of need to stay in NYC for the next few months so as much as we'd love to see Seattle & PS, I think we should go with Option A (NYC)...since Brett also wants to come here to see family, etc. So...that's my decision. Let me know what you think!

RICK (& DEREK)

[Guest Nice Guy]

and TRUTH TELLER... here is another one....

 

Date: 4/21/2001 1:14:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time

From: EscortRickMunroe

To: JW1424

 

I'm sorry you got the wrong impression. I never make promises and I am not a hustler. If I were, I would have just said "yes" to anything you asked.

Please give me your address and your name, and your $ will be returned. I told you once before it is not my practice to take money I have not earned.

If you wish to hire Derek, you may contact him directly.

Thank you.

[+ nycman]

>Final word.

>Nice Guy

 

If ONLY!

[+ Unicorn]

Don't if you don't want to. I can't answer your response without an explanation. You brought up the length of notice. I'm just showing why the reasoning is flawed. It seems like a simple concept. You're the one who keeps repeating himself.

[Guest pickwick]

I'm sorry I overlooked your thread. Had I seen it earlier I would have responded earlier.

 

I think the one post you should pay attention to is that of Boston Guy, one of the few relatively evenhanded posters here. As he pointed out, the reason so many posters are trashing you is that Rick is popular on this site. It has nothing to do with the merits of your case. If the problem you had was with Anthony Holloway or some escort less favored by the regulars on this message board, you would have gotten a very different reception.

 

I don't know what Rick's intentions were, but I still know of no reason why he did not at some point simply tell you that he would not deal with you further unless you agreed to pay a substantial cancellation fee, thus giving you the opportunity to make an informed decision. Other service providers inform customers of their refund and cancellation policies in advance. I see no reason why an escort shouldn't be able to do this. After all, we are constantly being told how smart and educated many of these guys are. That is especially true of Rick, who has told us that he has undergraduate and graduate degrees from prestigious institutions and is a very smart person.

 

If there is some way you can send the emails you spoke of to my mailbox on this site, I would be happy to read them. TruthTeller claimed to have gotten them from some source and I asked him to send them to my mailbox weeks ago, but he never did. That is exactly what he accused you of doing in his post above. What a coincidence.

[Donnie]

People responded the way they did because John Williams is a fucking moron and it had nothing to do with Rick's popularity. The fact that you are bringing up this dead topic again shows what a sad pathetic mess you are. What's the matter, had enough rimming & hepatitus chat?

[Guest DanNYC23]

>I don't know what Rick's intentions were, but I still know

>of no reason why he did not at some point simply tell you

>that he would not deal with you further unless you agreed to

>pay a substantial cancellation fee, thus giving you the

>opportunity to make an informed decision. Other service

>providers inform customers of their refund and cancellation

>policies in advance. I see no reason why an escort

>shouldn't be able to do this. After all, we are constantly

>being told how smart and educated many of these guys are.

>That is especially true of Rick, who has told us that he has

>undergraduate and graduate degrees from prestigious

>institutions and is a very smart person.

>

>If there is some way you can send the emails you spoke of to

>my mailbox on this site, I would be happy to read them.

>TruthTeller claimed to have gotten them from some source and

>I asked him to send them to my mailbox weeks ago, but he

>never did. That is exactly what he accused you of doing in

>his post above. What a coincidence.

>

Well, sir, I enjoy your opinions. You have set your mind, and everything is filtered through that mindset. Totally human, I say; however, when verbalizing, I try to refrain from sneers and whines. Refraining from whines and sneers enhances your message and makes it more understandable, palatable, and believable. As is, your positions seem stated from an emotional place, which, in debate, is a foundation made principally of shift, shaky ground.

 

As for why Rick didn't notify the client of his policies, I wonder if he'd ever run into this kind of situation before. If so, and if he'd been caught short before, then yes, he should have a boilerplate written up that he can deliver. If this is the first 2-year, drawn-out, client-driven deal he's ever done, maybe he'll learn from this experience and develop said boilerplate, and then supply it for free or a small fee to his colleagues to send to all their potential clients.

 

When I make an appointment with Rick upon his return from CA, I'll suggest this. And gladly sign it.

Dananders

[Guest pickwick]

Donnie, I have some very bad news for you. I just scraped one of your close relatives off the bottom of my shoe. Sorry about that.

[Guest pickwick]

>however, when verbalizing, I try to refrain

>from sneers and whines. Refraining from whines and sneers

>enhances your message and makes it more understandable,

>palatable, and believable.

 

If so, it's a pity you were not able to meet that goal in your post above, which contains both sneers and whines. Better luck next time.

 

>As is, your positions seem stated

>from an emotional place, which, in debate, is a foundation

>made principally of shift, shaky ground.

 

Please come back and talk to us again after you've mastered English.

 

>As for why Rick didn't notify the client of his policies, I

>wonder if he'd ever run into this kind of situation before.

 

Since he claims to have told NG that it was not his "policy" (that was his word, not mine) to accept deposits from clients, it seems clear that he had run into this kind of situation before. I suppose you "forgot" about that part of Rick's story.

 

>If so, and if he'd been caught short before, then yes, he

>should have a boilerplate written up that he can deliver. If

>this is the first 2-year, drawn-out, client-driven deal he's

>ever done, maybe he'll learn from this experience and

>develop said boilerplate, and then supply it for free or a

>small fee to his colleagues to send to all their potential

>clients.

 

Putting aside your sarcastic nonsense, which is all that one can do with it, the question remains: if Rick thought charging a cancellation fee was reasonable in the circumstances, why didn't he simply mention that at some point in the many time-consuming discussions he claims to have had with NG? Surely this simple action would have occurred to such an educated and intelligent person at some point. At some point before the situation degenerated into a dispute in which one party began calling the other a thief and the other began calling him a blackmailer, I mean.

[Guest DanNYC23]

>>however, when verbalizing, I try to refrain

>>from sneers and whines. Refraining from whines and sneers

>>enhances your message and makes it more understandable,

>>palatable, and believable.

>

>If so, it's a pity you were not able to meet that goal in

>your post above, which contains both sneers and whines.

>Better luck next time.

Ok, point to the sneer and the whine, except as they reflect your own.

>

>>As is, your positions seem stated

>>from an emotional place, which, in debate, is a foundation

>>made principally of shift, shaky ground.

>

>Please come back and talk to us again after you've mastered

>English.

 

Ok, I missed this one. I meant, "shifty, shaky ground." If you see other ungrammatical moments, let me know.

>

>>As for why Rick didn't notify the client of his policies, I

>>wonder if he'd ever run into this kind of situation before.

>

>Since he claims to have told NG that it was not his "policy"

>(that was his word, not mine) to accept deposits from

>clients, it seems clear that he had run into this kind of

>situation before. I suppose you "forgot" about that part of

>Rick's story.

>"Well", I think to myself, "I did notice that Rick does have a policy," I continue, "duly stated up front, that he doesn't 'accept' deposits. And," I furher note, "he made that clear to the client, who insisted on sending the deposit and who, on numerous occasions, insisted that Rick keep it." I surmise, therefore, that Rick's policy, at the "moment" of contact with this "client," didn't include, or take into "account," the possibility of a multiyear "engagement." I agree: Rick should have been forearmed in this area. Better luck to him next "time".

 

>>If so, and if he'd been caught short before, then yes, he

>>should have a boilerplate written up that he can deliver. If

>>this is the first 2-year, drawn-out, client-driven deal he's

>>ever done, maybe he'll learn from this experience and

>>develop said boilerplate, and then supply it for free or a

>>small fee to his colleagues to send to all their potential

>>clients.

>

>Putting aside your sarcastic nonsense, which is all that one

>can do with it, the question remains: if Rick thought

>charging a cancellation fee was reasonable in the

>circumstances, why didn't he simply mention that at some

>point in the many time-consuming discussions he claims to

>have had with NG? Surely this simple action would have

>occurred to such an educated and intelligent person at some

>point. At some point before the situation degenerated into

>a dispute in which one party began calling the other a thief

>and the other began calling him a blackmailer, I mean.

>

Seems to me, somewher in the time-consuming discussions, there was made an offer of 600 dollars, in the direction from Rick to NiceGuy, who refused the offer.

 

A tangent:

 

I've shopped at Syms, a local discount retailer in NYC, for many years. Their pitch is pointed towards the "educated" consumer. I have a BA degree, so I guess I fit into their customer profile. But when I shop there, I don't expect to be engaged in lofty, BA-, MA-, or PhD-level discussions with the salespeople. I expect them to be able to sell me a suit, a pair of pants, or a shirt. And, since the ultimate purchasing choice is up to me, I invariably leave satisfied. If I were hoping to leave not only with a shirt that was comfortable and that fit well, but also armed with insight gained from a soul-enhancing, intellectually challenging discussion, I doubt that I would be a satisfied customer. So, to say that one expects a person that one hires on an hourly basis to satisy a multitude of needs is silly, unless one states, from the get go, that one wants a blow job, a pit lick, and a deconstruction of Sartres, Larry Kramer, or N*Sync.

 

In other words, get off the high horse and enjoy the hobby: boys!

Dananders

[Guest pickwick]

>Ok, point to the sneer and the whine, except as they reflect

>your own.

 

Please translate the above into English.

 

>Ok, I missed this one. I meant, "shifty, shaky ground." If

>you see other ungrammatical moments, let me know.

 

If you wish, but my rate for correcting boring essays like yours is $700.00 each hour or fraction thereof.

 

>>"Well", I think to myself, "I did notice that Rick does have a policy," I continue, "duly stated up front, that he doesn't 'accept' deposits. And," I furher note,

 

We are not talking about the "fuhrer." That will be $700.00.

 

 

"he made that clear to the client, who insisted on sending the deposit and who, on numerous occasions, insisted that Rick keep it." I surmise, therefore, that Rick's policy, at the "moment" of contact with this "client," didn't include, or take into "account," the possibility of a multiyear "engagement." I agree: Rick should have been forearmed in this area. Better luck to him next "time".

 

If Rick didn't want to be involved in a multiyear engagement, why didn't he simply put a stop to it long before that? After three months, for example. Or four. Or five. Or six. He could have done so at any time. But he didn't.

 

 

>Seems to me, somewher in the time-consuming discussions,

>there was made an offer of 600 dollars, in the direction

>from Rick to NiceGuy, who refused the offer.

 

It seems to me that NG made an different offer long before that, an offer that Rick refused.

 

>I've shopped at Syms, a local discount retailer in NYC, for

>many years.

 

Oy!

 

 

>Their pitch is pointed towards the "educated"

>consumer. I have a BA degree, so I guess I fit into their

>customer profile. But when I shop there, I don't expect to

>be engaged in lofty, BA-, MA-, or PhD-level discussions with

>the salespeople. I expect them to be able to sell me a suit,

>a pair of pants, or a shirt. And, since the ultimate

>purchasing choice is up to me, I invariably leave satisfied.

 

Do you expect them to tell you about their refund and exchange policy before you purchase? You should, since New York law requires this. And do you expect them to live up to what they tell you? For example, if you pay for the suit and leave it to be altered after being told that alterations are free, do you expect them to demand later that you pay for alterations and refuse to release the suit until you do? I would think not. But that is analogous to the behavior you are endorsing here.

 

>In other words, get off the high horse and enjoy the hobby:

>boys!

 

I realize you don't understand the issues that some of us are discussing in the threads about this dispute. But you shouldn't tell us that we have no right to discuss them. If you think the discussion is pointless, don't join it. None of us is going to take orders from you about what we can discuss.