HOW ESCORTS AND CLIENTS TREAT EACHOTHER....

[Guest Gentle Dude]

>Being decent,considerate, and kind on both parts is the only way to go... it has its rewards all the way around. In my case I

>made a new friend . :-)

 

Well said OT....I, too, hire escorts for longer periods and try to treat them as I would treat a guest in my house. The end results have always been more enjoyable and fulfilling.

 

GD

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>Was this the worst experience that Ripped has had in 2 years? If so, he has been lucky... Most experienced escorts would have agreed to the shower. Even the cap worn backwards was probably a mistake. Most escorts try to dress as conservatively as possible, until they get to know the client...

But, a decent client would have overlooked these minor things... The client was in a bad mood that didn't get any better. Leaving was the correct decision.<

 

Good assessment. I'm with alan.

[buckguy]

It sounds like the early arrival set-off the client and he never really recoved. Rippedgymrat doesn'tgive a lot of detail about some of his reactions, so its difficult to know how he could've handled things differently. Absent the appearance of attitide on his part, the clinet's response seems over the top and he might have been a difficult client regardless. Still, not wanting to join the client in the shower may have been interpreted as "attitude" and perhaps rippedgymrat could have offered an alternative (like showering after or coming back in a few minutes).

 

Some people tend toward anger when they're anxious and that may be the case here. Also, people get angry if caught off guard. Finding a way for the client feel more in control (w/o letting him get controlling) might have helped here. OTOH, a lot of unhappy clients on this board come across as people who want to control the entire encounter with an escort, which just isn't possible and even as a fellow client seems like a scary attitude to have.

[Rick Munroe]

>Well, I sure seem to be in the minority on this thread!

 

I guess I am, too, trilingual. In the 2+ years I've been an escort, I've encountered all types of attitudes, personalities, idiosyncrasies, etc. It runs the gamut (I hate that word) from nervous first-timers to courteous "seasoned pros" and everything in-between. I always use humor and if it isn't going over, or if the client is rude, I just sort of look over at the imaginary TV camera and make a Rhoda-Morgenstern-esque "oh well" face at the imaginary audience. What are you gonna do, you know? As Barbra Streisand says in The Owl and the Pussycat, "it takes all kinds." (She also says my all-time favorite quote: "I may be a prostitute but I am not promiscuous!")

 

For the most part, my clients have been nice guys but if someone seems surly or cold or abrupt, I just attribute it to nervousness or stress or whatever. I never take it personally. I have enough respect for myself that I don't need to be treated with kid gloves when I meet someone new. As long as my life & health are not in danger, I don't see the need to get offended or end the session. (I actually like the degradation & humiliation aspect of being treated like a "whore" but that's another story)(one of my favorite clients makes me shower when I arrive...even tho I tell him I have just showered at home, as I do before every job, and am clean...because he feels that whores are dirty and doesn't trust us to wash...I get a kick out of that...just as I do when I play dumb and pretend not to know about anything other than the world of sex).

 

I do think rippedgymrat (and any escort who feels uncomfortable on a job) had every right to leave & did the right thing for himself, even tho to me it doesn't seem like the client really did anything terrible...but honestly, if that is the worst he's experienced in 2 years, either he's been very lucky or I haven't!

[Guest cmp]

I am not taking sides here. Anyway, this thread helped me understand how hard an escort's work can get. I am always trying to be nice and friendly. Reading this, I know I will be even more so during my future escapades. This may sound silly to some of you, but I need my partner to enjoy his or her time with me, otherwise the encounter is a failure as far as I am concerned. I am using the word "partner" on purpose, even if it's a transaction. As I am not "hot", being clean, nice and friendly are my only ways to try and achieve that mutual enjoyment. I guess I want to be a model client :+

[Guest starfucker]

Since Ripped was turned off, I think it was best that he left because neither he nor the client would have had a good time.

 

On behalf of the client I see the following possibilities for his interpreted poor attitude:

 

1. He may be used to escorts arriving late and was embarrassed by his own lack of readiness.

 

2. Since an agency was apparently involved, he may have called for a muscle top without seeing Rip's photos. Rip may be ripped, but if he is on the short side, he may have not been the bulky bodybuilder the client was expecting. Even if the client saw Rip's photo, it may have been a torso only. A torso shot doesn't reflect scale well.

 

3. The backwards baseball cap may have further diluted the clients fantasy of a bodybuilder/top. Maybe he perceived Ripped as a jock/bottom? If so, that would have been cause for his "lecture on sexpectations".

 

4. The cap, coupled with the 5 o'clock shadow, likely made the client suspect Rip hadn't groomed (showered) for the day.

 

5. Just as some escorts use a massage to get things going, maybe this client likes to get the steam started with a shower.

 

In summary: I think Rip's look didn't meet this clients expectations. When the client greeted Rip with, "You're early" - I think he meant, "You're not what I had in mind!"

 

Ripped may be very hot and a great escort, but the chemistry just wasn't there. It happens to the best of us, sometimes.

[Guest man2man4u40]

This is not just about escorts and clients. It's part of the ugliness of human nature that pops up now and then. Look, the guy was having a bad day, decided you weren't his type, was jerking your chain, or whatever. These kinds of things happen every day to a lot of folks. Unfortunately our number comes up now and then. I don't want to come off as being harsh but...just deal with it. It sounds to me that you haven't had this kind of a client before so you know the overwhelming majority of clients are not so unwelcoming.

 

I can understand you wanting to vent but part of me gets tired reading these types of posts because I'm sure all of us can think of at least one time where we've met someone who has been less than welcoming. So what? It happened. Get over it. The next client has to be better, no? It may not be pleasant when it happened but it doesn't invalidate the other positive client experiences you've been a part of in the past.

 

Life goes on.

[Guest LG320126]

Ripped, you made the right call IMO. You are a human being, not a piece of this guy's icebox lunchmeat. As far as some of these guys telling you to "get over it" and what you should have done, you don't have to "get over it" if you weren't happy with the guy's attitude. You offer a service and clients offer money. If I hired an interior decorator and the first thing that person started doing is trashing my home or being discourteous to me instead of treating it like it was his own, out he would go - that is free enterprise and you had every right to call off the deal. Good for you!

[duke37]

I understand Rippeds reaction to the client and probably his instinct to take off was the correct one. However trilingual correctly points out the thought process necessary to turn an upset customer to a happy customer. Those of us in retail have to mentally go the extra mile to make surly, unhappy or otherwise upset people halfway happy at the end of a transaction. The surprise ending you get sometimes with a "difficult" customer is they become one of your best customers.

 

Tri rather creatively went through the metal steps necessary to give the customer the benefit of the doubt. Ripped I am sure you are excellent at what you do but are you uncomfortable at the idea of having a customer and not a client? I think you could do far worse to have clients like tri.

 

I agree with the idea that I can't bring "hot" to the encounter so I work on clean, friendly and respectful. Great discussion.

[Rick Munroe]

>trilingual

>correctly points out the thought process necessary to turn

>an upset customer to a happy customer.

 

Yeah, that was an excellent post...another one I wish I'd written. :-)

[Guest pickwick]

The secret of being in any service business is the ability to take a customer who comes to you growling like a tiger and send him away purring like a housecat. Those whose egos are too big to allow them to do that should probably stay out of the service industry, or confine themselves to one of the niches in which the customers LIKE being given attitude because it makes them feel as though the service provider is "exclusive." Calling yourself a service professional when you refuse to deal with any customers except those who are nice and respectful is like saying you're a mountain climber because you managed to make it to the top of your own staircase.

[Guest cp8036]

In customer service there is a limit to the amount of disrespect you must take.

 

Once I had a call from an angry client, we had inconvenienced the client with some delays. I let the guy rant on, and after I apoligized, and explained what we will do to right the wrong. He kept ranting and when he made use of swear words, I hung up. He called back... screaming and swearing more.. and I hugn up again.

 

The third time he called, a bit calmer, and we finished our call. He apologized for abusive language. I can take someone that is pissed off and yelling, but swear words directed to me is more personal.

 

The customer is not always right.

[Guest LG320126]

>The customer is not always right.<

 

Thank you CP. I, too have owned businesses and I hate the addage that the customer is always right because there is always some asshole that will carry it to extremes. One instance comes to mind where a woman reported my actions to her for not returning her purchase to the Better Business Bureau. After hearing both sides of the story, the BBB sided with me and the woman's accusations were dismissed. Did I lose a customer? Yes. Did I care? Hell no.

[Guest regulation]

I go along with Rick and Joey -- their point of view is what I would expect from a seasoned and professional escort.

 

I treat escorts with a modicum of courtesy and respect because I treat everyone that way unless and until circumstances dictate otherwise. But I don't treat an escort as I would a date because he isn't one. He's someone I hire to entertain me with his looks, his body and (hopefully) his personality. He is there to entertain me, not the other way around. I want him to make me comfortable. I don't want to have to worry about whether he is comfortable.

 

There have been times when I've hired an escort to celebrate a special occasion. At those times I'm in a good mood. There have been other times when I've hired an escort to help me relax after a stressful day or week. At those times I am not in a good mood, and though I try not to take it out on the escort, if I seem stressed I expect him to deal with that because that is quite a normal situation for someone in his line of work. If he can't do it, I think he should be in a different line of work.

[Rick Munroe]

>...if I seem stressed I expect him to deal with

>that because that is quite a normal situation for someone in

>his line of work. If he can't do it, I think he should be

>in a different line of work.

 

Exactly...well-put. That's my philosophy and it's how I run my business. I'm there to make the client feel good, and if I have a good time (I usually do anyway), that's a bonus for me but not the reason I'm there.

[+ Unicorn]

>Ripped, you made the right call IMO. You are a human being,

>not a piece of this guy's icebox lunchmeat. As far as some

>of these guys telling you to "get over it" and what you

>should have done, you don't have to "get over it" if you

>weren't happy with the guy's attitude. You offer a service

>and clients offer money. If I hired an interior decorator

>and the first thing that person started doing is trashing my

>home or being discourteous to me instead of treating it like

>it was his own, out he would go - that is free enterprise

>and you had every right to call off the deal. Good for you!

 

Except that you're paying the interior decorator. The escort is not paying the client. Do you feel the interior decorator should walk out on you if you start "barking out directions" to him? (of course "barking out directions is subject to interpretation)

Clients pay good money for escorts, and all an escort has to do is basically be nice and affectionate. I don't think that asking to shower with an escort or asking him to remove a baseball cap is unreasonable. Of course, I wasn't there, and the client may have behaved in a rude manner ("Why don't you get your sweaty ass in my shower?"). Nevertheless, when I'm paying, I feel I have the right to give instructions, as long as it's done politely. (I sure as hell would let an interior decorator know what I want) What we don't know was the client's tone.

[+ Unicorn]

>In customer service there is a limit to the amount of

>disrespect you must take.

>

>Once I had a call from an angry client, we had

>inconvenienced the client with some delays. I let the guy

>rant on, and after I apoligized, and explained what we will

>do to right the wrong. He kept ranting and when he made use

>of swear words, I hung up. He called back... screaming and

>swearing more.. and I hugn up again.

>

>The third time he called, a bit calmer, and we finished our

>call. He apologized for abusive language. I can take

>someone that is pissed off and yelling, but swear words

>directed to me is more personal.

>

>The customer is not always right.

 

Oh, absolutely. In RippedGymRat's case, I don't think the client was screaming or using swear words. It's hard to make a judgment in this case, since only RippedGymRat and the client were there, but my sense is that the client wasn't exactly acting like a prick, and that maybe, just maybe, RippedGymRat was being a prima donna.

[trilingual]

Just glad to see that at least a couple of knights in shining armor have come to my support! I was starting feel a little isolated here!

 

Naturally, there are limits to the customer always being right. Being abusive is unacceptable (unless, of course, that's part of the deal that's been worked out in advance). Ditto for being dirty. But in most cases, it's the obligation of the service provider to ensure that the client/customer is happy.

 

This encounter seems to me to have gone wrong because Ripped felt the client wasn't being sufficiently overwhelmed by his fabulousness and appreciative for the privilege of being with Ripped. Ripped doesn't seem to have figured out that in this business the encounter isn't all about him, it's about his client. The client is the one who's paying for a good time, and it's Ripped's job to do everything within reason to make sure that his client feels like he's had a good time by the time the appointment finishes. It's good that Ripped didn't go further with the encounter, because it's hardly likely that anybody would have had a good time in this situation, and there would only have been even worse feelings when it was all over.

[Traveller]

I'm there with reg, pick and tri. I'm in the service business and some of the clients I deal with would make a lot of your hair curl. Ranting, raving, expletives, unrealistic deadlines. The usual. I handle it.

 

Later.

 

PS. Why is it that developers are the worst?

[Guest LG320126]

>What we don't know was the client's tone.<

 

Exactly! And my take on Ripped's post was that the client was in a foul mood and nothing he would have done would have changed it, so therefore he did what he thought was right and should not be chastised for it.

[Guest cp8036]

<...In RippedGymRat's case, I don't think the client was screaming or using swear words...>

 

You have ruined my day with your baseless and skewed comments, I must go home now. You don't think, but you don't know. How is it that you arrive at such an evaluation? Why do you think your opinions supercedes others? Were you the client?

 

 

 

<...It's hard to make a judgment in this case, since only RippedGymRat and the client were there, but my sense is that the client wasn't exactly acting like a prick, and that maybe, just maybe, RippedGymRat was being a prima donna...>

 

Exactly, it is hard to make a judgement, so why are you? Some people make opinions and comments, and most are lightly pointing in favor or against the escort in this case. Yours seems to be statements of fact, ready for a decree to be stated.

 

I don't know ripped, so I cannot say much about him. But, that he took the time to post and talk about it shows he is reasonable and concerned. No wonder some escorts rather not post here.

[+ honcho]

I'm going to have a slightly different take on this. I think that Ripped posted this message while he was hurting emotionally. From his perspective, he started off in a good mood, tried diligently to prepare well and do a good job, and felt unappreciated, violated and threatened by his client.

 

Possibly in the back of Ripped's mind, he was hoping for some kind of e-hugs and validation from *this* community, that it was OK for him to have reacted in the way he did.

 

Some people gave him the strokes he was (subconsciously) looking for, and other people played devil's (clients) advocate, and Ripped might react negatively to that and feel dumped on.

 

It is not a rare occurrence for people not to get the support and compassion they (again, probably subconsciously) might want via these forums; and it might be good when we respond to somebody who is hurting in a compassionate way, even if we do think it might help them to try to see things from a different perspective.

 

So, Ripped, I personally absolve you and don't think you did a bad thing by saying exactly what you said "I don't think this is going to work", and then leave.

[Guest regulation]

>Some people gave him the strokes he was (subconsciously)

>looking for, and other people played devil's (clients)

>advocate, and Ripped might react negatively to that and feel

>dumped on.

 

Too bad. Speaking only for myself, I did not write the post I put in this thread in order to "play devil's advocate." I understand that expression to mean that one takes an opposing position on an issue even though one does not believe in that position. What I posted is my opinion on the issue being discussed here and I do indeed believe in it.

 

I don't know why the thread author decided to create a thread about the experience he described. But to create such a thread on a message board is to invite comment from those who read the board, and it makes little sense to do so if that is not what one actually wants.

[+ Lucky]

Gee, honcho, why don't you just pucker up next to ripped's ass? The client here was the one that got dumped. The escort couldn't wait to whine about it. This was his fourth post. Has he had any good experiences or does he just not care to write about them? The client had no say on this post. He could easily have been concerned that by showing up early, the clock was running even though he wasn't ready yet. At the price some escorts charge, I would not pay for the escort to read a magazine for ten or fifteen minutes.

[Guest man2man4u40]

>I don't know why the thread author decided to create a

>thread about the experience he described. But to create

>such a thread on a message board is to invite comment from

>those who read the board, and it makes little sense to do so

>if that is not what one actually wants.

 

I would agree with your sentiment above but I also know that people often do things that make little sense when the are under any kind of emotional duress. And sometimes, people just want to vent.

 

If the intention was mostly to vent, it probably would have been more productive for him to engage in a conversation with a confidant rather than post it to an audience, thus inviting comments.

 

Vent-like, escort vs. client postings seem to fit more in the category of a "next-day tête-à-tête with Midge over coffee and cigs about the horrible date you had last night" rather than a posting to a discussion list.