Joey Hart in DC, double no show.

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

Guys,

 

I am on the verge of writing my first negative review. I am holding off for a couple of days to see whether I change my mind or Joey spontaneously offers a satisfactory explanation for his behaviour. But otherwise the review is ready for submission. Here is the gist of what happened (or, more accurately, what *didn't* happen).

 

More than a month ago I noticed that Joey had begun advertizing as an escort. As I am always on the look out for handsome versatile bottoms and since I was expecting to visit DC for business/family reasons in the near future, I e-mailed him and made an appointment which he duly registered on the calender on his site. So far so good.

 

The business side of my trip subsequently fell through and I was weighing cancelling the family visit as I would now have to pay for the flight out of my own pocket. *Because* I had made the commitment to Joey and because I take my commitments seriously (and possibly because he had kindly agreed to have dinner together after our encounter), I made the decision to proceed even though I would now have to pay the air fare and for a hotel room on top of Joey's pornstar fee structure ($300 per hour). As an added inducement another escort, Ethan, with whom I had become e-mail friends, had agreed to a pro bono date to the zoo while I was in DC.

 

I duly confirmed my appointment (with Joey) the week of my trip. At the airport, however, my flight was delayed by bad weather which made me miss my connecting flight in Toronto. I called Joey's cell phone from the airport and left a message indicating that I would be (all of) an hour late. Arriving in DC I reached my hotel at the predicted (one hour late) time and phoned Joey again to confirm my arrival. No answer, so I again left a message, followed by another message an hour later, and then another voice + e-mail message yet an hour later. Finally Joey calls to say he fell asleep on the couch after getting my first message and hadn't heard the phone ring. And no, he was too tired to come over then.

 

I pointed out that he was making me waste the price of a hotel room, for which he was apologetic but unwilling to compensate me for in any way that I could recognize (such as agreeing to an incall). In any case, I decided to cancel the post zoo dinner I was scheduled to have with Ethan the next day since 6:00 PM seemed to be the only time Joey would be free. I told Joey I would be sure to call him if for any reason I could not make our date, and then I booked an extra night at the hotel so we could have the room for the next day.

 

The next day I have a perfectly delightful day with Ethan at the zoo (where a baby elephant had just been born and the pandas made the requisite appearance), and made it back to my hotel by 5:30 to shower etc. before Joey's scheduled arrival. There was a message from Joey waiting for me and I called him back. He then proceeded to take me to task for not having been in my room an hour before time so that he could confirm our date before leaving. My patience was beginning to wear thin at this point (like I was supposed to guess he wanted me to be available for a confirmation an hour ahead of time?), but I still asked him how long it would take him to arrive. He said 40 minutes which would have been about 15 minutes after our previously agreed time, so I sighed and told him to come over.

 

An *hour and fourty minutes* later, with no sign of or word from Joey, I called him and left a message telling him I had had enough and that if he was on his way he could just turn back. I then checked out of my hotel and took the metro to my cousins' place. The only good thing out of this experience is that I saved the $500 fee + tip for Joey's (non)services plus the cost of his dinner. On the other hand I paid for two nights at a hotel and wasted the equivalent of a day for nothing. I have still not heard back from Joey (nor do I particularly want to) and now consider him to be a total flake.

 

He has one good review and, perhaps if you live in the DC area and can put up with this kind of act, he might still be worth the hire. For anyone coming from out of town, however, he is simply not dependable and is obviously not willing to take responsibility for his actions, even to the degree of having the courtesy to call to cancel an appointment.

 

I have great respect for escorts and what they do and I have consistently defended escorts from the many scurillous attacks they are subjected to on this board. It is with a heavy heart (no pun intended) that I find myself having to actually give one a failing grade. I have had less than satisfactory experiences before, but I usually blamed these on bad chemistry and have not seen fit to write negative reviews. A double, back to back, no show strikes me as beyond the realms of tolerance, however. Am I wrong?

[+ bigjoey]

post the review; let others know; you have a great record here for calling things as they are.

[CT Dick]

A double, back to back, no show strikes me as

>beyond the realms of tolerance, however. Am I wrong?

 

 

Without question, NO. Enough's enough! Post it. He worked hard to earn it. }>

 

Dick

[Guest TruthTeller]

Did Joey know that you were coming to town exclusively to see him? I think that's an important point. If he didn't know, it wouldn't exonerate him completely, but it would seriously mitigate the severity of his crime. It would transform what he did from an inexcusably selfish and wasteful act into a garden-variety late-show or no-show appoitnment.

[buckguy]

Joey had a decidedly mixed rep when he was a poster on ATKOL (I don't think he escorted). deej and I have replayed it---deej thought he was cool, I was of the opinion he was overly self-involved. His old website was clever, but loaded with what seemed to be self-indulgent, new age-babble. It and his web persona broke the fantasy for me, which is a shame because he was an intense and dependable performer on video.

 

I am biased, but I say post the review. If he's unhappy, he can respond and we can see which web personal emerges.

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

>Did Joey know that you were coming to town exclusively to

>see him? I think that's an important point. If he didn't

>know, it wouldn't exonerate him completely, but it would

>seriously mitigate the severity of his crime. It would

>transform what he did from an inexcusably selfish and

>wasteful act into a garden-variety late-show or no-show

>appoitnment.

 

No he didn't know I was travelling to DC primarily (not exclusively) to see him, but he did know I was coming on my own dime and that I had booked two nights at the hotel to see him. It's not so much the late-show no-show that galls me as the fact that he didn't call to cancel or to tell me that he would be *very* late. I had told him I was pressed for time the second day, and perhaps some delay made him feel it wouldn't be worth his while coming to my hotel for a shortened encounter, but he still should have called. So I guess it was somewhere between selfish-and-wasteful and garden-variety. :-(

[Guest alanm]

I had a somewhat similar experience with an escort in New York whom I have seen several times. I booked him for the night he had just returned from Amsterdam. He called and said that he had fallen asleep and was too tired to come over to the appointment at my hotel,

I told him that I had specifically come to NY to see him. He then

immediately offered to keep the appointment. Just the offer was good enough for me. I told him to get some sleep and I'd catch him again

and then had an enjoyable night in NY. There is a striking difference between the way these two escort handles the situations. Therefore, I say send in the review.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

This seems more that simple miscommunication. If it were me I'd write the review and put in all the details icluding relevant clarifiactions solicited in this thread. The reason: other clients deserve to factor this episode into their consideration of Joey, the more so if they are coming from out of town. All the facts because he will tell his story if you don't tell yours; he should have the opportunity to respond to your version and you deserve a response.

[OneFinger]

Esc-Tracker,

 

Sorry to hear about your experience with Joey Hart. But, since HooBoy started a "No Show" section, wouldn't your review fit into this category?

 

I don't believe "No Show" reviews are part of the same database as positive or negative reviews. I don't think it would show up under Joey Hart's history and would only be seen under the "Newest Reviews" or "No Show Escorts" links.

 

Is it worth the time and effort to post a "Now Show" review or does this thread serve as ample warning?

[Scorpio]

>I don't believe "No Show" reviews are part of the same

>database as positive or negative reviews. I don't think it

>would show up under Joey Hart's history and would only be

>seen under the "Newest Reviews" or "No Show Escorts" links.

 

I just checked. An escort that has received a No-Show review under the new policy has a link on his positive/negative review page stating he received a no-show review and the date. And by clicking the link, one would be taken to the no-show review page.

[Scorpio]

>>I don't believe "No Show" reviews are part of the same

>>database as positive or negative reviews. I don't think it

>>would show up under Joey Hart's history and would only be

>>seen under the "Newest Reviews" or "No Show Escorts" links.

>

>I just checked. An escort that has received a No-Show review

>under the new policy has a link on his positive/negative

>review page stating he received a no-show review and the

>date. And by clicking the link, one would be taken to the

>no-show review page.

 

However, upon further inspection, if the no-show escort does not already have a positive/negative review page, there is not a cross-link as mentioned above.

[OneFinger]

I just did a quick check, too, using five randomly selected "No Shows". One does have his "No Show" link appearing with his positive/negative reviews. However, the remaining four aren't even listed under their state and their "No Show" only appears in the "No Show" section.

 

Perhaps with someone with a review history (like Joey Hart) would be linked to their "No Show" review. But, for "newbies" without a review history, their only "No Show" may be harder to find.

 

Rather than just checking the reviews by state, I'm going to make it point to check the "No Show" section too!

[+ deej]

<<Joey had a decidedly mixed rep when he was a poster on ATKOL (I don't think he escorted). deej and I have replayed it>>

 

Yes, we have have, haven't we. :-)

 

I say post the review as well. But do so flatly and matter-of-factly. Ditch the emotional push-buttons. "Here's what I tried to set up, here's what happened, and here's where I ended up".

 

Don't do the call for sympathy. (And I know ET well enough to know he wouldn't). Just say "A" happened, and here's the result.

 

Joey will either step up to it, or he won't. And that's pretty much the end of the matter, eh?

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>Is it worth the time and effort to post a "Now Show" review

>or does this thread serve as ample warning?

 

This thread is not adequate!! It will be buried in the list in short order and end up in the archives which are not, as yet, cataloged by subject.

[adriano46]

Esc_Tracker,

 

YES, by all means write the review and post it a.s.a.p.

 

Time to get out a pet peev: escorts should always remember that, in out call cases, the client is often paying not only the "fee" for company, but also a hotel fee (generally upscale too), and - as we have seen on numerous other threads - other costs.

 

By nature I am generous and like to extend kind gestures, but bristle when taken advantage of - and ET, here you were severely taken advantage of.

[Guest cp8036]

Post it.

 

It is bad if an escort or a client flake out. His attitude seems bad as well. (not being there one hour before).

 

With his upscale rate, he should be more professional.

[Guest cp8036]

Often escorts complain about their time...time to write emails, drive, wait, and most of all cancelled dates.

 

Of course we all can understand.

 

Many of us have busy lives too. I know my week is bogged down with emails, commuting, and the occassional escort that flakes out.

[Guest JoeyHart]

I expected this thread would eventually be made and in the spirit of fairness I will defend myself and give my side of the story.

 

But what I will not do is respond to the negative comments some of you spoke out of me here when you have never met me, never bothered to write me email, or to even get to know me. Your harsh opinions are biased and untrue and do not validate what I am like in person.

 

Furthermore, if you are so cynical about who I am today, the person I have come to be, and the progress I have made in my life, then stop visiting my site. I do not force you to go there, I do not force you to read the content, I do not force you to view the pictures or watch the video clips, you do that by your choice and if it displeases you so much then perhaps you should find somewhere else to surf.

 

Now, I take full responsibility for the experience ET went through last weekend but I will not take full blame for this incidents that caused it. I work a twelve-hour day Monday-Friday, which begins at 4AM and can sometimes last until 7PM. During the week I am usually in bed by 9PM, which leaves me little time for much.

 

When ET scheduled a meeting, he had initially set a time for 6PM. I arranged my schedule for that time--a two-hour session and possible dinner. When I got home from work that evening I had a message on my v-mail saying he would not be in town until 7PM which disappointed me since I had expected to be there by then. So I cleaned up and watched some TV and did fall asleep. By the time I woke up it was almost 8PM. I called the hotel and had to leave a message because his room line was busy.

 

A few minutes later I received an email from ET about “standing me up” which I did not reply to. I checked my v-mail again and heard a message saying ET got my message and to call him back if I could which I did. I explained to him that I had fallen asleep and was exhausted and if it would be Ok, to reschedule for tomorrow. ET was irritated and when I mentioned my work schedule to him he wanted me to come over in the early morning (5AM or so) since he was an “early riser’ and meet with him, which I flatly refused since the weekends are the only time I get to sleep in. He also asked for an in-call, which I do not do for any client. So a 6PM appointment was set up again.

 

I called the hotel at 5PM the next day to see if he was there--I always try and call an hour before an appointment to confirm. When there was no answer I left a message asking that he call me to confirm he was in the hotel before I will leave for DC. He called me back at 5:30PM. I told him it would take about 45 minutes for me to get there. I left then after.

 

What I did not expect is the hotel he was staying at was on the other side of DC, not where I thought it to be. The hotel was also on Connecticut Avenue, a major route through DC full of traffic lights and on a Saturday night…lots of people out and about especially with the warm weather we have been having. I ended up stuck in traffic because the DC police had pulled over a jeep and were searching it; blocking one lane of traffic.

 

I sat in traffic a good half hour before I had to pull over to take a piss and to call my v-mail since I left my cell phone at home and get the message ET had left with the hotel phone number but I had erased that message. By this time it was close to 7:30PM and two hours past the time I had left.

 

ET left a message on my v-mail saying “forget it” and if I was on my way to “…turn around and go back”. So, I made a judgment call; he was already pissed off and no amount of explanation on my part would change that and so I went home.

 

This was an unfortunate incident and not a good close to my weekend either. I do not make a habit of “flaking out” on clients. The reason I have never explained myself to ET in private is exactly why by the post he left; no amount of explanation on my part would have solved the animosity he had for me.

 

Finally, what you do not read about here are the many satisfied clients who have rescheduled time and again with me. What you do not read about here is their comments and the reasons they want to see me again in the future. You have but one positive and now one negative post about me from only a small percentage of my clientele. If you wish to form a conclusion of my escort services based on those two posts that is your choice.

 

However, I will reiterate what I said in a previous thread, “Escorting is not a career for me; it’s an outlet…” and “My future will not depend on positive or negative reviews nor will these reviews prevent me from doing what I want”.

 

I’m sure some of you will have many comments to make about my statement above but I have said what I needed to say and I will not respond to this thread any more.

 

Joey Hart

[Guest cp8036]

Mr. Hart,

 

Is good that you wrote to give your side of the story. It has been said over and over, an escort's response can make him coming out smelling like a rose. Your bitterness didn't help. But, at least we have your detail.

 

I never seen your web site, I didn't even know you had one. So you need not worry yourself why I spend time there.

 

Your response sure does shed some light. Whilst things said may be harsh, opinions cannot be true or untrue. They are beliefs or interpretations based on the information present. They can be baised, but untrue is a bit much

 

It is reasonable for ET to be an hour late as he flew to DC. Air traffic is a bit screwed-up since 9-11. One hour delay to his hotel, with a phone call to warn is not bad. The second day you were over an hour late as well. I know rain and traffic can fuck up a commute, but you have more control as a local when it comes to keeping time in the city. You know the area better, and you aren't victim to airline delays.

 

You over slept and missed the meeting. True was only an hour, and ET should have given you some grace period. You mention you work long hours and that you are tired. If your work week is that hard, perhaps you should save escort dates until you have a day off. It is not fair to present yourself exhausted from work to a paying client.

 

You are correct that I/we didn't contact you to find out the other side of the story. To be honest, I don't think we must do that in order to voice an opinion. I think ET was honest about the turn of events. I commented based on the things said. However, next time I consider posting something that concerns you I will be sure to seek some email exchange with you.

 

You were correct to respond to the post, that way both sides are out in the open.

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

OK, let's go over this point by point.

 

>I expected this thread would eventually be made and in the

>spirit of fairness I will defend myself and give my side of

>the story.

 

A wise move.

 

>But what I will not do is respond to the negative comments

>some of you spoke out of me here when you have never met me,

>never bothered to write me email, or to even get to know me.

> Your harsh opinions are biased and untrue and do not

>validate what I am like in person.

 

That may be true, but if I may give you a word of advice, it is often best to roll with the punches. Graciousness is a rare quality and you will find that insults tend to cling to those who fling them. It is normally best to ignore them.

 

>Furthermore, if you are so cynical about who I am today, the

>person I have come to be, and the progress I have made in my

>life, then stop visiting my site. I do not force you to go

>there, I do not force you to read the content, I do not

>force you to view the pictures or watch the video clips, you

>do that by your choice and if it displeases you so much then

>perhaps you should find somewhere else to surf.

 

Since you basically corroborate my description of the events, I have to assume that I am not among those you are accusing of being biased and saying untrue things about you. Be that as it may, I suspect you are reading too much in what others have written. You appear to have a chip on your shoulder and this may be what people react to negatively.

 

>Now, I take full responsibility for the experience ET went

>through last weekend but I will not take full blame for this

>incidents that caused it.

 

Taking responsibility would be good, and blame isn't the issue. More on that later.

 

>I work a twelve-hour day

>Monday-Friday, which begins at 4AM and can sometimes last

>until 7PM. During the week I am usually in bed by 9PM,

>which leaves me little time for much.

 

My suggestion would be to do your escorting on the weekends, but only you can control your schedule, so I will leave it there. This is obviously an area where you know best.

 

>When ET scheduled a meeting, he had initially set a time for

>6PM. I arranged my schedule for that time--a two-hour

>session and possible dinner. When I got home from work that

>evening I had a message on my v-mail saying he would not be

>in town until 7PM which disappointed me since I had expected

>to be there by then. So I cleaned up and watched some TV

>and did fall asleep. By the time I woke up it was almost

>8PM. I called the hotel and had to leave a message because

>his room line was busy.

 

I was probably trying to reach you. The reason your phone didn't ring was that your cell was off. Your v-mail kicked in on the first ring each time I called you.

 

>A few minutes later I received an email from ET about

>“standing me up” which I did not reply to. I checked my

>v-mail again and heard a message saying ET got my message

>and to call him back if I could which I did. I explained to

>him that I had fallen asleep and was exhausted and if it

>would be Ok, to reschedule for tomorrow. ET was irritated

>and when I mentioned my work schedule to him he wanted me to

>come over in the early morning (5AM or so) since he was an

>“early riser’ and meet with him, which I flatly refused

>since the weekends are the only time I get to sleep in.

 

I didn't "want" you to come at 5:00AM. I just thought it might be convenient if you regularly got up that early as it would have avoided me having to pay for an extra night at the hotel. You declined and I did not insist.

 

>He

>also asked for an in-call, which I do not do for any client.

 

I didn't "ask" for one. I offered it as another alternative which you also declined.

 

> So a 6PM appointment was set up again.

 

It was your suggestion and I accepted it as it seemed to be the only time when we could meet. Note that I accepted your terms at every stage.

 

>I called the hotel at 5PM the next day to see if he was

>there--I always try and call an hour before an appointment

>to confirm.

 

In future, it might be a good idea to warn the client of this. I was only a few blocks away from my hotel and could easily have made it back by 5:00PM if I had known you would want to confirm again before coming, particularly as I was tight for time. As I had explicitly told you that I would call if I somehow could not make it back in time, I had no reason to believe you needed additional assurance.

 

>When there was no answer I left a message

>asking that he call me to confirm he was in the hotel before

>I will leave for DC. He called me back at 5:30PM. I told

>him it would take about 45 minutes for me to get there. I

>left then after.

 

OK.

 

>What I did not expect is the hotel he was staying at was on

>the other side of DC, not where I thought it to be. The

>hotel was also on Connecticut Avenue, a major route through

>DC full of traffic lights and on a Saturday night…lots of

>people out and about especially with the warm weather we

>have been having. I ended up stuck in traffic because the

>DC police had pulled over a jeep and were searching it;

>blocking one lane of traffic.

 

I assumed it was something like that.

 

>I sat in traffic a good half hour before I had to pull over

>to take a piss and to call my v-mail since I left my cell

>phone at home and get the message ET had left with the hotel

>phone number but I had erased that message.

 

Next time don't erase your messages, bring your cell phone, and write your contact number down. I assume you also forgot the name of the hotel as there can't be that many Day's Inns on Connecticut ave in the phone book.

 

>By this time it

>was close to 7:30PM and two hours past the time I had left.

>

>ET left a message on my v-mail saying “forget it” and if I

>was on my way to “…turn around and go back”. So, I made a

>judgment call; he was already pissed off and no amount of

>explanation on my part would change that and so I went home.

 

A predictably bad judgement call. Going home was the right move (I had probably checked out by then anyway), but not sending an apologetic explanatory e-mail was simply adding discourtesy to your rap sheet.

 

This is where we get into the distinction between responsibility and blame. While I may not have been to blame for my flight being delayed, I was responsible for arriving at the hotel at the agreed time, so it was incumbent on me to inform you I would be late (which I did) and to take my lumps if this somehow meant we could not meet up. In the same way, as soon as you realized you would not make it to the hotel on time the next day, it was incumbent on *you* to call me. As you had left your cell behind, erased your messages and not written down the name and phone number of the hotel, your only alternative was to send your apology by e-mail. It doesn't matter whether I would have been pissed off or not. It would have been the correct thing to do. It would have meant that you recognized and acknowledged your responsibility. As it stands, I would have forgiven you. Bad things happen and we all make mistakes every day.

 

>This was an unfortunate incident and not a good close to my

>weekend either. I do not make a habit of “flaking out” on

>clients.

 

Let's just say the jury is still out on this one. Once is not a "habit", but your future reviews will tell.

 

>The reason I have never explained myself to ET in

>private is exactly why by the post he left; no amount of

>explanation on my part would have solved the animosity he

>had for me.

 

I didn't hold *any* animosity towards you. You had three days to send an explanatory e-mail, before I said anything on this board.

 

>Finally, what you do not read about here are the many

>satisfied clients who have rescheduled time and again with

>me. What you do not read about here is their comments and

>the reasons they want to see me again in the future. You

>have but one positive and now one negative post about me

>from only a small percentage of my clientele. If you wish

>to form a conclusion of my escort services based on those

>two posts that is your choice.

 

This is the message board and not the review site. You only have one review. Within about a week, this thread will slip into the archives and not stick to your record unless someone decides to make a search on your name. As for me, I can form a conclusion based on 100% of my experiences (or lack thereof) with you. But as I only visit DC perhaps once a year, this is not a huge loss for you.

 

>However, I will reiterate what I said in a previous thread,

>“Escorting is not a career for me; it’s an outlet…” and “My

>future will not depend on positive or negative reviews nor

>will these reviews prevent me from doing what I want”.

 

Fair enough, but I might suggest that taking your commitments and obligations more seriously would serve you well whatever you choose to do with your life.

 

>I’m sure some of you will have many comments to make about

>my statement above but I have said what I needed to say and

>I will not respond to this thread any more.

 

I have yet to decide whether or not to post a review. If I do, I will include the missing bits of the picture you have belatedly offered here. Understand, however, that it would not have come to this if you had done the right thing and e-mailed an explanation. Frankly, I can't see on what grounds you decided I was too much of a jerk to understand that you got caught in traffic without your cell phone. Granted, it doesn't leave you in a very impressive light, but it is hardly a hanging offense (even in the US).

[Guest alanm]

Both ET and Joey Hart deserve a lot of credit for taking a great deal of time to give their respective versions of the events. We now have both sides of the story. I agree with ET that Joey might reconsider his scheduling of appointmants after a long work day. On the other hand, I can see both sides concerning the follow up e-mail. Yes, Joey should have sent ET an e-mail explaining what happened. I can also

understand that Joey could think that there was nothing he could say to make things right. I also want to compare this exchange with last week's bout between Jon and Emillio. Since everyone believes that Premier helped Emillio with his response, someone from Premier should have posted its side of the story. I live in Philadelphia, so know that Premier is very much aware of this site and the MC. It's imposible to believe that Premier was unaware of the controversy and the very bad reaction to Emillio's response.

[Guest LG320126]

Good points made by both the prosecution and the defense.

 

Looks like we have a hung jury (no pun intended). :-)

[+ nycman]

Am I the only one who gets much more

delight from the prostitute who just says

"he had a dirty hole" and leaves it at that.

 

Hygienically yours,

 

nycman

[buckguy]

Seems odd to me that someone working 12 hour days with an early "go to work" time would be scheduling clients for evenings. That just seems like bad faith and bad business. As for Conncecticut Ave--I used to live just off of it not far from the hotel in question. Although rush hour runs late (like 7ish) in DC, once it passes, Connecticut isn't bad and the normal ways in from the 'burbs like Rock Creek Parkway aren't bad either. It sounds like Joey was bushed and spaced out about the phone and the best steps to take, but making the appointment, under the legit job work conditions spelled out here seems to have been the real problem. OTOH, it's good to see a rational tone and acceptance of responsibility. There's usually more rancor in these exchanges.

[Guest BigJosh]

Wow! Am I psyched I read this thread before I called him. I was going to check on Joey's availability but I cannot stand when someone is rude enough to flake out on an appointment.

 

I'm sorry he gets up at 4 a.m. for his job. But that's not the client's problem. If Joey is too tired to escort, he should not BE an escort and he should not accept clients. (I found his declaration that people are not forced to read his website rather amazing, and should stay off it if they are not impressed by him full of attitude.)

 

Escorting is a business and both folks have to hold up their end of the bargain. Thanks to Escort Tracker for saving me aggravation of a bad deal.

 

(I only wish he had posted it as a review!)

 

Big Josh