Dinner with escorts -- full price for time?

[Will]

>But I'd leave it to him; I just don't think it's right to

>expect differently unless he volunteers. Perhaps because to

>me money is only money, so $200/hr is really no big deal and

>not worth hassling over.

 

Jeff, I think what TY and I are talking about here -- forgive me, TY, if I get it wrong -- is a matter of courtesy regarding an invitation that does indeed occupy an ambiguous space between the social and the professional. While it's true that escorts charge by the hour, it's also the case that they are charging for something other than their presence across the table in a restaurant. The notion that escorts charge *only* for their time is a euphemistic legality, because it's easy to imagine how long an escort's career would be if he served tea and cookies, chatted for an hour, and then asked his client for the fee and showed him the door.

 

Therefore, it's hard for me to imagine that a client would assume that the escort's full hourly fee would apply in a situation like lunch or dinner. As TY put it, we're talking here about an invitation. To my mind, it's not ungenerous to offer to pay someone an hourly fee to be my guest for dinner. He may state whatever terms he likes; that done, neither of us is obligated to go further.

 

Indeed, there's no obligation at all. What we're talking about here is pleasure, and pleasure that is financially beneficial to the escort.

 

Finally, $200/hour may be "no big deal" to you if you're on the receiving end of it. But for many people, $200/hour is the highest fee they'll ever pay any professional out of their own pocket rather than with insurance. So I don't think it's an issue of respect, or of generosity, or that it's an indifferent financial detail. In any case, if it were so indifferent, I'm not sure why there's all the fuss on this thread.

 

Perhaps you're saying that having dinner with a client and having sex with a client are the same to you. If that is, in fact, the case, then I think you're quite correct to charge $200/hour for your time, regardless of what you do together. But I really do think that you owe it to the client to tell him that it doesn't matter to you what you do together. That way, he knows that you don't care much one way or the other and can make his decision accordingly.

[Will]

Thank God! I was beginning to wonder if I had completely misunderstood the Brightest Buckeye in the Business!!!

 

I was one of those who forgot to check for the "OH". Just as there are many Leonardos, there are many Jeffs. But there is only one Leonardo FROM Vinci and only one JeffOH.

 

Thanks for the heads up!

[Will]

(I just don't seem to be able to put down this thread today!)

 

I'm with you, Hoo. I actually like escorts as human beings. At least, I like the ones I've met so far. Some I like better than others, true, but that's the case with everybody.

 

Being terminally introspective as I am, I've often wondered why it is that I like escorts so much. Three things come to mind: (1) I like people who try to live by their wits and imagination; (2) I like survivors, and most escorts I've met fall in that category; (3) as someone who has always been sort of plain and plump, I have a little envy of the escort's desirability and it's interesting to me to see how that affects a person's personality and character.

 

That's the kind of stuff I enjoy and those are three reasons among many why I like to take escorts to dinner.

 

Having read your posts and seen you on video, Michael, I think I'd find you a great dinnertime companion. The only problem is that I've never been to San Diego.

[Guest Charon]

To make you feel less old, I've been on the net since it was the Arpanet in the early 80s and it is always like this. Though it is much worse in forums where people are anonymous.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

"Jeff, I think what TY and I are talking about here -- forgive me, TY, if I get it wrong -- is a matter of courtesy regarding an invitation..."

 

Will, you are forgiven... once again for being the more articulate. You continue to bat a 1000.

 

:-)

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

RE: Dinner with escorts -- what a delight!

 

>If you take an escort out to dinner at a nice restaurant -- for example, the whole wine and dine scene for a couple of hours -- and then you go back to your or his place for sex....should you pay the escort his full hourly rate for the time you're having dinner or is the price of a nice dinner cover that time and then you pay his hourly rate for the after-dinner sex?<

 

While it's true that everyone has to eat, a busy escort might not want to invest two or more hours sitting down to an extravagant multicoursed dinner off the clock, to be followed by a mere hour of sex on the clock. A busy escort might have seen another, maybe two other clients in the time it took to eat with the first. Of course, that's a busy escort's perspective. I don't happen to be a busy escort (meaning I rarely see more than one client a day), so in my own view, I've always found it helpful to try and get to know and appreciate the man behind the cock I'm about to suck. I can't think of a better way to ensure a more relaxed and intimate sexual experience than by becoming familiar with one another before jumping in the hay. The glint in an eye over a slow cabernet, the smile in response to a story told, the laugh after a witticism. These are essential precursors to a successful and satisfying sexual encounter.

 

>I've often wondered what's the proper protocol for dinner first and the bedroom afterwards. I'm not talking about an overnighter -- just dinner and then the bedroom. Would the same reasoning (i.e., pricing) apply if it were a concert or movie first and then the bedroom?<

 

It's true that any time spent before the undressing can be ambigious if it hasn't been discussed. How that time will be spent and how much it costs, if at all, should definitely be discussed, but I don't think there is any one protocol. Personally, if a client asks me if I'd like to go to dinner before the fun, I automatically assume that the client is not paying my hourly rate until the "fun" starts, but I do assume that the client is paying for dinner. It's a fine arrangement and it serves a great purpose, as mentioned above.

I don't usually hire out for hourly visits, therefore don't have an "hourly" rate. My prices start with the cost of a two hour visit, so I may be an atypical example. I can spend four hours with a client and still walk away with three hunnerd bucks for maybe an actual 90 minutes worth of nudity and frolic, a meal in my belly or a show in my memory, as well as being sexually gratified and spiritually enriched by having gotten to know a fellow human on an intimate level. Some of that may be bunk that I don't actually walk away with, but I like to focus on best case scenarios. Those conditions being the case, I never expect to be paid to go to dinner unless I've been hired for maybe a five or six hour engagement. In that case, there has usually been an expectation on both parts that a meal would be required somewhere in that time frame. There has also been the expectation that I would not "punch-out" for mealtime and then punch back in when lunch break was over. I think that's only reasonable on a date of that length.

The same would hold true for almost any activity, providing it wasn't an all day affair, yet clients do seem to treat things like going to events with a different mindset. There seems to be an understanding on the part of most clients I've dealt with, that time spent eating is somehow different from time spent at the theatre or a concert. Generally speaking, if time with a client has been spent doing things other than screwing, but not just eating beforehand, I have been paid for my time, even as a mere companion, because in addition to sweaty and lustful intimacy, a temporary companion is what the client wanted and was willing to pay for. There's an aesthetic at play there that I can't put my finger on, but I have never had to ask to be paid for that kind of spent time, but have been compensated all the same. I guess I'm extrememly fortunate to have done business with such gentlemen of consideration.

[Guest JT]

>>I might be available for dinner myself, I definitely would

>benefit from it and we might have a good time. BTW I like

>those long liesure dinners, mutiple courses, with wines,

>usually three to four hours. :-)

 

Where is my invitation? Next time you're in Vancouver, I know exactly where to bring you, TY! Plus, your American greenback has HUGE purchasing power in Canada. One more reason to come north (Okay I know, I know I'm not the reason for you to come here but there are OTHERS who are)! ;-)

 

 

JT

[Guest cp8036]

$200 is not a lot of cash. For me it is.

 

$200 is not a big deal if goes to a short session with an escort for some fun. That is what the market allows for. I get something I want, when I want, and to my specifications.

 

To pay $200 for the honor of someone's company during dinner does not seem right. Joining a gentleman that just paid you $200 to have sex, and then a decent meal doesn't seem like a great intrusion into your heart.

 

I understand that this is time to the escort, and some feel right to charge the same rate per hour, but your services at a dinner table do not warrant $200/hr. Getting naked in bed probably does. And, really, is your time that valuable??

 

I understand an escort's desire to get home soon after, so I would never ask one to dinner. One recently invited me to dinner, so I accepted.

[Guest chaz49wm]

RE: Dinner with escorts -- what a delight!

 

I didnt want to get into this but almost couldnt help it. I just almost spent a week in Vegas and had the best of the best, the two Book ends in My Opinion, and you noticed it I said in my opinion. Yes Stef and Vegas Boy Dave. The bottom line I think is not how long that you hire them for or whatever, but what type of rapport or what type of communications that you have had with them. Whether hourly or over night the best thing is to talk to them. If you want to be with them then don't just ASSUME because we all know what that does. I am astounded at the number of escorts who live in Vegas;-) ;-) who havent even been to the shows. Don't assume once again because they live there they will or can go. Most are pretty busy and can't always get there. Recently I had the pleasure of spending some time with two really nice guys and in my opinion the "Book Ends of Vegas " and neither had been to the two hottest shows or so some think. "O" and Siegfried and Roy" and both had a great time and yes we did dinner before or after each, and it didnt matter to me whether it was an hour or over night I was just glad to be in their company. If I didnt want to I could have just gone out to eat and then gone home and J/O . Not sure what all this comotion is about. No one is forcing anyone to go out and no one is asking for a dinner but I personally like the company.Sorry If I am in the minority because I feel like a real winner with the two I went with and that's all that matters. I was once told. "If you have to ask the price then you can't afford it." enough said. Love Ya Guys and Hugs and Smooches. Chuck

[Jeff]

All the differing opinions.... totally respect.... but just to clarify and avoid any unintended confusion between me or any other "Jeff" on this site.... I am not an escort. I just believe that it's up to the escort--and that time is time from a strict business sense. I have nothing against a dinner that "costs less," but I think it's classier to let the escort suggest this; if it's going to be an issue, however, certainly it's better to be upfront.

[Jeff]

Personally, there are times I far more appreciate the escort's company over dinner than in bed, even if the escort's great in bed too. I don't have to pay for either, but I enjoy it. There are some escorts who are great in both--and I can appreciate the escort equally for both; as such, I don't really think of an escort in bed as being "higher price" than an escort at a table. If the escort's really cool as a person, I'm more than happy to hang with him, regardless of activity.

[Guest Gentle Dude]

RE: Dinner with escorts -- what a delight!

 

>Not sure what all this comotion is about. No one is forcing anyone >to go out and no one is asking for a dinner but I personally

>like the company. Sorry If I am in the minority because I

>feel like a real winner with the two I went with and that's

>all that matters. I was once told. "If you have to ask the

>price then you can't afford it." enough said. Love Ya Guys

>and Hugs and Smooches. Chuck

 

I feel the same way as well. I hire escorts to relax and have fun, and if dinner and other non-sexual activities are part of it, then I'm willing to pay the price. This is the reason why I don't hire by the hour.

 

Well, I have a date with an escort this week-end and I guess we'll be dining at the Top of the Mark. Ciao!

 

GD

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Dinner with escorts -- what a delight!

 

>Well, I have a date with an escort this week-end and I guess

>we'll be dining at the Top of the Mark. Ciao!

>

 

GD, being the hotel princess that I am I have always been curous about the suites on the top of the Mark Hopkins that have the hot tubs in the glass solariums. If you stay in one after eating in the current "Windows on the World" please report back to me.

[adriano46]

RE: Dinner with escorts -- what a delight!

 

Joey,

 

You put your finger on it... You are paid for the time because you are erudite, a pleasure to accomapny to the theatre, and even more, to talk with over a nice meal.

 

Of course... "what you do in your private time..." is world class too.

[Guest windy]

I kinda thought the same thing. All due respect to the escorts... I met you for a specific reason. I'd prefer to have a nice dinner with: family, friends, lover, dates, work colleagues, and others in my personal life. Yes, you all are fine people, and I respect that. However, the entire setup is an illusion, and a temporary one.

 

Just as most escorts would rather not have sex with a potential client for free, I really don't want to share my dinner table and personal life with an escort.

 

I am not bitter or mean, I am just realistic.

 

I have no problem with meeting for an hour or so, some nookie, hand over the envelope, and wish him a nice day as we part. All the while being friendly, personable, and sexual. I look at the encounter as a cover charge to get access to sex with a hot guy. This guy being hotter, or younger than I would meet in everyday dating.

 

I don't expect the escort to be into me, or love me, or lust after me, or find me handsome, or bask in my friendly and kind manner. Just make a nice time, good sex, be friendy and respectful. I go along with the illusion for the appointment and have fun with it.

 

Afterwards, back to the real world.

 

Yes, suppose are cases were both client/escort hit it off. He wants to see you more for dinners, shows, and other friend-like stuff. Both like each other and have great sex together. It could happen, but would be rare. I am sure that no cash is ever exchanged then.

 

It is not possible to have a friendship/relationship with someone that still charges you for his time.

[Guest Gentle Dude]

RE: Dinner with escorts -- what a delight!

 

>GD, being the hotel princess that I am I have always been

>curous about the suites on the top of the Mark Hopkins that

>have the hot tubs in the glass solariums. If you stay in

>one after eating in the current "Windows on the World"

>please report back to me.

 

I don't know which one you're referring to, but I once booked the Peacock Court Ballroom for my folk's Golden Anniversary and stayed at the Cyril Magnin suite on the 15th or 16th floor. I chose this because it has an Asian theme. It has a living room, a separate dining area and the bathroom was simply SPECTACULAR... it has a separate shower and a jacuzzi that overlooks the Golden Gate Bridge. After I got the bill, I had to recuperate for a whole month , but it was well worth it.

 

If you're ever in SF, I'd recommend the Ritz-Carlton, Mark Hopkins or the Grand Duchess, The Fairmont. The Tonga Room at the Fairmont is just amazing... the band plays afloat a raft that moves back and forth in the middle of the dining area complete with simulated rain. Brett Silvers enjoyed the whole dining experience when he came here a couple of months ago.

 

GD

[Guest Gentle Dude]

RE: Dinner with escorts -- what a delight!

 

Rod,

 

BTW, I have the complete Dark Phoenix Saga. If you still want it, it's yours ...just send me a private message where to mail it.

 

GD

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Dinner with escorts -- what a delight!

 

>I don't know which one you're referring to, but I once

 

 

Well there are a few suites toward the top that have glass solariums. I thought some had hottubs withihn the solarium, but I may have read that wrong.

 

>If you're ever in SF, I'd recommend the Ritz-Carlton, Mark

>Hopkins or the Grand Duchess, The Fairmont.

>GD

 

The Fairmont is my favorite SF hotel. I really like their lobby and the Belvedier Suite. Other favorites are Jr. Suites at Campton Place, and the rooms at the Oriental; though their lobby is pathetic and the bathrooms need work. The Palomar is a fun, modern hotel with wonderfully deep jacuzzis in the suites. I haven't been to Schraeger's newly-reopened "Clift" but I'm in no hurry. I'm not his biggest fan. I dislike the Ritz Carlton. I know I know, but come one...sushi in the Lobby?! The Intercontinental John Hopkins has some really horrible rooms, so you have to

choose carefully. The Huntington is too stuffy for me.

[Scorpio]

RE: Dinner with escorts -- what a delight!

 

>Well there are a few suites toward the top that have glass

>solariums. I thought some had hottubs withihn the solarium,

>but I may have read that wrong.

 

I stayed at the Mark Hopkins several years ago in one of the regular rooms. However, I do remember reading about the suites that have solariums, but I do not recall any mention of hot tubs within the solariums.

 

>The Fairmont is my favorite SF hotel.....The Intercontinental

>John Hopkins has some really horrible rooms, so you have to

>choose carefully.

 

I was fortunate I had great room with a view of the Golden Gate and the TransAmerica building...but I did have to stick my head out the window to see either. However, the best view was of the Fairmont across the street. I was on the 8th floor of the Mark Hopkins and twice I saw a man in room on the 6th floor of the Fairmont getting out of the shower and toweling off. It was at night so everything was in silhouette, but it was still sort of hot!

[EXPAT]

RE: Dinner with escorts -- what a delight!

 

The Tonga Room at the Fairmont? I thought the atmosphere was tacky. I took Derek Colton there (when he was still escorting) and we both thought it was a tourist trap with bad food. It is an amusing experience though. I'll have to give Brett a hard time about that one. In San Francisco, Boulevard is a much superior dining experience.

 

By the way, I just took an escort from London to a fantastic restaurant in Budapest called "Gundel" which is also owned by George Lang who owns Cafe Des Artists in NYC. It was the best restaurant I've been to in Europe and I've been everywhere !!

[Guest cp8036]

RE: Dinner with escorts -- what a delight!

 

Friends and colleagues stay here in SF often, so I get to see various properties.

 

-The Palomar is great choice.

-Argent is nice as well, great beds with lots of pillows and the coolest comforter. Also floor/ceiling windows for great views.

-W is packed with local 20somethings, dressed in black, hanging out at the bar. The place thinks it is Uber-hip, just too cool for most.

-Fairmont is nice, and with nice location bit away from downtown.

-Hilton downtown is below par for the chain (small rooms).

-Colussiem Motel-Oakland is a personal favorite, but you don't get airline mileage credit.

[Guest Gentle Dude]

RE: Dinner with escorts -- what a delight!

 

>I took Derek Colton there (when he was still

>escorting) and we both thought it was a tourist trap with

>bad food. It is an amusing experience though. I'll have to

>give Brett a hard time about that one. In San Francisco,

>Boulevard is a much superior dining experience.

>

 

I'm Asian and like the Chinese cuisine there, but come to think of it, Brett just ordered the whole lobster instead...hmmm, I think I'll ask him about this too myself when I see him this month. No wonder, he asked me to go to John Frank, but I've already made reservations at the Tonga Room. And I agree, Boulevard at the Embarcadero is the best.

 

Derek Colton..no longer escorting?

 

GD

[Guest WetDream]

RE: Tonga

 

GentleDude -- cancel those reservations to the Tonga Room. Nobody from San Francisco goes there for the food -- just to have a drink and watch it rain on the musician's barge. John Frank is a much better restaurant.

[Guest Gentle Dude]

RE: Tonga

 

>GentleDude -- cancel those reservations to the Tonga Room.

>Nobody from San Francisco goes there for the food -- just to

>have a drink and watch it rain on the musician's barge.

>John Frank is a much better restaurant.

 

Now you tell me. I was first invited there by the lead singer of the band, who's also my "comadre" and she asked me to check out the place. I somewhat enjoyed it but next time, I'll try John Frank. Thanks.

 

GD

[Guest cp8036]

RE: Tonga

 

I was not overly impressed with JohnFrank. I went there twice.

 

For a very small portion we paid relatively high prices. The salmon was cooked too much. The tables are too close together. The second time was St. Patrick's Day. I took the corned beef, and to my horror they cut the meat with the grain, and not cross.

 

The service was very good, but it was a very slow night. The busboy was muy cute.

 

Like many restaurants located in a middle of a gay ghetto, they exploit the loyal gay market.