Dinner with escorts -- full price for time?

[DaninWA]

What's In & Out? Is that a euphemism for sex?

[DaninWA]

>Right or wrong? (btw I'm not that much of a jerkoff

>anymore, but still tell me what is right or wrong with that

>statement)

 

"Anymore"?!

 

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :7

[Scorpio]

Hey Rod,

 

For what it's worth, I understood the verb tense in your first post.

 

Scorpio

[DaninWA]

Rod,

 

I apologize if I hurt your feelings with my little post above. I only meant to pull your leg a little.

 

Dan

[Jeff]

I would pay for all the time spent and leave it to the escort to say whether he didn't want to be paid for the dinner time. I think it's cool if that's the case, but in the end this is the escort's time, which, unless he volunteers differently, should be respected. To ask whether it needs to be paid for or not, I think, puts unfair pressure on the escort to have to "be cool" or fear sounding like a jackass. But if he volunteers as such, it's truly appreciated, and I would remember it too and take care of him extra well tip-wise, if only out of appreciation and respect.

[Guest AdamLVescort]

Well Said. :-)

[Guest cp8036]

<..What's In & Out? Is that a euphemism for sex?...>

 

 

An Euphemism for hamburger.

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[Will]

Rod, I was not responding to your post and am sorry that you thought I was taking you to task. I was merely answering the lead question of this thread, hence my post appears directly under the original one.

[Will]

As a rule, the escorts who post here say that they regard themselves as professionals. I do too. That is why I do not tip them. I do not tip the other professionals in my life, such as my doctors, my lawyers, my accountant, and my insurance agent. I do, however, pay them their stated fee without question.

 

I tip those who wait on me -- a bellhop, a waiter, the shoe-shine man -- because they are working for minimum wage and count on the tips for their real income. I also tip the person who cuts my hair, but it is the only tip that really is just a tip -- a couple of dollars is the standard.

 

That is why I try to be clear with escorts about mutual expectations right up front. If I ask the escort, for example, if $300 is an adequate fee for lunch and a romp, and he says "Yes," then that's it. I don't see anything remotely exploitative or disrespectful about that. On the contrary, to me it seems ethical, professional, and respectful.

[Jeff]

Well, it's not exploitative in a horrible way or anything, and, yes, if there are going to be any questions later, it's better to be upfront. But the escort says their fee is $x/hr. It doesn't say $x/hr for certain activities only, $y/hr for others. So to "negotiate" beforehand does mean that one is disrespecting the stated price.

 

Yes, escorts are professionals as are doctors; I don't negotiate with my doctor for a lower rate because I consider some of the appointment time to be worth less than the rest. I do negotiate with a street dealer in Morocco for merchandise. I don't think of escorts as street dealers, or car dealers for that matter.

 

As for tips, that's a personal decision. I don't tip the doctor, but the family doctor does get a gift at Christmas as a token of appreciation. I am more than happy to give a tip to an escort above the stated fee if he's great. Just as it is not my expectation to be charged less for dinner, it's not his expectation perhaps to get a tip above and beyond; but if he is so kind as to say "don't worry about the time at dinner" or to give a break on his own for that, I think it's only considerate for me to return the gesture on some level at the end via a tip.

[Jeff]

One extra detail as I noticed something in what you said: You say escorts are professionals like doctors and that you pay doctors "their stated fee without question." If escorts are like doctors, then they too should be paid "their stated fee without question." To "ask" if "$300 is an adequate fee for lunch and a romp" when perhaps their rate is $200/hr, you are in fact already treating them differently than doctors. You are questioning their fee.

[Rod Hagen]

>In fact, I recall you telling me about asking another escort

>for funzies off the clock. I remember your reaction to his

>rejection.

 

HeyHoo, I think the post you're refering to is the one I asked of an escort in a fly-over state: "Are you planning to got to Outboard(.org) this winter? If you do, do you wanna meet and snowboard (and maybe fuck)?" I was upset with his response that he doesn't do "THE GAY THING" whatever the fuck that is. Do you put your penis in men's butts? Yeah? Guess what, you do the gay thing (you homophobe).

 

That he didn't want to meet didn't bother me in the least. And I made that clear in my post, If that's the post you're refering too? I figure he's insecure about his snowboarding abilities was all.

[Rod Hagen]

A friend pointed out to me that I'm being too sensitive on the Message Center. So for what's it's worth, I'm sorry.

 

Jeff makes some good points. We set our own rates, so we don't need tips. If you like giving gifts, great. If those gifts are cash, great. If the gift is dinner at Mortons as part of an overnight appointment, or a duo massage on the beach at Princeville Resort, that's romantic for both of you, so that's great too.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

> To "ask" if "$300 is an adequate fee

>for lunch and a romp" when perhaps their rate is $200/hr,

>you are in fact already treating them differently than

>doctors. You are questioning their fee.

 

I respectfully disagree. If I were on comfortable terms with my doctor or lawyer, and the timing was right, I might very well ask them if they would like to grab lunch or dinner after our buisness was done -- and I would not expect to see it as a billable hour. If they declined I would understand also. Some of this stuff goes under politeness and friendliness. If the escort is amenable then great, if not then no big deal. A polite offer and a polite acceptance or refusal -- no more complicated than that.. IMHO

 

Personally, I think anyone who pays full fare for dinner has a few loose screws or is in dire need of company. (Have I said too much?) If I have to have that much of someone's time I book an overnight as I have done several times -- they are the most satisifying with the right escort.

[HooBoy]

>As a rule, the escorts who post here say that they regard

>themselves as professionals. I do too. That is why I do

>not tip them. I do not tip the other professionals in my

>life, such as my doctors, my lawyers, my accountant, and my

>insurance agent. I do, however, pay them their stated fee

>without question.

>

>I tip those who wait on me -- a bellhop, a waiter, the

>shoe-shine man -- because they are working for minimum wage

>and count on the tips for their real income. I also tip the

>person who cuts my hair, but it is the only tip that really

>is just a tip -- a couple of dollars is the standard.

>

>That is why I try to be clear with escorts about mutual

>expectations right up front. If I ask the escort, for

>example, if $300 is an adequate fee for lunch and a romp,

>and he says "Yes," then that's it. I don't see anything

>remotely exploitative or disrespectful about that. On the

>contrary, to me it seems ethical, professional, and

>respectful.

 

Will, I am adding your comments to the FAQ. The only thing I am adding, though is if you hire from an agency, tip the guy...assuming he deserves it.

 

Woe the day you have to tip a professional. Can you imagine your doctor standing at the door with his hand held out?

[HooBoy]

>>>Rod wrote: This is why posting here sometimes feels like an excersise in futility with so many people so anxious to cry: ASSHOLE<<<

 

I have been on the internet from the time it was all text to the early days of Mosaic and it has always been the same in forums....there is always someone anxious to cry ASSHOLE.

 

Rod, don't take it personally. Consider the source, chuckle, and move on.

 

HooHole

[Will]

>Personally, I think anyone who pays full fare for dinner has

>a few loose screws or is in dire need of company. (Have I

>said too much?)

 

Not to me, you haven't said too much. Every time I've thought of it since this thread started, I've combed my memory to find one person in my whole life whom I would pay $200/hour simply to be my guest for dinner. So far, I haven't come up with a single face or name, and I don't expect I will. As for gifts, I thought it was the clients of professionals who received a little thanks for their business from time to time. I'm not in the habit of sending my accountant a box of candy at the holidays.

[DannyCruz]

Great question!!! Being an escort in the Big Apple, I do not charge for dinner appointments. Obviously, this is discussed in advance. Dinner is typically followed with "personal time," and that is where I am compensated for my service. The bottom line is, talk openly and directly with the escort so that there are no surprises...

 

Needless to say, I've had an opportunity to dine at some of the best restaurants in New York City, and got to know some interesting clients along the way.

 

Besides, as one friend told me, "A girls gotta eat." Good luck!

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

I guess the thought comes to mind "Why take an escort to dinner in the first place?"

[Guest jeffOH]

ATTENTION EVERYONE!

 

JeffOH and Jeff are two different posters. I just want to make sure there's no confusion regarding this.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest Charon]

In response to Rod's question, I think my answer is:

 

Yes, time is money, but all time is not equal.

[Jeff]

If I have a relationship with an escort over the long term, I'd probably hope that I wouldn't have to pay full price for dinner - just as I'd be more than generous in other ways. But I'd leave it to him; I just don't think it's right to expect differently unless he volunteers. Perhaps because to me money is only money, so $200/hr is really no big deal and not worth hassling over, especially if the person I'm with will benefit from it and we both have a good time in the process.

[Guest JT]

>I guess the thought comes to mind "Why take an escort to

>dinner in the first place?"

 

"Why eat the icing on the cake"? :9

 

 

JT

[HooBoy]

>>sdmuscle wrote: I guess the thought comes to mind "Why take an escort to dinner in the first place?"<<<

 

In my humble opinion, I just possibly could be a fun dinner companion and you might learn something from me. Heck I might learn something from you, too but I wouldn't want to do that if you're going to charge for it. It's just a meal for crying out loud and last time I checked, everyone has to eat.

 

Like I said earlier in this thread, if you don't want to dine with me, I really don't care...it saves me money.

 

I've gained a lot of wonderful friendships breaking bread with guys whom I have come to look upon as friends rather than carnal releases.

 

An escort is a human after all and, as a client, I always try to find something to like about him.;-)

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Why don't I get this post??

 

>I just don't think it's right to

>expect differently unless he volunteers.

 

Expect? I do not expect anything regarding dinner, I ask up front -- a simple concept -- and the right way to do it. If he accepts great, if not that's fine too. (Maybe fear of rejection is an issue with some who are willing to pay full fare without asking, mabye not. )

 

Volunteers!! -- What am I? Is dinner with me a mission from which it is unlikely he will return!! I may be boring but I don't think it is life threatening.

 

Perhaps because to

>me money is only money, so $200/hr is really no big deal and

>not worth hassling over, especially if the person I'm with

>will benefit from it and we both have a good time in the

>process.

 

I might be available for dinner myself, I definitely would benefit from it and we might have a good time. BTW I like those long liesure dinners, mutiple courses, with wines, usually three to four hours. :-)