Dinner with escorts -- full price for time?

[Guest man2man4u40]

As an escort, I usually just have a flat rate for the evening (dinner and recreation). If I were to try to calculate it based on about 3-3.5 hours time, I would say it works out so the first 1-1.5 hours are gratis (dinner) and the other 2 hours are full price(dessert :9).

 

Definitely discuss this with the escort in advance.

[Guest DaddyWayne]

If you take an escort out to dinner at a nice restaurant -- for example, the whole wine and dine scene for a couple of hours -- and then you go back to your or his place for sex....should you pay the escort his full hourly rate for the time you're having dinner or is the price of a nice dinner cover that time and then you pay his hourly rate for the after-dinner sex? I've often wondered what's the proper protocol for dinner first and the bedroom afterwards. I'm not talking about an overnighter -- just dinner and then the bedroom. Would the same reasoning (i.e., pricing) apply if it were a concert or movie first and then the bedroom? What's the thinking about this from both clients and escorts? Thanks guys....

 

Wayne

 

mojohand88@hotmail.com

[Guest AdamLVescort]

Hi Daddy Wayne,

Well for me usually it is discussed way in advance before our date commences. Usually I would have to say it is 50/50. Some guys want a break and I may slack a little and some don't care. I think it is only fair that you talk to the escort in advance about your evening. In fact one guy just recently emailed me and said how about a quote for dinner, show, and play time. Of course I wouldn't charge my full rate since the places he mentioned are pretty expensive and he was happy for the amount I had quoted. Your best bet is to build a friendship that is trustworthy and I think most escorts will accomidate. :-) I am not one to really bargain since it is for my time but my clientel has been awesome and lately I haevn't minded given breaks for the guys that come in town quite frequent. They are my sweethearts, they take care of me and I take care of them.

[Guest lipstick]

Buddy,

 

What I would do is to take the escort to dinner, pay for dinner, and pay him the hourly rate for any post dinner activities. I would not pay an additional rate for the dinner time, since I'm picking up the dinner tab. Of course you need to find out first if the guy is agreeable to the arrangement!!

 

Now if you take the guy to a hamburger joint or some such place, that might be different. Technically, we should be paying for the guy's time, regardless of dinner, but I've been fortunate enough to get together with a guy who enoys the dinner as well as my company, and who doesn't charge me for the dinner time, assuming that I always pick up the tab.

 

But I've gotten used to doing the overnighters.

 

Why don't you just do an overnighter, if that's within your budget?

 

This way, you both get to talk and have a good dinner, then sex afterwards, and EVERYTHING is covered with the overnighter fee.

 

It really does take a load off of my mind, re: how much time is left in the "session", do I have enough money with me...etc., when the entire evening is booked. Generally, I find the overnighter to be the most civilized way of doing things, also dammed romantic, if you're into that.

 

Sounds to me like you are...?

 

In my experience, I find the overnighter to a real bargin overall

because you get to spend time together, enjoy a great dinner (hopefully!!), and oh yes, there also is included the play time.

 

I myself would not bother to ask a "new" guy to dinner (gratis his hourly fee) then an hour or two of sex afterwards. It then does really seem that you're trying to take advantage of the guy's company, without paying the hourly rate. Unless you really know the guy and the both of you already enjoy the company of each other.

 

As I said, it seems awkward to me to do the dinner (gratis the hourly fee) then the sex for pay thing in the very "beginning" of the client/escort relationship. However, if there is ongoing chemistry, and you're a "repeater", then you should certainly be able to respectfully ask the question.

 

Good Luck!

 

Thanks.

[ted]

Assuming you are setting up the appointment this way, I just usually ask "What's the rate for dinner(or a show) and then 1 hour(or 2 hours,or whatever)?" They usually come back with a figure which is less than their hourly multiple, and this way there are no misunderstandings. The other approach, when playtime is early, is to just invite them to join me if they wish-"I'm going to ... for dinner, I'd love to have you join me if you have the time." If they don't have something else planned they often will. And the invitation is during or after the business portion so its pretty clear you are paying for dinner and not more of their time. I've never had anyone say, "Yes, but it will cost you $$more", and I've had a few who actually sprang for a drink at the bar, while I picked up dinner. :9

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Do not assume anything... ask the escort his policy (for you; give specifics (dinner, concert, play, where...) prior to the engagement so he may decide how much he wishes to attend -- it may work to your benefit. Then decide if you are ok with his policy. Some pay full price, some don't pay anything beyond the price of dinner or entertainment. THis is your call to make, just be upfront about it to avoid misunderstandings that ruin the rest of the evening.

[+ Unicorn]

If you bring it up before the date, it will be difficult to negotiate taking him out for free. Often, after I've had sex with an escort I've hired for an hour, I'll offer to take them out someplace nice if they'd like. Some take me up on it and some don't. I personally would not pay someone extra to go out to a nice restaurant. If we're not just mutually enjoying each others' company, I don't see the point. I'll save my $$ for the sexual encounters (they don't have to enjoy my company for that, although it's always nice).

[HooBoy]

Everyone has to eat.

 

I often dine with an escort prior to or after an appointment, but I always suggest a nice place and ask if its okay if we do it off the clock. Sometimes they agree and other times they say they've got other plans or cannot. The deal is I ask them upfront. If they decline, it's no big deal. I'll still eat. It just won't cost me as much. :-)

[NY Observer]

I agree with Hoo. I frequently will invite the guy I'm seeing to join me for dinner. In all cases, I make it clear that it is totally optional, that it in no way impacts whether or not I'll see him, but that the time will be off the clock. If they are agreeable, that's great, I love the company. If not, I am content with the time we spend together behind closed doors. Even on a first date, many of the guys are happy to be treated nicely and taken to a good restaurant.

[Traveller]

I agree with Hoo. I've taken lots of escorts to dinner or theater or flicks or we've tooled around the park or whatever. I pay for an hour. I'll pay for the additional fun if they want to go. I won't pay them for anything more than an hour. Their choice totally. Most say yes because I wouldn't ask unless we've had a great time and I've seen them a couple of times and they've usually told me their schedule.

 

Later.

[+ Lucky]

Well, i have found that escorts usually like to go to dinner as long as I pick up the tab. Trouble is, I always want to go to In & Out.

[adriano46]

Interesting points raised.

 

Generally I prefer longer visits which often include dinner or more, and so I prefer the overnight. It gives me the time to get to know the guy and vice versa, we relax together and I find it makes the sex more intersting in the end. Also deters from financial worries.

 

Of course, based on US rates, it is an extensive and expensive venture. Overseas it is much more reasonable. In fact, just recently I hired a guy for overnight (all tolled, 17 hours) for $300.00 (yes, three hundred). This actually cost less than the theatre tickets and dinner we had!!!! Better, he was one of the most delightful escorts I have ever met (see... ALEKSEI under Moscow!!!).

 

I like Hooboy's suggestion of inviting afterwards, which I have done occasionally in Amsterdam. There most of the escorts are more than happy for a free meal in a nice place, and the time is off the clock most of the time.

 

It would be nice, of course, if this was not so costly, but as most escorts say on their web sights "You are paying for our time together... anything we do in private as adults ... blah blah" So many would think that hey, yeah, we should be paid $200/hour also to sit with the guy for dinner, the theatre, whatever. Rarely has an escort turned the tables and accompanied me for free (but it has happened, mostly again in Europe).

[Rod Hagen]

My response to this question on the message center used to be "when the president or a client at work took me out to lunch, payroll never deducted the time", logically I shouldn't when I escort.

 

Right or wrong? (btw I'm not that much of a jerkoff anymore, but still tell me what is right or wrong with that statement)

[HooBoy]

>My response to this question on the message center used to

>be "when the president or a client at work took me out to

>lunch, payroll never deducted the time", logically I

>shouldn't when I escort.

 

Rod, I don't know you, but I like you. With all due respect, I think if I make it clear that I'm going to eat at Morton's and would you like you to join me "off the clock" I don't think you should take umbrage.

 

In fact, I recall you telling me about asking another escort for funzies off the clock. I remember your reaction to his rejection. If an escort tells me no...it's really no big deal.. I figure it's his loss.

[Traveller]

>My response to this question on the message center used to

>be "when the president or a client at work took me out to

>lunch, payroll never deducted the time", logically I

>shouldn't when I escort.

>

>Right or wrong? (btw I'm not that much of a jerkoff

>anymore, but still tell me what is right or wrong with that

>statement)

 

Wrong. I'm a professional too. It does matter if I work 20 or 40 or 80 hour weeks. The pay's the same.

 

Also, unless you're one of those escorts that does back to backs, why not enjoy something nice at no expense on your down time. You'll also be racking up big points for the future.

 

Later.

[Traveller]

The word should be doesn't. Sorry. I was just whacked in the head by a member of the cell I posted about in Talvin's gas thread.

 

Later.

[Guest AdamLVescort]

LMAO My kinda Meal! :9

[vers7]

This is a reply to Rod Hagen's post and to Hooboy's response. I think Hooboys approach is very sensible. That being said, I am hesitant to ask an escort whom I have never met out to dinner because of (1) the type of response that Mr. Hagan posted and (2) because I enjoy a reasonably personable and intelligent dinner companion.

Having dinner with a business associate is different than treating an escort to dinner. With a business associate, you generally know that you have much in common and the time you spend with him is for your benefit as much as his. I am sure that most escorts who post on this board (such as Mr. Hagen) would make great out-of-bed companions and would create a dinner experience that would enrich me as well as them. However, when dealing with escorts who don't have a following here, I have found tiat it is probably a 50/50 proposition (at best) as to their quality of non-sexual companionship. (Again, no offense to Mr. Hagen or the other bright escorts who post here) but for some escorts, it would be naive for them to expect to be paid for their time at a fine restaurant in addition to the expensive meal.

[Guest lipstick]

Rod,

 

I can't really disagree with your policy of full rate for full time.

 

As the other buddy said, that situation can really get expensive, and with you then, it would really be for play time only.

 

But I would never try to talk down an escort regarding the dinner

"fee." Hey, it's a business arrangement after all, and there are other guys out there; we just have to find that right match, both personal and financial.

 

(God, you must be a hard-ass....)

 

Hey, just kidding. But seriously, the guy I get together with once a month (the sweetie from the Pacific Northwest --- you said he's a friend of yours) told me once when I asked why his overnighter rate was less than a lot of other escort overnighter rates, and he said that he realizes that during a typical day, he can only get-it-off so many times a day with various clients.

 

In order to maintain the quality of the sessions he really prefers to do an overnighter (as opposed to multiple evening sessions with several clients, including travel time, etc.), which includes dinner at a fairly top-notch San Francisco restaurant and breakfast in the morning, all paid for by me.

 

And no, I am not sugar daddy, but I do try to make HIM as comfortable and relaxed as he makes me feel for the evening.

 

Of course my situation is probably not typical, so it may take a while

for clients to find a workable situation with the right guy..

 

Under no circumstances, though, should clients ever hold it AGAINST a guy if the escort would charge for the dinner time. These guys are escorts, after all, not our boyfriends.

 

Thanks!

[Guest jeffOH]

I don't go to dinner with that many clients nor do I do many overnighters. If a regular client of mine asks me to go out for dinner, I don't expect them to pay my hourly rate plus dinner. Dinner

and one hour's rate and maybe a little extra is sufficient. Some clients don't even ask about a reduced rate and pay me for the entire time spent plus dinner.

 

I am one of those escorts who OCCASIONALLY sees clients "back to back"

and I have many regular clients. Most of my clients are an hour at a time, which I prefer. A dinner/fuck can take up most of the evening and time is money, so I can understand where Rod is coming from on this. I guess I am a bit more flexible when it comes to negotiating

though.

It also depends upon the client involved.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest cp8036]

I am sure in many cases being with a client is hard work. Having a dinner may seem nice, but being "on" and "friendly" can be draining. I know it is for me when I take out clients (in a traditional business sense, I am not an escort ). I still remember in 1995 my first time to South Beach. The client "invited" me out after work. To my dismay we went to Hooters for dinner, and then a Marlins game. The last thing I wanted was to eat buffalo chicken wings at Hooters in Miami at 9 pm, when I should have been headed to Sobe.

 

The escort rate at $200/hr assumes a sexual element of the "time". How many hourly workers in their teens/20's/30's get $200/hr? Check the want ads for people looking for a paid companion for an elderly or invalid relative, most run about $5-10-15/hr. Look at jobs where your time is requested to do other tasks... most pay $5-10-15 per hour. To get paid an hourly rate of pay near $200/hr need to go to law school or medical school. Short of that, you have sell your body/sexuality/true feelings/emotions. The $200/hr buys some professional expertise, with an escort the $200/hr buys sex and/or intimacy. But, realistically, without sex/intamacy, one probably cannot earn such rates.

 

If an escort made it clear he does not do anything sexual/intimate, I doubt he would get many bookings. (yes, we've been reminded of escorts who fetched that for cuddling on a sofa with a lonely man -- sure that is rare).

[Will]

If I can't have a conversation with an escort the chances are very good that I don't want to have sex with him either. And I know that I don't want to have sex with someone I've just met five minutes earlier. So I like to take the escort out to lunch or dinner first.

 

I put it this way: Will you tell me what your fee would be to go out to dinner as my guest and afterwards to spend two hours together? So far, the price has never been too high, nor has it ever been a simple multiple of his hourly fee.

 

In general I seek out the kind of escorts who would enjoy that kind of occasion; you can tell that by the kinds of e-mails they write while you're setting up the date.

[Guest cp8036]

Rod,

Perhaps may seem the same as your work. But, if you are dining with Presidents and clients, this salaried job will require a lot of time beyond the typical work hour/day/week. I've spent many Saturdays working on proposals for a Monday am meeting, I don't get extra compensation. It is expected from professionals. I also cut out early for a long weekend trip, so it may be a wash.

 

When you are at a pay rate of $200/hr it is expected you will do a lot for your job, and much of it not calibrated by the hour. $6.00/hour cashiers at the Shell station get paid to work that extra hour.

[Rod Hagen]

This is why posting here sometimes feels like an excersise in futility with so many people so anxious to cry: ASSHOLE.

 

1. I wrote that that was my response in discussions on the message center, which implies that it may or may not have been the same in real life.

 

2. Emphasis on "WAS" which implies "the past".

 

3. I also said that I'm not a prick about it anymore (the implication being "here" or in "real life").

 

If you read my post I asked what readers thought of my message center response to this question IN THE PAST.

 

Sigh..

[Guest JT]

>Everyone has to eat.

 

>I often dine with an escort prior to or after an

>appointment, but I always suggest a nice place and ask if

>its okay if we do it off the clock. Sometimes they agree

>and other times they say they've got other plans or cannot.

> The deal is I ask them upfront. If they decline, it's no

>big deal. I'll still eat. It just won't cost me as much.

 

 

I do too. I often ask the escort (especially repeaters) when we set up the appointment (usually via emails). I'd tell him that I like to have an X-hour appointment and invite him to join me for a nice lunch or dinner afterwards. I'll pay for the lunch or dinner but not additional hourly rate for the time we're together. Most (over 85 %) of the times the escort would agree. It is always a good idea to ask in advance though, even when it is an overnight session.

 

There have also been times that the escorts treat me for nice meals (or sometimes not so nice meals) too!

 

 

JT