Client No Shows

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: Client No Knows

 

BTW, I have agreed with Reg on a number of occasions, although this may not be one of them. :-)

[Boston Guy]

Deej -

 

I like you and respect you. On aspects of this subject, we just disagree, that's all.

 

As I've said elsewhere, a forum where escorts discuss general topics like they're discussed here, only just with other escorts, isn't my business or my concern. My concern comes into play with a forum in which escorts identify clients enough so that other escorts can avoid them. To me, that means enough of a client's details (name, address, phone, etc.; specifically not just an anonymous email address) so other escorts can identify the client and stay away from him.

 

>Any law enforcement official showing up

>at Chez Hooboy with a

>subpoena gets access to both.

>Big woop.

>

 

Perhaps, although getting that kind of broad-brush subpoena might be difficult for a local law enforcement agency. But there's nothing here that actually identifies us... is there?

 

>Do you honestly believe you can

>hide behind your IP address?

>Or an "anonymous" e-mail address?

>

 

Yes, to a certain extent. My IP address, like most people's, is dynamic and thus harder (but certainly not impossible) to trace. The anonymous email addresses are not and are also subject to subpoena. But it's hard to believe a subpoena is likely to be issued against AOL by a local police department on a misdemeanor charge, on the suspicion that the owner of an email address might have hired an escort. However, verifiable name, address, phone number, etc. that's available online might well be a different story.

 

>Wow, you've suddenly become way paranoid.

 

I don't really think so. Instead, I'm arguing for a very prudent standard that emphasizes confidentiality all the way around. This is not at all inconsistent with my prior postings.

 

I think escorts and clients owe each other a lot of confidentiality and must each recognize that a lot of people will fail to keep that trust. And the Internet makes the spread of information way too easy. When you add in popular message centers becoming focal points, privacy can go out the window.

 

>At the least, he will be

>reduced to strict moderation. We've

>done that just this week

>with a well-respected escort who

>I like a lot. It

>pains me to say this,

>but I'm one of the

>ones who voted him off

>the island.

>

 

Yes. I almost posted something about that, because he only threatened to post it on his Web page, not here. But it wasn't my call and I respect your collective judgments.

 

>We already trust the guys to

>be discreet. We expect it,

>in fact. Why do you

>immediately assume they wouldn't be

>discreet in a private forum?

>

 

For a very simple reason: the escort-only forum has been resurrected as a solution to the problem-client issue. In order to function that way, problem clients would HAVE TO BE identified. If they weren't, it wouldn't solve the problem.

 

>Moot point. You didn't know about

>it. But aren't bad clients

>an escort-related topic?

>

 

Talking about bad clients in general and how to handle them and how to be more successful and happier and all those things is fine. Identifying bad clients seems going too far down a very slippery slope.

 

I really, really empathise with the problems these guys have been describing. I like many of the escorts I've met quite a lot and I don't like them being victimized by the behavior of crappy clients. But identifying people publicly, even in a private forum, is a very bad solution.

 

>I keep coming back to my

>point: be a good client

>and they won't be talking

>about you. Or be a

>REALLY GREAT LAY! ;-) THAT

>they might talk about.

>

>You'd complain about that?

 

Actually, I'd prefer that they not talk about me at all. You may have noticed that I try pretty hard not to talk about specific escorts. Instead, I try to stick to the issues.

 

Finally, let me close by saying again that I really respect you and I think I understand where you are coming from. And I think HB's desire to help the escorts with this problem is straight from the heart. But I think the proposed solution -- as I understand it -- is the wrong one.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

RE: Client No Knows

 

>BTW, I have agreed with Reg on a number of occasions...<

 

I know, and I've suspected you two may be the same person.

 

Boy, if that were true, where would that leave that whole identity discussion?

[Guest Sports]

Talvin DeMachio what you do is illegal and those excellent records you keep will make great evidence for a prosecutor and the IRS.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: Client No Knows

 

Joey, joey, joey...

 

ROTFLMAO...

[Guest Zach DC]

Boston Guy state,

"..I don't support any organized format

that would make it easy for anyone

to identify either clients or escorts..."

 

Boston Guy, this is an escort review site. Just less than a zillion escorts are advertised here, along with their e-mail, phone numbers, photographs, and other personal info. Since this site began, police have had everything needed to "identify" and meet most any escort face to face.

 

But now, you keep repeating concerns about the idea of an "escorts only" forum. You worry law enforcement will come to this site, read the private forum, collect client info, and then arrest clients.

 

Choosing between facts about escorts, and hearsay about clients, law enforcement would operate with facts. Ignore the chatting. Forget the gossip. No need to follow bullshit leads. Police can go straight to the escort. And yet, sting operations aimed at escorts, and originating from this site, doesn't seem a huge concern--even for the majority that do, in fact, realize this site has always made it easy for anyone to identify and meet escorts.

 

Use common sense to lessen your fears. Know the law. Make your own decisions. Realize discretion is no longer an ironclad guarantee once two people are involved--or never reveal personal information. And lastly, obviously, the best way to minimize risk of arrest--never break the law.

[+ deej]

<<Yes, to a certain extent. My IP address, like most people's, is dynamic and thus harder (but certainly not impossible) to trace. The anonymous email addresses are not and are also subject to subpoena. But it's hard to believe a subpoena is likely to be issued against AOL by a local police department on a misdemeanor charge, on the suspicion that the owner of an email address might have hired an escort. However, verifiable name, address, phone number, etc. that's available online might well be a different story.>>

 

You're making my own point. ;-)

 

First, given an IP address and a timestamp you most certainly can be traced. AOL is not the most shining example, given their antics of late. (Remember the gay sailor they outed?) And as more and more people get broadband internet connections, they also get static IP addresses.

 

The only safe way not to be traced and held accountable for your online activities is not to be onine. <shrug> The only question is where you draw the line in the sand.

 

You keep harping on personally identifiable information, but you're the only one that's assuming that's what they'll be sharing.

 

I have a lot of trust in escorts, in general. If I didn't, I wouldn't have Christopher Scott's footprint on my bedroom wall. }> If you fear exposure, then unplug that modem right now. You're exposed.

 

But as you yourself have said, it's just not likely that anything will happen.

[Traveller]

Zach DC has finally posted the obvious. In addition, if you've reviewed an escort on this site, you've had to give Hoo an email address. Gosh, I wonder how many states have a warrant out for my arrest. I guess I'll just have to stay at home from now on throwing rugs. In any event, it's time to blast off from bizarro world (the world that includes escorts accurately reporting income and paying taxes - hello earthlings).

 

Later.

 

PS. Zach, I'll see you a week from tomorrow. Your posts are some of the saner here - plus your movie tastes are almost as sick as mine. I trust you fuck well also.

[Talvin DeMachio]

>Talvin DeMachio what you do is

>illegal and those excellent records

>you keep will make great

>evidence for a prosecutor and

>the IRS.

 

I am not worried about the IRS coming after me. I report my taxes each year legally. I am not hiding anything from the IRS at all. I am not going to say how I am reporting my taxes. I have a really good CPA and I have a really good friend of mine who works for the IRS and he is part of the Criminal Investigation Division. I always have him look over my things. He tells me I am doing just fine.

 

People hire me for my time. Now what we make of that time is up to us.

 

 

 

 

Talvin DeMachio

http://www.talvindemachio.com

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Geez,

 

I do like them smart... expecially those that pay attention to detail and cover their bases.

 

:-)

 

As for your encription algorithm -- I hope it is PGP or better, if you are a cryptologist on the side. Now if we could only break the code that unlocks the treasure and get you on your knees. }>

[Talvin DeMachio]

>Geez,

>

>I do like them smart... expecially

>those that pay attention to

>detail and cover their bases.

>

>

>:-)

>

>As for your encription algorithm -- I hope it is PGP or better, if you are a cryptologist on the side. Now if we could only break the code that unlocks the treasure and get you on your knees. }>

 

Tampa Yankee,

 

Yes, I am using the highest method of PGP encryption. I love that program. At one time I use to require that when people write me that they use PGP as well. But not too many people knew how to do that so I dropped using PGP when people wrote me. Now I just PGP all my E mail on my PC and have a very good fire wall program as well. Not too many people know I am an IT.

 

As for the algorithm to my knees. I personally programmed that one. No one will be able to break that code

Talvin DeMachio

http://www.talvindemachio.com

[Guest creosote]

Nothing ridiculous about escorts paying taxes on what they earn. It's very risky not to unless the escort has a day job and only hooks on the side. Escorts who do it full time need to file something because someday they will get a straight job and have to file their first return and then the IRS will want to know why they didn't file returns for previous years.

 

As far as having a board where escorts post identifying information about clients who stand them up, if that happens on this site it's a good reason to avoid any escort you know is participating on this site. Not all risks are equal. There's a different degree of risk in climbing Mt. Shasta than in climbing the Eiger. There's a different degree of risk in having your temporary IP address recorded on this site than in having your telephone number posted on a message board here. Just because a person is willing to take a certain amount of risk doesn't mean he'll take ANY risk.

[Guest Zach DC]

Hey Traveller, thanks. Your words gave me a warm and fuzzy Sally Field kind of moment.

 

I'm eagerly awaiting next Saturday. (So is my cock.)