Client No Shows

[marc anthony]

Well thank you, Ethan! I am still working on that degree in anesthesiology, by the way! LOL xoxox

 

Mark (still dreaming that some day ONE of the two of us will become versatile!)

[Michael Vincenzo]

This is a great post that covers a topic that I dealt with during my recent trip to Chicago. Out of the mere three appointments that I confirmed for Chicago, a total of 5 hours amongst three clients, only one of them came through. I had a two-hour appointment, with a repeat client that was a no show. Upon reconfirming another appointment three hours prior to meeting, the client told me that he would not be able to make it; I wondered if he had intended to contact me to cancel at all. Luckily, my one and only client in Chicago (well, actually in Minneapolis) saved my trip.

 

Like Talvin Demachio, I also require that one half of my rate be paid in advance for any appointment that is 12 hours or more. I have given quite a bit of thought to making that a requirement for any appointment that is 2 hours or more, but have not decided if that would be sensible.

 

I really like the notion that we are trying to raise the bar on the whole escort experience, but I don’t think many clients or potential clients grasp this as enthusiastically as professional escorts do. There are always exceptions and that would include clients who hire escorts on a regular basis. To some clients, and you can always tell which ones, hiring an escort is considered a “dirty deal” or a hustle. It is completely understandable because, although escorting has become a booming business with service comparable to any major industry, our society’s morality causes people to conform to the idea that escorting is not a valid or valued career. I am definitely giving my best shot at changing the way escorting is viewed.

 

The idea of having a forum for escorts only is very appealing to me. In the two and a half years that I have been involved with this industry, I feel very lucky to say that I have met more good people than bad people. On the other hand, the few bad clients that I have experienced have been really bad. There used to be a black list somewhere on the internet for escorts to identify clients who could possibly be dangerous. There is quite a bit to consider regarding this matter as discretion is something that any good escort guarantees and is highly regarded by clientele in their decision to hire an escort. I believe that clients void the original commitment to discretion when blatantly malicious intent is involved.

 

I’m not sure how a forum for escorts only could be regulated. My suggestion, if this type of forum were created, would be that escorts limit the details regarding clients to a minimum. It would be very helpful to know which potential clients have a history of violence or mental/emotional instability. The forum would definitely need to be reserved for escorts as not to endanger them when information is shared. It would be a great resource for escorts just as the M4M review site is for clients, but there would certainly be a need for some type of regulation. Assuring that the information is accurate to protect the client and assurance that the forum is limited as an escort’s resource, for the safety of the escort, are the most important issues in my opinion.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>Joey...had you gotten at least 1/2 your fee in advance, at least you would have had some compensation. Asking for 1/2 your overnight fee several days prior from a first-time client tends to weed out the flakes.<

 

Hi Jeff. You bring up an interesting point for me. How does one go about collecting a payment in advance? In over fifteen years of escorting, I've never collected anything in advance (with the exception of plane tickets.) Fortunately I've always placed my trust in those worthy of it, with the exception of the above client and a couple others like him. I've wasted some time, but have never really been robbed. Does the client send cash in an envelope? Direct transfer? Check? Without giving up your real name to a virtual stranger (the client you've yet to meet face to face), I see no way of collecting, short of going to the client a day or two before the date and requesting hundreds of dollars for the promise of services yet to be rendered. Are all of your clients cool with this procedure? How about clients here on these boards. Do you guys mind paying half in advance for an overnight with an escort you've never been with before, and how do you pay?

 

>...he was probably getting off on the 8 months of e-mails and phone chats.

 

I'm sure he was. I don't mind folks getting a cheap thrill, as long as it leads to actual work. 9 times out of ten it does. I have to assume every email I recieve regarding my services is leading up to someone getting off at some point. But correspondence with my no-show within that eight months was sporadic, mainly consisting of us trying to find a date we'd both be able to make it on. For some (legitimate) reason or another, one of us would always be unable.

 

>Unfortunately, most of what I've learned over the past 10 years

of escorting has been learned the hard way.<

 

Yeah, me too. Thankfully it's been more filled with fun and rewards rather than hard learned lessons, but one very easy lesson to learn was that there are more decent guys out there than not. That position may make me naive or too trusting, but it's been the truth of my experiences.

 

>I don't mind communicating with a client via e-mail, but really it doesn't take a dozen e-mails to set up an appt.<

 

You're right, it only takes 2 pieces of email to set up an appointment, or a single phone call. But for me, it takes a few more emails than that to establish a repoir and a sense of intimacy and trust, and to get a read on someone, to know if we click or not. No clickee, no washee.

 

Thanks for your comments and advice, Jeff. Next time I'm in Ohio we should hire each other, but let's do an even exchange so as to avoid sending cash advances back and forth.

;-)

[+ Charlie]

I have two questions about an escorts' forum.

 

1)How does one confirm that he is an escort? Could someone cease to escort but still manage to access the forum?

 

2)What if an escort, for malicious reasons, posts untrue charges about a client? Since clients couldn't access the forum, how would they know about and be able to respond to negative "reviews"?

[Guest DCescortBOY]

while i'm not jeff, i can tell you how i do it...

 

<<Hi Jeff. You bring up an interesting point for me. How does one go about collecting a payment in advance?>>

 

there are several options, some riskier than others:

1) client sends cash to your PO box;

2) client sends funds via Western Union or MoneyGram, using a password to protect identity;

3) PAYPAL!

personally, i prefer PayPal, because it protects the identities of both parties. all he needs is your email address, and all you'll know is his. he doesn't have to worry about you having his credit card info, because you never do. and as long as he states in the email in which he sends the money to you, that it is a non-refundable travel deposit, chargebacks are unlikely.

[Justice]

The existance of an escorts only forum was confirmed by an escort who posted some very limited details about a situation that appeared to be a possible sting operation. He concluded his post by stating that he would post additional details in the escorts only forum. As I recall, that revelation led to a short debate about the need for such a forum. The escorts only forum was shut down a couple of weeks later when a disgruntled former escort posted, in one of the public forums, a copy of a thread that he had downloaded from the private part of the board. He threatened that would be the first of many such posts and we went to moderation shortly thereafter.

 

I, for one, think that the escorts only forum should be reactivated. It would be a great place for the escorts to "talk shop" without having to worry about holding back. (Posting specific details about possible sting operations is an example of something that shouldn't be discussed in a public forum.) A client can always change his screen name in order to avoid putting his foot in his mouth. Escorts don't have that luxury and I'm sure that many of them hold back because they don't want to offend people. The only risk that I foresee is that another loose cannon might copy (and publish) things that were meant to be seen by a limited group of people. Unfortunately, I don't see how that can be prevented. (We can always go back to full moderation, but there is nothing to stop someone from posting copies on other boards.) :-( x(

[Guest DCescortBOY]

there already exist blacklists in other places. there is a mailinglist reserved for active escorts (they apparently do some checking).

why sully this site with another one?

[OneFinger]

Joey,

 

Sorry to hear you got stood-up. As a client, here are my suggestions:

 

1. NEVER agree to an overnight on the first visit.

 

2. Get 1/2 of overnight fees in advance. (PayPal would be my preferred method of payment. And, NO, I wouldn't be offended by an escort making that request. However, after numerous successful dates, I'd appreciate the escort dropping that request and trusting me.)

 

OneFinger

[ted]

I just don't hire for an overnight without meeting the guy first. I usually hire for an hour or two for the first meeting, if we click he goes on the travel list, if we don't I'm out 2 to 500, and often I've had a good time, just not a great time. The one time I hired for an overnight without knowing the guy it was a disaster, and right then I said never again. Right now I have 4 guys who I would travel with, which is probably two to many for my bank account

[ted]

Another way of doing it is just with a PO box and a business checking account. Set up a PO Box or even a mail drop at places that just do that, they are common in CA, haven't seen them as much elsewhere but I think they do exist in major cities. Also set up a bank account as JCServices, or JCPerTraining, or JCI or whatever and have the client send a money order to the business to the PO box.

[Guest ManToManEscorts]

Hi Guys!

 

I'm so glad this thread was started. So often we hear of Escorts cancelling or not showing up, but I cannot tell you the number of booking sheets that have gone in the wastebasket because the client made himself suddenly "unreachable," around the time of his appointment. You would be amazed at the percentage of clients that have "relatives dying", "family emergencies," at the last minute. (Granted, some may be legit, but come on -- how may grandmothers can one person possibly have??)

 

I unfortunately must agree with Marc Anthony, that client cancellations must be factored in as part of the cost of being in this business. When a client books one of my guys, I put the escort on hold for that client for that time period -- and I rarely book my guys on more than 1 call per day, meaning that often I turn down potential bookings if the guy is already reserved. So that means that both the Agency and the escort are doubly-screwed if there's a last-minute cancellation.

 

Most remedies to this situation have already been discussed, and I'll re-iterate a few:

 

1) Be more aggressive in getting a contact number from client. In this cellular age, few clients with the bucks to hire escorts can not afford to have a cell phone as well. At the very least, get the last name his hotel room will be under. The escort should not begin travel to the call until client is in the room.

 

2) Bookings made in advance must be confirmed THE DAY OF the booking, either by phone or E-mail.

 

3) Bookings of more than 12 hours require deposit. Agencies and Independents who can accept credit cards are at an advantage here.

 

4) For last-minute bookings, ALWAYS get a phone number to call the guy back. This can prevent wild goose chases to non-existent addresses. If he will not give you a contact number, proceed at your own risk.

 

5) If Escort is visiting a client's home for the first time, check on Mapquest.com to see if the address actually exists.

 

Well, this is all I can think of for now. Just my 2 cents worth from someone who's been there. :-)

 

Dave

http://www.ManToManEscorts.com

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Hey Joey...

 

Are all of your clients cool with this procedure? How about clients here on these boards. Do you guys mind paying half in advance for an overnight with an escort you've never been with before, and how do you pay?

 

My opinion for what it's worth... even if we are way past this issue. (BTW, I do recommend Joey without hesitation as a reliable escort for those willing to provide up-front partial payment.)

 

Any sort of up-front payment is a nonstarter for me... in almost all cases where I do not know the escort first hand. There are only a few escorts I haven't met with which I'd feel comfortable enough to provide half payment up front -- and I'd have to want to see them very badly. It hasn't happened yet and probably isn't likely to happen. But I always travel to overnights anyway unless they happen to be in my neighborhood for some other reason.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>1. NEVER agree to an overnight

>on the first visit.

>

 

I think this is a wise policy in general and have advocated such to other clients in the past. Having said that, if I or the first-time escorts I have seen for overnights had followed that advice, I would have never had an overnight. The reason, I saw escorts in other cities that I travelled to just for that occasion; and in most instances they had travelled there too as part of a business tour, working vacation, etc. so a get-to-know-you hourly was not in the cards. Fortunately, it always worked out great -- has to do with attending to homework in making the selection. There is a potential for bad chemistry... that is a real risk... but I as I said I have done my homework and maybe I have been lucky.

 

Joey C. was the toughest guy to schedule and my biggest risk I felt. Toughest in that he required a phone interview -- my one and only... I passed. (All other first time overnights were arranged by email.) I understood it was a risk for him though because I was staying in his room and it was an overnight. It was my biggest risk because he had no track record that I knew of except for his posts on the board. I made my decision based on his posts after mulling it over for a period. It was the correct decision for me -- the overnight turned into a great weekend.

 

>2. Get 1/2 of overnight fees

>in advance.

 

Not from me... as I mentioned above. There are very few people I haven't met that I'd be willing to send several hundred dollars to for the promise of an engagement -- just not in my make-up.

 

 

> However, after numerous

>successful dates, I'd appreciate the

>escort dropping that request and

>trusting me.)

>

This expectation would require 'numerous successful dates' ??

 

I accept that everyone has their own comfort level. Sometimes they are consistent with mine, other times they are not -- each of us must draw the line somewhere. It happens on rates, it may also happen on terms and conditions. Nothing wrong with either.

[ServeUncutUncle]

Maybe Hooboy and Daddyintraining could start an Escrow account service,where the 50% upfront fee is paid into escrow, then the Escort pays 10% of the amount to Hooboy for his escrow services, this would appear to be the most cost effective method for all concerned [Payments made in Advance are for time only] Sure DaddyinTraining could get somebody to write a simple program.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>Hey Joey... Any sort of up-front payment is a nonstarter for me... in almost all cases where I do not know the escort first hand.<

 

Big Yank, I've always assumed that would be the case with most clients, which is why I've never asked. Thanks for making an exception with me by even planning an overnight (faith in kismet?), and for proving to me that my own trust had been well placed. Caution, prudence, gut instincts, and taking the time to get to know someone have often been my best security deposits, and I imagine that in spite of my recent no-show I'll stick with those.

Thanks to those who posted the options. Should the scenario ever arise where I feel a deposit is required, I now know what to do.

[Guest Sports]

I agree with Deej on this post. Talvin, you need to get some sleep. I can't believe you're going to post names, addresses and phone numbers of people who didn't meet with you. I agree with you that its not fair but get over it.

[Guest cp8036]

Is bad indeed, from a client or an escort.

 

However, I think it is safe to say the clients that post here are not the types that flake out. Too bad escorts and/or HooBoy cannot reach the others.

[Guest cp8036]

I can understand request for 50% of fee upfront, however, I would be extremely reluctant to forward hundreds of dollars to someone unknown.

 

Then again, I wouldn't hire a first-time escort for an overnight, especially one from out of town. Kinda risky for both parties.

 

How many escorts see first-times for overnighters? If I were an escort, I would like know if he is sane or not, will be sharpen the axe as I sleep? Wouldn't be better to see such newcomers for an hourly to start, and then have an idea about his worthiness.

[Talvin DeMachio]

>I agree with Deej on this

>post. Talvin, you need

>to get some sleep.

>I can't believe you're going

>to post names, addresses and

>phone numbers of people who

>didn't meet with you.

>I agree with you that

>its not fair but get

>over it.

 

 

Sports,

 

Like I said at the top. I am not going to post ALL of their information. It will have their first name, part of the last name....like maybe the first initial, area code and prefix of their phone number, and the city and state. I am not going to reveal all of the information. But it's not something easy to get over. Especially when you confirm and reconfirm. Some guys really GET OFF on doing this and do it to many escorts time and time again. I was thinking quite clearly when I wrote that statement.

 

Talvin DeMachio

http://www.talvindemachio.com

[Rod Hagen]

Uhg, I hate these people who don't show. If I do pull an explanation out of them it usually boils down to "Spaced It". Doorknob.

 

-Hagen

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"Good afternoon Oceania traffic.

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active two-five runway for a left turn at

the shoreline"

[Guest cp8036]

<I can always reinstate the Escorts Only Forum where they can share the people who stand them up, but I don't know if this is the place to do that. >

 

How would a client rebutt a comment from an escort? Seems the "escorts only" means clients would not know what is being said about them. There is opportunity for abuse, just as there is here by some clients.

 

Is it possible an escort's view be subjective, jaded, or bitter? For example: he doesn't get a tip, was kinda pissed, so he writes a slanted comment about this client, or, he finds the client rude, but another guy may think he is just sarcastic, etc.

 

For me, the MOST valuable part of the entire review are the rebuttals to a negative review.

[+ Lucky]

I agree with CP.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

So cp8036, do you have something to propose to facilitate a rebuttal proccess or are you raising this issue as a show stopper?

[Guest Zach DC]

>...it is a cost of doing business no matter what

>field/profession you are in. There really is no

>good way to prevent (no shows) from happening.

 

 

Hey marc anthony. Great post and an excellent point. Escorting is not so unlike many other professions. There will always be potential clients that cancel or don't show.

 

One obvious difference between escorting and say, buying a car, is the selling process. A car dealer discusses warranties, undercoating, and airbags with the potential buyer. An escort reveals dick size, fuck positions, and whether he will kiss the potential client.

 

It's hard for escorts not to take it personally when the client doesn't show. Promises of intimacy had been made. It's disheartening to discover it was all just a waste of time.

 

A successful service provider has great customers as his majority, but he also encounters window shoppers, cheapskates, and assholes. He learns how best to avoid problem customers and "no shows," but unfortunately, some are unavoidable.

 

Don't waste more time dwelling on the negative crap. Focus energy on the great experiences.

 

And thumbs up to HooBoy reinstating the escort only forum. Escorts talking shop among themselves sounds like a good idea.

[Guest cp8036]

I don't have any ideas to handle the process, do you? I am not a smart man. Mine was only a comment about the aforementioned point.

 

Just seems bit one-sided if a client writes a bogus review, the escort can reply, and tear apart everything the client said. He will come out on top. I think without fail, the escort will with the "battle".

 

Conversely, a client is not only unable to rebutt a bad review, he won't even know what is being said.

 

But, I do realize an escort has more to lose by being maligned on one of the largest gays sites in the world -- money !!! Whereas the client looses his privacy.