Client No Shows

[HooBoy]

A popular escort on this site called me tonight perplexed because for two nights in a row he was stood up.

 

Thursday the client emailed him a confirmation that their appointment would take place and said he would call him. He never did.

 

Friday night, another client who had booked an overnight assured him he would call him when he was finished with his meetings, but he never did call.

 

This escort only books one client a day, so he loses money when they bag out on him like that.

 

I'm wondering if there is something we can do to diminish that probability or if any of you have advice for the guys that block out time and then lose money because of it.

 

I can always reinstate the Escorts Only Forum where they can share the people who stand them up, but I don't know if this is the place to do that.

 

As clients, I think we should be as concerned about those who do not live up to their commitments as we would be for the escorts that expect to do the same because it ultimately reflects on us as a whole.

 

If we are raising the bar - and we have, I think it should go both ways.

 

What do you think?

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[Talvin DeMachio]

This is a problem with many escorts. And it happens from me time to time. I always make sure 3 hours before our appointment that the client reconfirms with me. If I don't hear from them then they are automatically cancelled.

 

If they still no show. Then they become part of my black list. And I am going to be posting this list on my site soon for all to see.

 

But I will be protecting some of their information. I will post their first name and first few initials of their last name.

The city and state they live in, and the area code and prefix of their phone number.

 

Many clients only hear of the no shows of the escorts. No one ever talks about the no shows of the clients. And there are some clients out there that actually get off on doing this to escorts.

 

I wish you would put that thread back up hoo boy. If any of the escorts abuse the board. First time give them a warning, second time yank their membership to post on here.

 

I got to get some sleep

 

Talvin

[marc anthony]

I agree that an unexplained no-show is both bad manners and costly to an escort. Unfortunately, it is a cost of doing business no matter what field/profession you are in. There really is no good way to prevent it from happening. Best advice I can give to an escort is:

 

1) Communicate a couple of times with clients by phone or email prior to the meeting. Then you both can get a sense of reliability and integrity of the other.

 

2) If you do get stiffed, don't become jaded. The loss of a couple of appointments is minor in the long run to changing your personality and becoming less attractive to the majority of good clients who could become repeat customers.

 

3) Keep a positive outlook. I am sure that if you are doing what it takes to become a popular escort, the good experiences will far outweigh the bad.

 

It is interesting that you could deliver this exact same advice to clients too. In the end, both human relationships and business transactions are two way streets... and they can be highly affected by positive (or negative) vibes from either party. Don't dwell on the disappointments; cherish the successes!

[Guest biga]

Now i have read everything,you mean that somebody out there is STUPID enough to turn down time with someone like Talvin,Jeez how dumb is that !!!!!.

[Guest jeffOH]

1)Make more than one appointment a day!

 

2)If it's a 1st time overnighter, ask for at least 1/2 the money

a few days prior.

 

3)Don't budge until the 1st time client is in town and in his

hotel room and has called to confirm.

 

4)If a client makes an appt. in advance, have them call a few hours prior to confirm and if it's incall, have them call again

an hour prior for directions.

 

This is bound to happen if someone is accepting only one appt. a

day. This can cause you to miss out on for-sure clients, putting

them off and pissing them off. First come...first served!

So I suggest re-evaluate your scheduling or get used to it. There are plenty of flakes out there who will waste your time.

It's next to impossible to make a living full-time seeing just 1

client a day...how can you build up a clientele when they're constantly having to work around your 1 client a day rule. I know some escorts who use the 1-a-day as a marketing ploy to make

themselves sound somehow more "exclusive" and "fresh". But, hey

if that's the supposed way you want to run your business, don't

come bitching when it doesn't work out.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com P.S. I sound a little bitchy before that 1st cup of coffee...so I hope no one takes this personally.

[+ Charlie]

Hooboy, I understand your sympathy for the escort, but I don't understand what you expect the readers of this forum to do. After all, there is no professional organization of clients which can sanction its members in some way.

 

As for advice to escorts, I'd say the same thing that I advised clients in a recent post: for a first time appointment, schedule for only one hour (unless you get an advance deposit for a longer session).

[Talvin DeMachio]

It happens from time to time. Some guys get their rocks off on that.

 

If I have a client that is going to be anything over than 12 hours. I always ask for 50% up front plus airfare before I do anything.

 

Another thing I just recently started to do is that if a call is blocked on my cell phone I always ask for a contact number that I can reach the client at. I tell them I need to be able to get a hold of them and will be calling them right back. Some clients due to privacy issues with marrage or whatever cannot do so...so I need at least an E mail adddress. If I cannot get either of thoes things then I must have them call me several times before the actual appointment. I ALWAYS have stand-by list of back up clients where ever I go.

 

Hope this helps some.

 

Talvin

[+ deej]

>I'm wondering if there is something

>we can do to diminish

>that probability or if any

>of you have advice for

>the guys that block out

>time and then lose money

>because of it.

 

HANG THE BASTARDS! }>

 

(Sorry, that first cup of coffee is just hitting.)

 

Seriously, I don't see that there's much we can do here. Personally, I think a guy who no-shows on an escort is a client the escort probably wouldn't want to see anyway. I have sympathy for the loss of income, but he's still probably better off.

 

The *best* thing we can do is to discuss it here (thank you HooBoy) so that clients are aware that it's improper behavior to no-show. It's funny what some people think is "OK" to do.

 

>I can always reinstate the Escorts

>Only Forum where they can

>share the people who stand

>them up, but I don't

>know if this is the

>place to do that.

 

It's as good as any place. You're trusted, and it's pretty easy to do isn't it?

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

I'd like to take more time to respond to this issue, unfortunately, I have a plane to catch this afternoon and must run, so I'll make it short...

 

It is a two way street!!! We clients do have the responsibility to show or to cancel with appropriate notice.

 

Escorts should have a way to share this information among themselves and reinstituting the Escort's forum seems to me the only practical venue at the moment. However, it would require discretion on their part too given the potential for rogue escorts to compromise the forum. So keep it business and take the opinions off line.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

I just got back from Richmond where I was stood up for an overnite. Got a confirming email that morning (after about eight months of email correspondence and a few phone chats), hopped on a train and waited around for a phone call that never came. No answer on his end either. After three or four hours of waiting in that hellhole (sorry, but Richmond sucks even more now), I caught the last bus out of town. No email was awaiting my return home and I've still heard nothing. I had turned down two gigs in DC this weekend so I could be in Richmond. I'm a bit pissed, but also a bit concerned. After all this time I feel like I know the guy and it seems very unlike what I think he's like to just blow me off. We started planning this in June for crying out loud. Probably a case of cold feet on his part, still, I'm out close to a grand in potential revenue and a day's worth of time, not to mention my travelling expenses. I'd tried arranging additional clients in town, but after a few interested parties and I realized it couldn't happen this weekend (they wanted the night I was already booked to my no-show), I had contented myself with believing the overnite would take place as arranged. I was disappointed.

 

It's happened before and it'll happen again. It's the nature of the beast, but what can you do?

[Guest Viewmaster]

>I can always reinstate the Escorts

>Only Forum where they can

>share the people who stand

>them up, but I don't

>know if this is the

>place to do that.

 

 

I'd have concerns about doing that. The effectiveness of a place like this is the openess, even if it is anonymous. A "private" place for either escorts or clients would only put up a wall bewteen clients and escorts, and in doing so would breed suspicion. Both sides would start to wonder what the other was saying behind the "closed" door. I will always come down on the side of inclusion, not exclusion. I just don't think exclusion creates a healthy, trusting atmosphere.

[Guest JD]

"No Shows" are definately a two-way problem. I concur with 50% up front for overnight/weekend appointments. Also like the suggestion that the escort have the clients phone number. (My cellular phone ID is automatically blocked on all out-going calls but I gladly provide it to my escorts.)

 

Also like HooBoy's suggestion to implement an "Escorts Only" forum. I recommend that the clients HooBoy ID "name" be used (in my case JD). That would provide a commonality for identification of clients.

 

However, I would NOT suggest that HooBoy provide other info (e-mail, phone, etc.) on clients. That would only put him in the middle between clients and escorts.

[Guest jeffOH]

Joey...had you gotten at least 1/2 your fee in advance, at least you would have had some compensation. Asking for 1/2 your over-

night fee several days prior from a first-time client tends to weed out the flakes. Otherwise, they have an out...he was probably getting off on the 8 months of e-mails and phone chats.

Unfortunately, most of what I've learned over the past 10 years

of escorting has been learned the hard way. I know how it feels to have your time wasted like that, especially when you've had to turn down other clients.

 

I don't mind communicating with a client via e-mail, but really it doesn't take a dozen e-mails to set up an appt. I can usually

tell when someone is serious or just yanking my chain.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[+ deej]

>I'd have concerns about doing that.

> The effectiveness of a

>place like this is the

>openess, even if it is

>anonymous. A "private" place

>for either escorts or clients

>would only put up a

>wall bewteen clients and escorts,

>and in doing so would

>breed suspicion. Both sides would

>start to wonder what the

>other was saying behind the

>"closed" door. I will always

>come down on the side

>of inclusion, not exclusion.

>I just don't think

>exclusion creates a healthy, trusting

>atmosphere.

 

I can understand your worries. But consider this.....

 

This forum is pretty much the "office water cooler" where men who hire men swap stories. (And some of the fabulous men we hire hang around too.)

 

Why shouldn't the escorts have their own "office water cooler"? A place to hang with only those that do what they do? Chat about the glamour and the garbage that they experience? Share tips that they may not feel comfy with in public.

 

I don't see any reason to deny it to them. It existed before. It was only shut down because of a jerk that quoted verbatim from that forum in public.

 

Let's give the boys a place to chat amongst themselves. Will they talk about us? Sure! That's the point. You want the chat about us to be good? Be a good client.

 

The only reason I can see for worrying about their private chat is maybe not being such a good client. }>

[Guest JD]

>I can usually tell when someone is serious or just

>yanking my chain.

 

Jeff,

 

I love your well-reasoned and sensible responses. But I'm shocked with your latest revelation that you allow clients to use chains.

 

Am saving my pennies and anxious to meet you and your chains on my next visit to Ohio. ;-)

 

JD

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

That sounds ok on the face of it... but if you really want to put the issue on an equal footing then you must require us clients to give up our anonymity. We can say whatever we want and without penalty book escorts under a completely different name. But escorts work under a publicly identifiable name, thus the potential for repercussion exists for their comments, even legitimate ones, regarding clients. Until we have a level playing field, the escorts need a private forum to discuss 'problem clients' ... MHO

 

BTW, I'm not advocating a 'level playing field' but the need for a private forum.

[Guest jeffOH]

>>I can usually tell when someone is serious or just

>>yanking my chain.

>

>Jeff,

>

>I love your well-reasoned and sensible

>responses. But I'm shocked with

>your latest revelation that you

>allow clients to use chains.

>

>

>Am saving my pennies and anxious

>to meet you and your

>chains on my next visit

>to Ohio. ;-)

>

>JD

 

Hey JD....12,000 pennies here at my place, 14,000 at your hotel.

Of course that was a metaphorical chain, but I'm sure I could

find something on which you can "yank"!}>

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest DCescortBOY]

we all know that i'm sort of stingy with praise, and after the TD incident, i'll never laud another escort in my life...

however, i've got to say that marc anthony is consistently a fecund, genuine, warm, and thoughtful source of delight in this forum.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

my opinion is totally irrelevant, but, here goes nonetheless....

i don't know that reinstating the escorts' forum will do much.

your concern to help is is noted, though, and appreciated.

the drawbacks are just too numerous with the suggested forum though. if we mention specific clients, there will be accusations of unfairness. if we don't get specific, our comments will be moot since we won't know WHICH client is the dooh-dooh head being discussed.

quite honestly, it is a regrettable fact of life in escorting: there will be some people who dick you around. it is unfortunate, but it is as unavoidable as war on the international scene. if you can't deal with the random poop head, this isn't really the best way to earn money.

[Will]

This is a legitimate professional concern; and although there might be no way to prevent it altogether, it sounds common enough to warrant the escorts' having some way of letting other escorts know about problem clients.

 

But this is my quandry -- not reservation. We all use aliases on this board. The escorts use aliases, too, but those are the names they use professionally. However, when I'm with an escort, he knows my legal name, where I live, where I work, what I do, and all the rest. Although I myself am not in a position to be of any use to a blackmailer, I assume that there are clients here whose faces and/or names are well known to the general public. I also know for a certain fact that some of the escorts who "appear" here have worked for extremely famous people, people whose faces would be immediately identifiable to practically anybody who picked up a newspaper in a developed country.

 

Therefore, the question of genuine anonymity vs. online anonymity seems to me problematical. As I said, I don't really mind if escorts know and use my real name. I'm not closeted, not married, and not a member of a profession, like the clergy, that would be damaged by the disclosure that I hire escorts. What's more, I'm neither rich nor famous. But I am concerned for those men whose identity really needs to remain secret. Is there a way to protect them on an escorts-only board?

[Guest DCescortBOY]

your quandAry is exactly why i think it shouldn't be brought here.

there ARE already fora for blacklisting clients. i'm just not sure it should have a place HERE.

[Guest Viewmaster]

>Why shouldn't the escorts have their

>own "office water cooler"? A

>place to hang with only

>those that do what they

>do? Chat about the glamour

>and the garbage that they

>experience? Share tips that they

>may not feel comfy with

>in public.

 

Clients don't have their own place to talk privately that I am aware of. All conversations here are in front of everyone, escorts included, and as you said, escorts participate here as well. I think that is good.

 

>The only reason I can see for worrying about their private chat is maybe not being such a good client. }

 

From what I've read here it appears that occasionally an escort is stalked or harassed by a client. I'm sure that the reverse is true as well.

[Guest WetDream]

Seems like most people agree that "no shows" are a problem for escorts as well as clients. Most also are aware that it would not be easy to set up a forum that offers some protection to clients (see DC's reply #18). There are a lot of smart people out there and a solution should be possible with collective thoughts.

 

Perhaps a client review form could be created similar to that used to rate escorts, but a bit more limited in scope. It could just contain information to watch out for: no shows, short changers, risky sexual practices requested, etc. It would be interesting to see what data would actually be useful to our escorts friends. There should also be a way to identify the client without totally blowing his anonymity (last three digits of phone number, first four letters of e-mail address, who knows?) I personally don't have any problems with limiting forum access to escorts. If this is done, could clients be sent a copy of the review and have the opportunity to respond?

 

I think that the good clients and the good escorts are on the same side here. But the good guys are never the problems, are they?

 

Yours in confusion,

WetDream

[+ deej]

>Is there a way to protect them on an escorts-only board?

 

Well, no. Nothing more than the discretion we trust them with already.

 

There's the rub.

 

We trust the guys to be discreet. There's nothing keeping an escort from saying he had an affair with Tom Cruise. Oh, wait, that didn't happen. ;-) He's never met Tom Cruise, he never spoke to that damn French magazine....

 

I know that in my profession, a place to gather with people who do what I do is of immeasurable value. I can't help but think it would be of equal value to escorts.

[Guest bottomboykk]

"dooh-dooh head"? "poop head"?

 

Oh, the vapors! I don't know if I can stand such language! ;-)