How do you know he is not a cop?

[Guest jeffOH]

Response #24

 

>heidi fleiss wasn't the mayflower madam.

>

>the mayflower madam was sydney biddle-barrows.

>

>heidi was just the hollywood hooker

> ask charlie sheen!

 

 

DC, I am well aware that Heidi Fleiss was Hollywood and Sydney

was the Mayflower Madam, sorry to have confused you with my

minimal punctuation...they were meant to be two separate questions.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest DCescortBOY]

no problem jeff... i was just clarifying

[+ Unicorn]

There are many ways to minimize your risk of getting caught in a sting. The safest, in my opinion, is to hire a known porn star. A cop is not going to perform on tape in any number of productions in order to set up a client! Second safest is to hire an escort with a website which shows his face, and which has been there for at least six months (the longer the better). If he's been reviewed here for a while, all the safer.

Lastly, just don't discuss specifics if the guy doesn't meet the above two criteria. I suppose it may depend on the jurisdiction, but you should be safe asking questions such as "Do you like to kiss?" and "What do you like to do?" If the guy tries to pin you down, back away. There are plenty of fish in the sea.

[Guest jeffOH]

Response to #14

 

><<3) You're not likely to be set up in your own home by the police.>>

>

>i know an escort in new

>orleans who was.

 

DC...

 

You're not LIKELY to be set up in your own home because logistically it's impractical. It's much easier for them to be

set up in a motel where there may be as many as eight officers

involved. They arrest someone, take them in, while the other officers continue the sting operation. They can also bug the

room and videotape the whole thing to be used as evidence. I pat clients down as soon as they enter my apartment looking for a wire.

 

I once asked a client to leave because of the types of

questions he was asking me. I live on the 5th floor of an apt.

bldg. with security doors, intercoms and cameras. Escorts or

agencies who operate out of a house or an apartment which has an

exterior entrance are most likely to attract attention of nosy

neighbors who notice all the "cummings" and goings. So it would

be much easier for the police observe such activity.

 

More than likely, a neighbor or someone with a grudge against your friend tipped off the police. Anyway you look at it, it's

a tremendous waste of law enforcement resources/time and a

major hassle if you're the one being arrested.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jeffOH]

>>Of all the stings I have

>>heard of..I have never heard

>>of a cop getting into

>>an agency....Jeff, do you have

>>any examples?

>

>There are examples. There's a well-known

>porn agent who used to

>pimp his guys (and now

>only offers "introductions") who spent

>jail time after a bust.

>

>

>One of his models squealed when

>caught in a sting. (And,

>oddly, that model who also

>squeals when getting fucked on

>film is now represented by

>the same agent again. Go

>figure.)

>

>I'm not mentioning names because it

>would break rules here. But

>it does indeed happen.

 

Deej...really we could mention his name here because it's a matter of public record, but I'll bet quite a few people knew

anyway. Actually, the man in question was a client of mine

several years ago. But, that's another story and not a pleasant one at that.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

Jeff Sweetie, re read what you wrote then re read what I wrote. You're still wrong.

 

Smooches and kisses

Mean it!

[Guest jeffOH]

Response to #30

 

>Jeff Sweetie, re read what you

>wrote then re read what

>I wrote. You're still wrong.

>

>

>Smooches and kisses

>Mean it!

 

Sean...re-read what I wrote, but if you want to quibble over

the words, "more likely", let us go at it. YES, I am in agree-

ment with you that the police set up independent escorts, but

most are misdemeanor charges and the escorts are usually out

within hours. A MAJOR "sting" operation is NOT likely to be conducted on an individual escort, but on an agency against which

money laundering charges, tax evasion, public nuisance charges

...some of which are felonies. An individual escort getting arrested on a misdemeanor charge is small potatoes compared to busting an agency, brothel or "spa". This will appear in the papers and on the local news, which the police hope be a deterrent against prostitution, thus having a far more reaching

effect than the individual escort who's barely a blip on the radar screen.

 

Major tongue kisses and loving hugs!

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jeffOH]

Reply #13

 

It's just plain stupid to keep records of any sort. I have no

permanent records regarding clients. I will write down a client's

phone#, hotel room# on a post-it note and throw them out daily.

I do have several regular clients whose numbers I commit to memory and a few others that are mixed in with the numbers of my

friends, so there's no way for someone to tell who's who.

 

Such records can be used against you in court. I always ask clients to leave me their # as I don't keep a client list per se

which could implicate them. I also regularly delete client's

e-mails. I'm sure as hell not going to make it easier for them to make a case against me. It's not just luck that has kept me from getting arrested the past ten years. Oh, and by the way,I'm

celebrating my 10th anniversary this month.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jeffOH]

>in many states recording a conversation

>without the permission of both

>parties, or an audible signal

>regularly repeated, is illegal.

>

>sorry, but a legal eagle you're

>not.

 

DC...quite right on that one, inadmissable evidence.

 

Do you really do that Sean? Have you ever heard of one instance

where such a thing saved an escort's ass?? Besides, most voice-

mails cut off when there's even just a few moments of silence...

at least mine does.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

YES, I am in agree-ment with you that the police set up independent escorts, but

most are misdemeanor charges and the escorts are usually out

within hours. A MAJOR "sting" operation is NOT likely to be conducted on an individual escort, but on an agency against which

money laundering charges, tax evasion, public nuisance charges

...some of which are felonies. An individual escort getting arrested on a misdemeanor charge is small potatoes compared to busting an agency, brothel or "spa". This will appear in the papers and on the local news

 

I'm not sure what the laws are where you live but in NY you don't get out of jail in a few hours dear. You spend the night and there is NO BAIL! You are photographed, finger printed and arraigned the next morning and if you're busted on a Friday you don't get out till Monday and pray Monday isn't a holiday cause then your ass will sit there till Tuesday! The stings that were ran in NY several of them wound up in the NY Post.

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

Jeff Sweetie, You think that when you hit the delete button its gone, poof! No where to be found again? LOL God you are naive. Cops can subpoena your ISP and get EVERYTHING you've EVER written in Instant message and e-mail. Deleting it does nothing. Its always saved somewhere. This is one reason I turn my IM's off and say to call me if interested. I also never discuss anything in e-mail. I just e-mail them back and say call me

[Guest jeffOH]

Response #35

 

SEAN, preciousness, not naive...simply not paranoid. The police

may try to get a subpoena if they have reason to believe you

are involved in additional illegal activities, but not for a mis-

demeanor charge. If you are running a brothel,yes, they will most

certainly seize whatever materials they can as evidence including

computer files. And I know that when I delete my e-mails they

don't go "poof". I'm just not going to make their job any easier

if, and that's a MAJOR IF, that should ever happen.

 

>Jeff Sweetie, You think that when

>you hit the delete button

>its gone, poof! No where

>to be found again? LOL

>God you are naive. Cops

>can subpoena your ISP and

>get EVERYTHING you've EVER written

>in Instant message and e-mail.

>Deleting it does nothing. Its

>always saved somewhere. This is

>one reason I turn my

>IM's off and say to

>call me if interested. I

>also never discuss anything in

>e-mail. I just e-mail them

>back and say call me

>

 

I guarantee you the police aren't going to subpoena anything for

a misdemeanor charge. Beside, if we are following OUR own advice

of not discussing sex and money...the e-mails/ISPs are worthless.

The police may do this with an agency, but you overestimate the

lengths the police will go to nab an independent escort. It's

simply not done with independent escort...agencies yes, guys like

us, no.

 

Honey, naivete is keeping records like you do. Don't do their work for them.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Bilbo]

If we are thinking of the same man, he was actually a high level employee in the business concerns of a very wealthy Scotsman who was very influential in politics, unless I'm remembering it wrong, which often happens.

[Bilbo]

I think its not simply because there are more of them, but also (probably among other reasons) is that with a female agency it is easier to PR paint the agency proprietor as an exploiter of victims (the ladies). It seems to me that it would be just as easy for a group of guys to be being forced into actions they wouldn't otherwise do, but I'm not sure that the police and the public would totally agree with me. Weaker sex sexism.

[Guest jeffOH]

Response to #34

 

 

>YES, I am in agree-ment with

>you that the police set

>up independent escorts, but

>most are misdemeanor charges and the

>escorts are usually out

>within hours. A MAJOR "sting" operation

>is NOT likely to be

>conducted on an individual escort,

>but on an agency against

>which

>money laundering charges, tax evasion, public

>nuisance charges

>...some of which are felonies. An

>individual escort getting arrested on

>a misdemeanor charge is small

>potatoes compared to busting an

>agency, brothel or "spa". This

>will appear in the papers

>and on the local news

>

>

>I'm not sure what the laws

>are where you live but

>in NY you don't get

>out of jail in a

>few hours dear. You spend

>the night and there is

>NO BAIL! You are photographed,

>finger printed and arraigned the

>next morning and if you're

>busted on a Friday you

>don't get out till Monday

>and pray Monday isn't a

>holiday cause then your ass

>will sit there till Tuesday!

>The stings that were ran

>in NY several of them

>wound up in the NY

>Post.

 

Prostitution laws are different all over the country. Every

friend I've had who was arrested was out of jail within 12hrs.

and of course longer on the weekends or on a holiday. We all know

courts won't be in session. Can you find anything here upon which

you actually agree rather than dissecting every comment I make in

that annoying, condescending way that you do?? And no you're not getting me "riled" up. I love a "passionate" discussion, but not

one in which the other person seems to take great pleasure in

being disagreeable just for the hell of it. Let's discuss the

meat of the issues rather than squabbling over these petty details.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest DCescortBOY]

agreed, jeff. i'm just saying that it DOES happen that police may target individuals. they do NOT target them for major operations though.

major operations go after networks, agencies, syndicates.

but one vice cop CAN decide he wants to do something about "all the fag whores" and CAN go after individuals. it has been done.

what you, sean, & i are all saying is that people should be smart about the things they say or do. you & i are in agreement that sean's actions would only build the case against him. sean has every right to disagree with us.

[Guest jeffOH]

Reply#40

 

DC

 

I just realized that I'm old enough to be your father. God, this and those e-mails and letters about my 20th high school reunion.

"We'd really love to have you, "What have you been up to for the

past 20 years," and of course, "Can you believe it's been 20 years?" DEPRESSING!

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest DCescortBOY]

how did my post make you realize you're my dad's age?

 

 

>Reply#40

>

>DC

>

>I just realized that I'm old

>enough to be your father.

>God, this and those e-mails

>and letters about my 20th

>high school reunion.

>"We'd really love to have you,

>"What have you been up

>to for the

>past 20 years," and of course,

>"Can you believe it's been

>20 years?" DEPRESSING!

>

>Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jeffOH]

REPLY TO #42

 

Nothing you said, I just happened to take a look at your reviews

again to look at that delicious piece of meat and happened to notice your age.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com