The Overated and Underated awards!

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

Much better! Now what was your old "stage" name so we can check your reviews? :-)

 

Also some of these reportedly "underated" escorts on your list have phenomenal reviews. I suppose you could nominate them for godhood (Priapus?), but I can't see that there are many more superlatives that could be applied to them beyond what their reviews already contain. :7

 

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[Guest MrB]

Thanks Esc_Tracker. Well put!

 

 

MrB

[+ Charlie]

Just as a sidenote to "joey toddoo's" last post, the issue of posters who have never published reviews is complicated by writers using different tags. For instance, I started submitting reviews early in this site's existence, and I didn't use any consistent tag. When I discovered the message board some time later, I signed on with still another tag; if someone had asked then why I hadn't submitted any reviews, I would have had to refer them to reviews under at least four different tags. Then I decided to use "Charlie" consistently, but when I submitted my first review with that, Hooboy sent me an email asking why I was using that instead of my previous tags. I explained and he seemed to accept my reasoning, but there are still a number of reviews under the old tags. I'm sure they are not the only cases in which reviews that appear to have come from several clients are the work of only one--and I'm not just referring to those that are deliberately intended to appear to be the work of more than one reviewer.

[MiamiLooker]

I was curious why several posters assumed you'd never posted any reviews? I thought it had been discussed in previous threads that the reviewer's name was not necessarily the login name used on the message board. I think it's also been discussed that reviewers don't always use the same name for different reviews.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

OOPS, was I supposed to keep the same name?

 

It would have been nice from my perspective, maaybe enhancing the credibility of both your review ideintity and your posting identiy. I do not understand the 'why' of different identities for reviews and posts --maybe someone will enlighten me.

[Guest alanm]

I really respect HooBoy, but he is really off base here. As somone pointed out above, the Reviews and the Message Center are

two entirely different forums, with very different purposes. To

some degree HooBoy is a victum of his own success, no escorts who knows about this site every want to get a bad review. The

pressure has incresaed with the popularity of this site. I've

had several non-sexual friendly encounters with some of the

most highly praised escorts on this site. They didn't appeal to me as escorts and I liked them just ok as people. Yet they never get any bad reviews. I must not be alone in questioning this. Are

people afraid to give a well known escort a bad review? The Message Center is a place for gossip and discussion; it can sometimes get out of hand as the Billy Brandt thread showed. I have to conclude that Hooboy has his favotite and is angry that some of them are being trashed. Lighten Up HooBoy! This site is

supposed to be fun.

[Guest TFNH]

When I first wrote a review I chose a handle appropriate to the review(FoundFuckHeaven). That was before I discovered the message board. Somehow I didn't think the original one was quite what I wanted to go by on a general message board. Who knew people would be out there cross checking all this.....

[Losgatan]

Isn't the answer to this kind of obvious. You didn't hire the guys who didn't appeal to you as escorts. And, therefore, you didn't write any bad reviews.

 

Why do you expect everyone to have the same tastes in men as yourself?

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

Well how else are we to check to credibility of your reviews? Isn't that what a handle is for, anonymous recognition?

 

Anyway, now you know. ;-)

 

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[Guest Esc_Tracker]

I think you are largely missing the point. HooBoy is not objecting to any "favorites" being criticized. (He doesn't really like *any* escorts being criticized.) He just feels (and I agree with him) that it's cheap for you (not you personally of course) to slam an escort on the message board when you haven't sent in a review, as your bona fides can't be checked and the escort doesn't have a chance to respond unless he follows the board regularly.

 

I would go farther and say it's cowardly. But then, I am not as nice a guy as HooBoy. ;-)

 

Granted, the posters may have inadvertantly not used the same handle on the message board as in their reviews. Well, they have now been challenged and can tell us under what names they posted those reviews. If these indicate they are only into sucking peach pits we will at least have a context for their remarks on this board.

 

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[Guest bottomboykk]

I don't agree with a lot of what's being said here. First of all, the free exchange of thoughts and opinions should not be inhibited, as long as the basic guidelines are followed. Someone expressing their opinions, good and bad, here about certain escorts should be encouraged. Many people have said they spend their time here in the message center and rarely check the review part of the site (or vice versa), and that's fine; you shouldn't be required to post a review in order to have an opinion in the message center.

 

Also, imagine someone who finds this site, and begins to enjoy the message center. He decides he wants to contribute his experiences to the discussion. He is immediately lambasted for having the audacity to express an opinion without having posted any reviews about the experiences. Why should that happen? That's not exactly what happened here (since we now know that joey toddoo had posted some reviews under a different name), but at the time the ruckus started, this could have been exactly the situation.

 

While I do wish the tone in the message center would improve, I do hope that people would be encouraged to express their opinions on escorts without being damned for the "sin" of not posting a review.

[Bilbo]

I'm really sorta torn here. I totally agree that it would be good if the same person used the same name no matter on what part of the site he was writing.In fact, I think that Hoo should consider putting in a small paragraph suggesting that on the registration pages for each part of the site. I remember the one or two l travel(l)er situation, for another complication of there not being a data base listing all of the names already taken on each part of the site and correlating them, not allowing them to be used by others and discouraging the use of more than one name by anyone.

 

However, I also feel that if poor HooBoy wants to be able to post his feelings about things that happen, it is increasingly obvious that people are not going to allow him to be a normal person on his own site. I think that that is terrible and bad manners. However, I have already suggested elsewhere on the threads that it might be sidestepped by him registering himself another name. (Although I am sure that there are those who would say that that would't be being rational and cautious, but rather cowardly.)

[HooBoy]

Bilbo Wrote:

 

I have already suggested elsewhere on the threads that it might be sidestepped by <HooBoy> registering himself another name.

 

Thanks for the suggestion, but I would not do that. I do believe in consistency of handles.

 

However, since I cannot post, I do not read the Message Center anymore, so it doesn't matter anyway.

 

Now attack me on the irony of this post. I won't see it, so if a post is not read, is any point made?

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[+ deej]

Multiple identities is actually the WRONG solution. In fact it's a big part of the problem right now. ;-)

 

HooBoy has invested much in being known as HooBoy so why shouldn't HE get credit for HIS opinions? Much like I've invested much in being "deej" online -- I'm deej here, and on many other sites as well. How many identities do YOU have on this site?

 

The only purpose I can see for multiple identities is deception. I don't think HooBoy wants (and I sure don't) to propagate deception.

 

If you want to be in "stealth mode", fine.

 

I'll always be deej. Always have been. Always will be.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

damnit... someone put me on EITHER list! :-)

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

I agree that multiple identities is not the solution... (no surprise here I'm sure).

 

But the solutions is clear and simple, at least for me. It doesn't take long to identify the one-note Hoo-bashing posters. Once identified and determined that is prretty much there sole mission in life... I just don't bother with their posts. No need to read, re-read, and re-re-read ths same bashing message day in and day out. I got the jist after the first dozen or so posts. Works for me. What I think the guys fail to grasp is that they marginalize their own posts (and views) in the process. For those that like a steady diet of 'Hoo bash', dine on... I prefer eating a little higher on the hog. At least that is my opinion and my taste.

 

:-)

[Bilbo]

Personally, Deej, I have only one persona. Indeed, since I chose this identity for myself, people whom I meet through the board and who find out my real name are still asked to call me Bilbo. I love being me. And I can either get away with things because I'm marginal (though quoted and referred to by others a good bit lately - blushing thanks) or because I'm just too oblivious or brass balled to let the alligators get me down. And Never has anyone been accused of being me in disguise. IMO (certainly not humble) my writing style would be a little difficult to copy or disguise.

 

But it angers me that Hoo is so bashed on his own site that there is a large part of it he doesn't even read anymore. Something (Beats me what.) should be done!

 

But, Tampa, ignoring the beasts may not be the best answer either. I was ignoring the latest "Bogus Reviews!" thread til something today just told me to read it and I am so glad that I didn't wind up missing a long but excellent piece by Albinorat in there.

[+ deej]

>But it angers me that Hoo

>is so bashed on his

>own site that there is

>a large part of it

>he doesn't even read anymore.

 

I agree with you completely. HooBoy is actually very close to just shutting this board down because of all the open hostility directed at him, personally, and at the entire community of posters.

 

He has already removed himself as a moderator of these forums so he doesn't have to read most of the postings. And I know how he feels. I cringe while reading some of the postings in the queue.

 

It's a pity that what he has worked so hard to build is being destroyed by a few loose nuts with the self-restraint of the average teenager on a testosterone high.

 

The "something" which must be done that you mentioned may end up being the closing of this message board. It will be a pity. It will be a loss of a very valuable resource. But I fear it will happen, and soon. x(

[Guest SFJEFF]

The only thing that I would mention after my 15 + reviews or so on this board is that most people here did not like Brett Michaels (AKA Greg in NYC), but I saw him about 6 times and had a great time each time.

[Guest Theron]

>Who the hell is this guy

>to come along with zero

>posts and suddenly be slamming

>guys with good reputations?

>

>This thread really sucks. There

>is absolutly no accountability.

>

>HooBoy

>Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

 

Hi HooBoy :-)

 

I am sorry, I can't let this pass. I'm in complete shock that you, of all people, would ever make such a statement. I even read it twice to see to make sure I was not reading it wrong. Your entire site is designed with the principal that any one can, as long as they do not violate your terms of service, say anything they please, whether it is true or not, about anyone they choose, at any time, whatsoever --often at the dismay of the people who are affected by it. Now, you are criticizing someone for doing percisely that? This person merely expressed their opinion. What is wrong with that?

 

Sorry to disagree with you on this point.

 

Hugs,

 

Theron

Based Out of Chicago

http://theronb.homestead.com/files/home.html

[CT Dick]

>The "something" which must be done

>that you mentioned may end

>up being the closing of

>this message board. It will

>be a pity. It will

>be a loss of a

>very valuable resource. But I

>fear it will happen, and

>soon. x(

 

Deej, do you think that contributions (as in that little man with the tin cup) to HooBoy might be a positive vote to offset the attacks? ;-)

 

Dick

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Bilbo,

 

Pardon me if I gave the impression that entire threads be ignored. My prescription was limted to the individual posts of those well-known Hoo bashers. (I feel a little like the Great Carnac when I see these identities in a thread list.) I agree there might be a gem or two in any thread, not to be ignored.

 

:-)

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

deej,

 

"The "something" which must be done that you mentioned may end up being the closing of this message board. It will be a pity. It will be a loss of a very valuable resource. But I fear it will happen, and soon".

 

That would be a geat loss and very unfortunate for most of us. And the most unfortunate aspect (in one respect) is that it would hand these malcontents the very victory they seek which is at the least the impairment or at the most the demise of this site.

 

An alternative to closing the boards should it ever come to that (hopefully not) is to make the boards subscription only. I know this will be unpopular, it is with me. But if the alternative is no board, then that puts everything in a little different light. It would mean the loss of some regulars thus a reduced attendance and many fewer new people stumbling in also.

 

The positive side is that violating the terms of service (one of which would be Hoo bashing) would be (after one warning) termination of access without a refund. Those few determined to bash would then have to decide how many new screen names and subscription fees they wanted to burn to get their repeated one note message aired and for how long. (It would also reduce the number of mutiple personalities too and the fee would be unnoticed by those who alerady contribute to support the site.)

 

I don't like this idea at all but I like the potential alternative much less.

[Guest Bitchboy]

What makes slamming an escort here any different from slamming him in a review. I've read many "slamming" reviews of escorts that have good reputations. I don't for one one minute believe any effort is given to verifying the truth of those reviews either.

[Guest Theron]

Hi Guys :-)

 

The message center closely resembles usenet groups, and the threads in listserv's (e-mail based discussion groups). While I am new to the message center, I do have a great deal of experience with the previously mentioned groups. I've taken the time to read many of the threads and postings in the message center. Any time a large group of people come together, on a usenet group, listserv or message center, to exchange ideas and opinions about sometime that interests them, certain dynamics come into play. Based on my experience, I do not think anything out of the ordinary is happening here. In my opinion, HooBoy has created a forum that is valuable and benefits a large group of people. I would be very surprised to see him "cave in" and shut it down, especially when I realize it is successful, and operates within the same standards and dynamics of other groups of this nature. I do not believe he would do that, although I could be wrong.

 

With regard to "Hoo bashing," it is always painful when someone bashes you. Even more painful if you are working hard to do something positive, as HooBoy is, and then someone comes along and takes a swipe at you. Please try and remember, when HooBoy created this site he took on a huge responsibility. The site has quickly become one of the more visited web sites for people who have interest in escorts on the Internet, today. People, who have real feelings and earn their living escorting, are greatly affected by this site. As an escort, I can tell you, if you are doing your best to provide a valuable service to people and someone comes along and takes a swipe at you by posting a bogus negative review, it hurts. Hooboy's advice to that escort would be to take it with a grain of salt, and respond, and do it with grace. My suggestion concerning HooBoy, and negative comments that are directed towards him in the message center, would be the same. The fact remains, HooBoy, because of the type of service he is providing, and its ability to impact the lives of others, is going to be open to a large degree of both praise and criticism. While I do not know him, personally, my perception is that he is not a fragile man. I think he is equal to handling both the praise and criticism. In fact, since he has elected to take on this project, I feel he has a responsibility to the people, who benefit from it and who are affected by it, to do precisely that.

 

Has anyone stopped to consider, all this speculation about the fate of the list by people who become offended when someone does say something negative concerning HooBoy, may very well be a factor that greatly contributes to the panic of the possible closing of the message center. I've not been here long enough to know, but has HooBoy ever said he is considering closing the message center because he can't take the criticism? Could this just be speculation?

 

I have shared my opinion about why I believe HooBoy will be open to a large degree of praise and criticism. I believe it is just part of what goes along with the responsibility of running the site (it would happen to anyone who took on this responsibility). I have also stated I feel HooBoy is equal to handling it, and has a responsibility to do that. Now, I am going to make a final suggestion: when people make comments directed at HooBoy, perhaps, it would be best to stay out of it and allow him to handle it. If he needs our help I am sure he will ask for it, but one thing is certain: those who like HooBoy and those who do not can equally fan the flames, and cause it all to grow much larger than it is. There are legitimate and illegitimate reasons why someone may praise Hoo for the work he contributes, and why others may have grievances. Maybe it is just time we all accept that reality, rise above it and allow him to handle it.

 

Hugs,

 

Theron :-)

Based Out of Chicago

http://theronb.homestead.com/files/home.html