Escorts and lawsuits

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

Every now and then (with Kyle, it's more now than then) an escort will get his panties in a twist over Hoo and his site and start threatening lawsuits if the situation isn't corrected to his liking. (To be fair, I don't remember Kyle talking about lawsuits, but that twisted queen babbled about so much, he might have inserted the true meaning of life and I would have missed it.)

 

The point of this post is: does anyone know of an instance where an escort actually DID sue over his reputation or such? I would love to read the transcript of him standing before a judge and saying: "Well your honor, you see, I'm a prostitute and........"

[vers7]

Since escorts are not public figures, I would assume that they would have the right to sue a reviewer and hooboy (as the publisher) for libel. They would have to prove that a falsehood was knowingly published. [Opinion (of which the majority of reviews are composed), are not subject to suit.] However, to recover damages, the escort would have to prove damages. I seriously doubt that any escort would have the wherewithal (such as records, testimonial evidence, etc.) to establish damages of any import. In addition, a question I have is whether one could recover damages done to one’s criminal enterprise? After all, any damage done to an escort would be to earnings that he has no legal right to earn. Regardless of the answer to this question, I doubt that any jury would be responsive to such a claim by a prostitute (straight or gay). Like Fin Fang, I'd love to read such a transcript : ) Any civil attorneys out there?

[vers7]

Also opinion, of which the majority of reviews are composed, generally may not be the basis for a suit.

[Guest JustANametoPlay]

Actually, an argument can be made for an escort being a public figure. Especially if they advertise, do porn, or are also dancers at a club.

[Guest EvilSwine]

Um...people review restaurants and movies and I don't see them being sued over their opinion. I'm pretty sure that saying someone's tubesteak wasn't served according to your wishes is pretty much the same as if you gave a bad review to a hot dog stand.

[vers7]

I guess you could make an argument that escorts are public figures. If that were the case, the allegedly libeled escort would also have to prove that the falsehood was made and published knowing that it was false or that it was published with malice (reckless disregard for the truth). I think this would completely insulate hooboy from any liability. In addition, as mentioned earlier, opinion or satire is protected speech.

[Guest pickwick]

No court is going to entertain a suit for defamation in which the alleged defamatory statement concerns the quality of sexual services provided by the plaintiff for money. There are several grounds on which such a suit could be dismissed, the most obvious being the public policy against encouraging prostitution.

[Justice]

I agree the transcript would make VERY interesting reading. }> It would also be interesting to see how a jury would decide the case if a settlement could not be achieved. I also suspect that the escort/plaintiff just might leave the court room in handcuffs ... and he wouldn't be wearing them because he was acting out an s&m/b&d fantasy.

[+ bigjoey]

as an attorney, my guess is that any such suit would be thrown out. imagine the escort testifying about the quality of his services; imagine what clients he would have testify for him about the quality of his services; imagine the escort bringing in his income tax records to show loss of income; etc.

 

seanworldescort was making such threats if i recall correctly. he would have been a hoot in court as the defense attorney asks him his age and compares it to his advertisements along with his personal measurements as listed and then has the measurement taken in court. sounds like something written by mel brooks. perhaps this could be an off broadway show!!! think of what is possible!!!

[Guest DazedBoy]

I'm not an attorney, but I think the term is "clean hands". If you walk into court and are a plaintiff, you yourself cannot be guilty of another potential crime. Got that info from JUDGE JUDY!

[CT Dick]

O U R Evil Swine! Comparing an escort to a hot dog stand. Really!

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-19-01 AT 11:34AM (EST)[p]BigJoey, you must not be a very good attorney. You don't have to prove loss of income in a defamation suit. All you have to prove is damage to reputation. May I suggest you do a search on Defamation and the Internet. Its also against the law to link to another's site without ones written permission, (HooBoy found that out with the incident with McDonald's from what I understand) or post ones picture without written permission. Go back to law school. I decided not to pursue any such action because Hooboy honored my request to remove my reviews, pic and my web link. As long as he keeps what I do behind close doors off his site he's safe from legal action. Hooboy should honor Kyle's request and remove his reviews, pics and web site. If an Escort doesn't want what he does plastered all over a web site that's his right. Not your right to freedom of speech. There is a distinction between Defamation and the First Amendment. But you should know that being a lawyer and all!

[Guest regulation]

>LAST EDITED ON Apr-19-01

>AT 11:34 AM (EST)

>

>BigJoey, you must not be a

>very good attorney. You don't

>have to prove loss of

>income in a defamation suit.

>All you have to prove

>is damage to reputation.

 

 

Actually, that isn't correct. There are certain types of defamatory statements, called "defamation per se," that are considered so damaging in and of themselves that damages are presumed, and the plaintiff need not prove specific damages such as loss of income. A statement that a prostitute is not very good at what he does would NOT fall into that category.

 

>I decided not to pursue

>any such action because Hooboy

>honored my request to remove

>my reviews, pic and my

>web link. As long as

>he keeps what I do

>behind close doors off his

>site he's safe from legal

>action.

 

The way I remember it, you threatened HB with a lawsuit AFTER he had removed your reviews and picture from this site. The threat was triggered by a thread that was started in this message center about you to which a bunch of visitors responded with some rather unflattering posts -- I don't recall whether HB or someone else started it, but a check of the archives would show which is correct, would it not? You said that your L.A. law firm, Mitchell, Silberberg & Knupp, had been retained to sue him and had agree to do so. I've wondered from time to time what happened with that.

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-19-01 AT 12:24PM (EST)[p]3 unflattering post, 14 positive reviews and lets not even talk about all the clients I've seen over 10 years. I'd say the odds are in my favor LOL. And the 3 individuals that posted unflattering post....well I just looked at the source, thought about them breifly and moved on. I'm averaging 2 clients a day and 3 overnights a week so I'm still in the game and having a great time! Off to Europe in a couple weeks with a client for 7 days. Have a great day!

[Guest albinorat]

>LAST EDITED ON Apr-19-01

>AT 12:24 PM (EST)

>

>3 unflattering post, 14 positive reviews

>and lets not even talk

>about all the clients I've

>seen over 10 years. I'd

>say the odds are in

>my favor LOL.>

 

Well, I'm sorry but I just don't get it. And I'll save you the trouble, most delightful and seductive WESean, I'm an idiot. You posted elsewhere this site was <absurd>. OK. Maybe it is. Why are you jumping on every post? You are constantly bragging about your success. Maybe you're telling the truth. But none of us have a way of assessing that. I would assume that a successful escort 1/doesn't have time and 2/doesn't care about an "absurd" site that didn't effect his flourishing business.

 

As I recall the threads about you, and the email exchanges, you emerged a nasty braggart and a jerk. Given the range of tastes (or lack of same) of men who hire escorts, even someone as appaling as you seem might in fact be able to pull off some kind of living at it.

 

But again, anyone reading your responses here would see a mean queen, evidently greatly insecure, and suffering from some kind of narcissitic disorder that reads as though you need serious attention, and not from a blind and deaf and insensitive "john".

 

What is odd about you and about your soul make Kyle, is you both got good reviews and you even brag about them in the previous post. Now I agree with you, they were worthless. You both seem to be suggesting that in your collected "writings". On an <absurd> site reviews can be false or, well, absurd. But in any case, the acts "reviewed" are highly subjective and impossible to measure by any external standard. However, you and Kyle were well thought of it seems by those who reviewed you and it's very unlikely good reviews here damage an escort's business.

 

I have met escorts who did not want to be reviewed and/or had been (well) and didn't like this site. Some wanted to keep what they were doing as far underground as possible. Others were bothered by the potential for hurtful (to business) attacks from other escorts masquerading as bad reviews, or from insane clients.

 

But it actually doesn't seem to hurt anyone's business (judging from the many escorts who have links to their reviews here on their sites or who will tell you to "look them up" here) so I don't know what harm it does and it may do some good for both escorts and clients.

 

So you don't like this site or the people who use it. Go away and make more money by I assume verbally abusing clients who want to pay for that. There are many genuinely offensive sites on the internet. No one forces anyone to hit them and certainly not to post on them.

 

As someone posted above, the law firm you promised would be crushing Hooboy did not. Though I am not a lawyer I suspect that no whore -- which is what you seem to be, Kyle, an uppity, insecure broken down hooker (loads of clients over ten years, my, my, must be getting long in the tooth and droopy in the dick)-- would get very far in our legal system.

 

I'll save you more trouble -- go ahead and say I have warts on my tiny dick (I don't and I don't care about your opinions) or something equivalent.

 

You reveal yourself as a total asshole. And I suspect you are a liar.

 

LOL and have a nice day.

Al

[Guest WorldEscrt Sean]

Ditto

[Bilbo]

Al, Some things become better with age. That includes some wines, some cheeses and some escorts. I am very proud of my 16 years as an escort (spread out over 27 years as they were) and might take umbrage at your comment about people who have been in the business for only 10 years did I not realize that it was said in the heat of argument with Sean.

[Guest albinorat]

>Al, Some things become better with

>age. That includes some wines,

>some cheeses and some escorts.

>I am very proud of

>my 16 years as an

>escort (spread out over 27

>years as they were) and

>might take umbrage at your

>comment about people who have

>been in the business for

>only 10 years did I

>not realize that it was

>said in the heat of

>argument with Sean.

 

Sorry, Bilbo. In the context I was dumping on that person, not on escorts in general, of any age or degree of experience. A friend and I who both use this site have often spoken about how much better "older" escorts are. You are far likelier to get off with one and have a great time while doing so if someone has experience, cool and empathy. And those things come with age. My friend is into the older, hairy, hung big types, and is in hog heaven. I am cursed with wanting butch twinks -- and the experiences vary a good deal. But while I probably wouldn't hire an "older" guy often, that's just my taste and my disposable income. I am paying for my fantasy after all, foolish as it may be. But on those occasions I've taken a vacation from that fantasy and just hired a handsome man (still younger than me of course and far better looking)I have had a terrific time.

 

 

Al