escort agency vs. escort ads vs. internet

[Guest trickiedick]

which is the best way to really get a hot guy

that wont rip u off??

[Guest red]

Without question, this board provides the most trustworthy way of finding the escort who is most likely to meet your needs and least likely to rip you off. Because of communications here, several of the sleaziest bad-guys have watched their "business" go into freefall. More positively, the best escorts (wildly different "types" like Billyboy in Chicago and Mack in SF) have experienced a surge of new clients. If you read the reviews on M4M carefully, you are unlikely to have any unhappy surprises. The only agency I've tried (Premier in Philadelphia) also does a great job, but other agencies seem to have a spottier record.

[NY Observer]

I tend to agree with Red. I think Hooboy's site has done an excellent job of providing the client with a good source of information. If I run across an escort in a chat room on AOL, I always look to see if he's been reviewed here. If not, I'm generally suspicious (some exceptions). One has to read the reviews pretty carefully to attempt to weed out the fake reviews, thank goodness we have the watchdogs who read every word and look for patterns which reveal fakes.

 

I have used an escort agency (Maximum) for one guy and was quite pleased. I wouldn't shy away from it if I felt it was a good agency and they had what I was shopping for at a similar price. Many of the agencies I have heard of are either (1) guilty of overworking their staff or (2) much more expensive than my purchasing on my own.

 

Escort ads can be a good place to start, but I always look here for guidance. After all an escort ad does not have to be the picture of the guy you're intending to meet.

 

I guess what I'm saying is THANKS HOOBOY

[Guest VersatilePaul]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-07-00 AT 10:56AM (EST)[p]I agree with Red and NYO -- this site does provide some of the best info available on escorts, in addition to this forum through which specific questions can be asked and (hopefully) answered by guys who have first-hand experience.

 

Regarding independent vs. agency escorts, I have hired more than 25 escorts over the last 18 months

(I've only posted one review thus far since the single escort I have been seeing for the past 6 months has asked that I not review him here - he does not want the attention).

 

I have had positive experiences with all escept one (an independent previously skewered on this site as "Allan" from New Orleans). About 1/3 of the escorts I have seen have been independents and the other 2/3 through agencies (Premier in Philly, The Agency DC in DC, Capital City Boys in DC, and Knights-to-Remember nationally, but heavily in Florida -- websites listed below).

 

Knights-to-Remember is professionally run and delivers what you expect with a wide selection in Florida and NY, more limited in other areas.

 

Capital City Boys and The Agency DC (same mgmgt) deliver, but with a selection running more toward younger guys.

 

Premier is, without exception, the leader in agencies that I know of (wish they were national)!

Premier always delivers and usually has a very large selection of guys (typically 30 or more).

 

Since I have found this site, I always check to see if a guy I'm considering hiring has been reviewed or discussed here. I generally will not hire them now unless I've "verified them" through this site. That says a lot for this site, and its importance in this regard will only grow.

 

VPaul

 

Premier Escorts (Philly) http://www.premierescorts.com

CapitalCityBoys (DC) http://www.capitalcityboys.com

The Agency (DC) http://www.theagencydc.com

Knights-to-Remember (National)

http://www.knights-to-remember.com

[+ Charlie]

Agency vs. independent

 

The advantage of an agency is that you have more choices and work through a middleman who may be able to give you a more objective evaluation of an escort than he could give of himself--that is, if the agency is any good. Unfortunately, my most nightmarish experience with an escort came from someone sent by an agency that I had previously had a good experience with. A reputable agency has an investment to protect and may give you some satisfaction if you are disappointed or feel ripped off, but you can't count on it. A disadvantage of an agency escort is that he is likely to be more expensive, will probably expect a "tip" since he is getting only a percent of the fee, and may have the mentality of an employee: he may not feel a strong interest in making it a great experience for you, since he is just following an assignment, not creating a relationship. On the other hand, he may feel an obligation to give at least minimal satisfaction in order to keep his job with the agency.

 

Things are much more chancy with an independent, which is why it is great to have a resource like this website to see what other clients have to say about him; still, their reports may not be reliable, and every new encounter is different. If your main concern with an independent is not getting ripped off, try to choose someone stable (i.e., who advertises regularly in the same places) and who works out of his own residence, since he is less likely to rip you off when you are in his territory than when he is in yours (or in a hotel).

 

There are no guarantees, no matter what procedure you follow.

[Traveller]

RE: Agency vs. independent

 

Agencies are generally pretty good, but expensive. If I like an escort from an agency, I'll get his home phone and deal with him directly after the first time for a much less expensive price. Premier in Philly and Chelsea Guys in NYC have both been excellent for me.

 

With ads or the internet, after you've talked with the escort on the phone to determine his general disposition, all you have to watch out for is the old "bait and switch." If this happens (i.e., the photos are way out of date, or, which has happened to me, not even of the same person), turn them away at the door. Giving cab fare is your choice at this point. I gotten almost all of my favorite escorts this way. Rentboy.com, escorts4you.com, maleescorts.com, HX, Next, Frontiers, Hot Spots, BAR, etc.

 

Escorts off of AOL chatrooms don't have photos some of the time, which, of course, is a big nonstarter. If they have a photo, a lot of the time they're neophytes. Others seem to prefer this. I prefer professionals. I'm not paying to teach.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Later.

[Guest assmaster]

RE: Agency vs. independent

 

I have only used an agency once in all the MANY years that I have been an old PERV. It was because I had no choice...I wanted a certain "product" that was only available through an agency. I then got his private number and saw him for years after that. I like to KNOW what's going to arrive at the door...of course modern conveniences like the internet do help...the first time I hired an escort I had to carve and send a stone tablet.....you younguns are lucky.

[Guest Silver Fox]

<<<I tend to agree with Red. I think Hooboy's site has done an excellent job of providing the client with a good source of information. If I run across an escort in a chat room on AOL, I always look to see if he's been reviewed here. If not, I'm generally suspicious (some exceptions). One has to read the reviews pretty carefully to attempt to weed out the fake reviews, thank goodness we have the watchdogs who read every word

and look for patterns which reveal fakes.>>

 

I totally disagree with most of the above statement. As a long time client who is on the road most of the year, I have a lot of personal experience in hiring escorts. Yes Hooboy has done a great job with this site and it does serve a purpose. But blanket statements like the above give a false sense of security to clients as such statements give a "Consumer Reports" likeness to this site which it does not deserve.

 

The trouble with this site is that anyone can write a review good or bad, including escorts and clients. The statement "One has to read the reviews pretty carefully to attempt to weed out the fake reviews, thank goodness we have the watchdogs who read every word and look for patterns which reveal fakes" sounds a lot better and reassuring than it actually is. There is no "watchdog" posting next to any reviews. Maybe some statements are made in this forum for obvious attempts at spamming, but many people don't read this message board but just the reviews. Looking for "word patterns" is useless in most circumstances as a bogus review is generally just posted once by a person. Each escort attracts different reviews by various people with different word patterns and agendas.

 

Newbies reading this site for the first time may get the impression these reviews are sort of like Consumers Reports, with many levels of verification. Sadly the only level of verification here is Hooboy sending a follow up email. Email addresses are a dime a dozen, so if someone is intent on creating a false impression, they will respond to Hooboy's email and I am sure many would go so far as to talk on the phone with him in order to furthur their agenda.

 

I usually hire 2-3 escorts a week while I am on the road, over the last year I have probably hired at least 100. At least 40 of them have been reviewed on this site, and I can say most of the 40 escorts have inaccurate reviews. Keep in mind this is just from my limited experience. Many of the escorts I have seen which have been reviewed here have not received generally good reviews, but they were great with me. Not all but a lot. On the other hand the escorts I have seen which have received rave reviews don't all measure up in person. Rule of thumb is that the more favorable reviews a escort has, the potential was he would not live up. Some of my worst experiences were from escorts who had received many positive reviews here.

 

And its not as easy to spot bogus reviews or spamming as you may think. Sure the very obvious

flattering review can be easy to spot, but I have carefully pored over the reviews of many of the so called great escorts that I have personally seen, and you can't make a easy determination.

The negatve reviews are the hardest to deal with, as most people believe them more. With all the weird clients out there who you just can't please combined with other jealous escorts and you have a lot of potential people who can write bogus negative reviews. So how can you tell the bad bogus reviews from the "legit" bad reviews? You can't as its impossible.

 

If a certain escort receives almost nothing but bad reviews like Nick in Atlanta, then thats a obvious warning sign. But other than that, the rest of these reviews should not be taken seriously. My worst two experiences came with two escorts who have received nothing but great reviews here. I am actually a very easy person to please, so I consider myself a easy client. I won't name these two escorts, as I don't want to start a flame war but my story should be instructive.

 

First escort was in LA, and has received numerous positive reviews and has pictures of a great muscular body. In person his body lived up to the pictures, but his attitude most certainly didn't. On the phone he assured me his rate included everything (with exception of kink) and we would have at least a hour. After he took my money on arrival, he proceeded to tell me all I could do was jerk him off after he "posed" for me. Everything else would be "a la carte". I wouldn't pay extra, so was reduced to jerking him off. He did shoot a nice load though. He wouldn't jerk me off unless I paid him $25 more (wanted $75 to suck me) so I ended up jerking off while rubbing his nipple. This was all over and done with in 15 minutes, guess he forgot about the hour promise.

During this 15 minutes he returned 2 phone calls from his pager! But you would never know this was the same guy from reading the reviews on this site as he was portrayed as someone very hot and agressive in bed.

 

The other escort wasn't quite as bad as at least I got normal sex, but still nothing like the reviews posted about him here. This nameless escort was based in the Midwest and according to the many reviews I read he was almost like a God. Upon meeting him I was extremely dissapointed to find him nothing like the pictures on his Web site as he seemed quite a few years older, not toned at all with a little pot belly.

To his credit he didn't try and hit me up for more money as we had normal sex, but the fact he was nothing like his pictures really sort of spoiled the experience for me. He was quite friendly, and kept stressing how he wanted to please me, as he had many happy clients since he believes in going the "extra mile" He kept telling me he didn't want to play games and for the hour we were together that I was the most important person in his life.

 

All that sounded good, and I appreciate his nice attitude but I sure as hell wouldn't have booked this guy if I had known the truth about his looks and age. I am 35 myself, and this guy looked my age or a few years younger at best. I did mention this to him, but he danced around that by saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and he would stay 5-10 minutes to let me decide if I wanted to hire him. I should have sent him packing, but I was way out in the burbs and horny so went ahead. He was nice and did try, and wasn't as bad as my LA experience but once again none of his reviews or pictures were accurate in my opinion after meeting him in person.

 

So the bottom line to everyone is to take most reviews on here with a grain of salt whether they are good or bad. Don't believe pictures as you have to take the attitude nothing can really be believed until you meet. ALWAYS get the escort to agree that if you don't like his looks that you have the option of calling things off and just giving him cabfare.

[Guest VersatilePaul]

WOW SilverFox -- that was a fantastic post - really made me stop and think and re-evaluate my take on reviews. I agree that we must take the reviews "with a grain of salt", but thanks to this site, those are grains we now have that we didn't prior to this site.

 

Thanks,

VPaul

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Silver Fox, I am not in a postion to dispute your experience, nor would I since I have not walked in your shoes. Your experience in this area is much more vast that mine for sure. I do appreciate your taking the time to offer your prespective on this topic.

 

However, in my limited experience I am batting 1000 with HooBoy and I'm 0 for 2 on my own. Maybe when my experiences have grown in number to an appreciable fraction of yours I will have a number of counter examples to cite as you do. But for now this site has certainly won my seal of approval for escort referrals. I do agree that careful reading is called for and prior personal contact is essential to get a feel for the escort. I also make sure that the escort knows what to expect of me -- in my case older and heavyset. This 'no surprises' aspect may act to weed out the less than commited escorts. In summary, as for HooBoy's web site reviews "I never leave home without it" or at least having consulted it.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Upon further reflection, my batting average while on my own is 1 for 3, the one being quite an experience.

[Guest KJ]

While I agree with your call for caution in believing everything you read on this site, My experience in hiring people with excellent reviews is quite different. I've spent time with 4 young men (2 in San Diego, 1 in San Francisco, 1 in New York) who received excellent reviews here, and I would count every one in the top dozen experiences of my escort-hiring career, a span of about 25 years. But what I value most about this site are the bad-to-mediocre reviews that keep me away from guys whose pictures I have lusted after. Maybe I've missed a few wonderful encounters, but I consider myself better off, on average. Finally, the real problem with excellent reviews is that it can make the young men difficult to book.

[ted]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-10-00 AT 09:06AM (EST)[p]My experience also mirrors Tampa Yankee and KJ's, and I don't have the breadth of knowledge of Silver Fox either. I'm 2/2 with and 2/6 without(before) this site. I'm a sucker for a great bod when booking, and have stayed away from a few whom I would have booked on pics, based on their less than glowing reviews. The reviewers "profile" is also a big help-I feel pretty comfortable that I'll have a good time if someone with similar tastes did. And of course the alerts on the real scam artists like Nick in Atlanta are invaluable. If SF has seen 100 guys in a year how about sharing some reviews!

[Traveller]

Silver fox, dude, with Skeptic gone, you've taken his place with lengthy missives. I find the negative reviews more trustworthy than the positive ones. Also this message board has helped me ferret out a couple of potential disasters.

 

Later.

 

PS. Angel from western Mass. was big fun. The first worthwhile Boston escort I've encountered. He advertises in their local rag with a photo.

[Guest squaddie]

Thanks to this site, I am determined to make an appointment with a particular escort because he has consistenly received good reviews, and I'm willing to accept what others say about him even though he could be the wrong escort for me. Chemistry is all important and what works for one might not work for another. It is all a bit of 'hit and miss' on a first meeting.

On the other hand, if I see a pic posted of an escort I think I would like to meet I will take note of a bad review and exercise caution. Over the years I tend to take note of my 'gut

feeling'. There are many escorts who advertise themselves well, look good, have good reviews, so why chance it when there is no need. I have seen pics of escorts I would give anything to spend an hour with, then up comes a review that causes me to 'wait and see'.

 

I used to use a brothel but I'm not so keen now. A few times the boy fronting the desk was less than honest and after telling him what I wanted and asking if a boy I was interested in was suitable, was told yes only to find otherwise. I am happier being told, for instance, a boy will not kiss and not expect it, than be told he does and when he gets into the room he won't. Or even worse, asking for an active guy and he turns out to be 100% passive. An otherwise good encounter can be spoilt through deception. Honesty is important. If I'm told a boy does not kiss and I take him to a room I know it won't happen so I don't try and can relax and enjoy my session with him.

 

I stopped using magazine adverts many years ago. In the days when this was all we had, many times I turned up to find the guy at the door was not the guy whose pic had been posted. Also I lost count the number of times the door was opened by someone claiming to be 21 who was nearer 41.

 

Now, if I want to try a new escort I use the internet. I only make contact with an escort who has posted a pic of himself (not necessarily nude or with a face shot), as this gives me some idea of what to expect when the door is opened. Too far from what was posted and I leave. Also if he is on the internet I am able to ask all relevant questions easily and hopefully get an honest answer to my needs. A negative answer does not mean I will not make an appoinment but it is made clear what I can expect (or not) during our appointment. When I telephone and the escort is not in and his message asks me to leave my telephone number for a reply and the reply is not forthcoming, I do not make a second call. I would never, as I've seen from some reviews, make multiple calls to someone who does not have the courtesy to reply. As a client I have a good choice, far more than I could possibly spend time with, so why take a risk when there is no need. Any day I can log onto the internet and find more escorts I would like to be with than I have the time (or money) to be with, so why waste time on anyone who is causing me to have even the slightest doubt?

I am grateful to M4M for this site.

 

For me, it is internet rather than escort agency or escort ads.

[Bilbo]

I am surprised at how quickly and without any serious questioning we accept Silver Fox at face value. First, and least important, I believe that a much larger percentage than he believes pay attention to these threads. They are the first thing I turn to on this site. Second, he may be actually trying to avoid a fight, but to cite stories without names sends up warning signals with me. When I am on the phone with a possible new client and he tells me that I have been recommended to him by a friend who has been with me before but won't tell me who it was, I not only don't believe him on that statement, I also mainly don't believe him on anything else either. Third, while I don't remember all of the names of people who have written reviews, I certainly don't seem to remember his byline on any. Fourth, while I allow some people, like Traveller, a grain of salt when they are bragging about how many escorts they have seen in one weekend, I'm not sure that I want to grant SilverFox the benefit of the seasoning, since that third point makes him taste a little fishy already. 100 times say $225 is $22,500 in one year spent on escorts? Pull the other one! I don't want to walk crooked.

[Guest Hanover]

The internet (and not least this very site--god bless it!) has put clients in a much stronger position than previously, which is all to the good. In the past, it was a real crap-shoot. The approach and attitude of "Squaddie" impresses me as the most sensible. There is an abundance of choice, and contact has been greatly facilitated by email. It follows that escorts who don't reply to messages (particularly annoying), misrepresent themselves or don't live up to their own promises should be scrupulously avoided (and exposed, where appropriate). As prices go up and the internet expands, the professionalism of escorts should follow (and, I think, has). But if clients are still prepared to tolerate shoddy service, then that's what they'll keep getting. Zero tolerance by clients of arrogant, lazy and dishonest escorts (most aren't, but too many still are) is the best policy for maximising value.

[Traveller]

Bilbo,

 

I must be slowing down. Out in SD for their Pride last weekend, and only had one escort a day (3 in all). Such a loss considering the continental trek to get there; altho not a lot of advertising from which to choose. A 22 yo Czech who advertises in their local rag was particularly fun. I love uncut Eastern Europeans.

 

Later.

 

PS. To keep my annual escort budget under $25,000, I'd have to spend far more time in Rio, BA and other less expensive venues.

[Guest TommyBoy]

I agree with Mr. Fox that ALL reviews should be taken with a grain of salt--however, I am disappointed he would take such care and time in positing a thesis relative to reviews on this site being untrustworthy--rather than actually REVIEWING the escorts--which I believe is the purpose of this site. If Mr. Fox has had personal experience with "at least 40 escorts" reviewed herein, and found 40 inaccurate escort reviews--perhaps HIS reviews would serve all of us in terms of more balanced portrayals? In other words--contribute to the site instead of denigrating. Just a suggestion--no offense intended.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-28-00 AT 00:50AM (EST)[p]I have to agree with Bilbo here, Silver Fox's credibility is not established. His having seen so many disappointing escorts that received positive reviews without ever posting a review himself certainly leaves room to wonder. A few reviews on his part made at earlier points in time would have added to his claims. Now he may be speaking the truth -- we really have no way of knowing, but the credibility is just not there. Particularly in view of the fact that incredible number of inaccurately reviewed escorts that he claims to have encountered appears completely out of the realm of experience of the rest of us who participate on the boards. Are we all just lucky? Or are we unable to recognize a truly disappointing and overrated escort, time and again?

 

We must leave room for the possibility that he is just attempting to undermine the crediblility of this site. It would be a clever ploy to avoid the frontal assault that some of the unscrupulous escorts use in favor of an attack from the inside -- a trojan horse approach without the horse. Hmm -- I wonder? Also, does that make him just a trojan?