ESCORT FEES-POST OR NOT POST

[Guest REGINA]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-00 AT 05:47PM (CST)[p]Recently, HooBoy mentioned in one of his forums that he would no longer list escort fees. I don't quite understand why. I always check out the fee of an escort before calling to prevent either of us being embarrassed by quoting a price far below the escort in question. It's only happened once (since I really had to save up to see one) and I was really embarrassed having to say, "Sorry, I know you deserve it but I can't afford it" and have him ream me for ten minutes for wasting his time (it wasn't pretty and made me cry and I'm not to wuss either-needless to say I've never called him since). I'm sure he thought I was trying to gyp him out of money, as I'm sure others have in the past, but I had nothing to go on when making this cold call (had yet to discover M4M). I understand that there is some flucuation of fee, but info like this can save embarrassment all around. Someone please help me with this one.

 

I'm curious to read the views of other escorts and clients on this issue.

 

HooBoy, good thoughts and positive energy to you. These Verio people appear to be just hidious beings! A pox on their house. My check is in the mail!

[Guest brianrj]

Regina,

 

I too was a bit saddened to see that HooBoy was not going to list the rates anymore. I wasn't clear as to if it was because of legal concerns, escort rate inflation or other problems? Legal concerns I could understand - though it would be nice to find a way around it? (Maybe we could quote rates in terms of pork bellies from your very own "El Banco Puerco")

 

Have a good one! (And stop that crying - he probably wasn't worth it anyway!)

 

PS: Why can't I find the thread we participated in yesterday? It was started by an escort who claimed the authorities were using this site to crack down on escorts driving them underground. It seems to have disappeared.

[Guest REGINA]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-00 AT 07:26PM (CST)[p]brianrj-I knew something was missing from the forum. I've been looking through of the various postings here and the lounge, etc. thinking I had the name wrong; then I thought I was losing my mind and had dreamed it. Glad to read I'm not hallucinating. I also wanted to read what had been posted to Mr. Herrington's notice but kept getting some request for escorts in Raleigh/Durham. I know HooBoy is swamped trying to get this site out of the clutches of the evil Vario empire and hope it will turn up somewhere soon.

 

Pork bellies indeed...although there's nothing I like better than getting porked! Not to dismiss a good handjob--but I must admit--when I see someone getting a hand job it's all I can do to keep from sreaming "Use your mouth, that's why God gave it to you!"

 

I digress...any more thoughts on the posting of escort fees anyone?

[Guest YR]

Regina, I think the title of the original thread that you are talking about was something about what makes a good review, or something on that order. However, I've gone through all the postings and don't see it either :-( As you said, perhaps it will re-appear when everything else settles down.

[Guest Jake]

Yeah, escort fees - a very important post I would think. I can't imagine why they shouldn't be included unless there is a legal concern. I know that the once or twice I went to the Gaiety, the fee was quoted in pounds (not sterling) such as "I weigh 200 lbs." It can't be the fluctation thing that would cause HooBoy not to post fees, otherwise he would have stopped posting dick size a long time ago. Nothing fluctuates more than that!

[Guest BBman]

Regina: I agree...it's good to at least have a price range so that you don't waste your time and the escort's time if you know you're not able to afford him. I have my own limit in terms of what I'll pay for an hour, so it helps to know beforehand.

[HooBoy]

Since this site took off, escorts have raised their rates...especially the ones that consistently get good reviews.

 

You can argue supply and demand and all I see is greed and pride. When escort A notices that escort B is getting more money, then escort A is going to raise his rates.

 

I have seen the prices escalate - even among guys I consider my friends - to the point I either can't afford them or I'd rather pay VERIO.

 

Then, there is the other issue. Fees are for time only. When the reviewer prattles on about sexual matters and fees are listed a few lines above then things get into an area I would rather not trod.

 

I would be interested to hear what some of our attorney friends have to say about it. But the main reason is that the escort rates have gone up. And the more they see we will pay, the more they will raise their rates.

 

I would rather call up a guy and say what are your rates? If they're too high, I can say "that's too much." And he won't be able to say "Well that's what HooBoy's site is listing for..."

 

Does this make sense? If you guys want me to post rates again, then forget HooBoy. Just call me PT Barnum.

[Guest ChrisCanton]

Taking Escort rates off the site is neither here nor there Hooboy. You link to their web sites where most post their rates to begin with. The fact that this site exposes the Escort industry for what it is, is quite frankly disturbing to me. Regardless of all the disclaimers that you put up on the site it does not negate the fact you are still putting Escorts at risk. People are still discussing what they do and don't do with an Escort sexually. Then link to their pages where rates are listed. I mean DUH, HELLO! The thread that disappeared (What makes a Review useful) we were discussing the recent arrest in NYC where the 2 Escorts that were arrested had their reviews from this site printed out along with their Web sites, AOL profile and Instant massage conversations. The Escorts were also recorded on the phone and at the hotel where they were arrested. All of this information was contained in a file that was given to the Judge and DA to help prosecute these Escorts. What you are doing here is beyond the realm of Stupidity!

[Guest justin]

Im sure the MAIN reason that these escorts were arrested was because of their INAPPROPRIATE INSTANT MESSAGE conversations on AOL. Do you actually think these reviews would hold up in a court of law? The only way that would ever happen is if these reviews could be verified by the police......HOOBOY can't verify these 100%. I would be surprised as hell if the police would have any sort of legal right to pursue the people writing the review in hopes of prosecuting an escort. does anyone know for sure?? I am an escort who has NOT raised my rates because of exposure from this site, but I guess some would consider my fee high anyway. Not listing fees is a mistake Hooboy because there are a wide range of fees out there and there are many clients looking to hire an escort as long as the escort meets their budget. I am always nice to potential clients who call me but are not able to afford the fee, but I am sure there are escorts who are not friendly about it. And if an escort sees that they are getting more business due to this site that is probably the reason they are raising their rates......not because they are comparing their fees to other escorts. I dont think not listing fees will have the desired outcome you are searching for. It will just provide potential clients with less information....important information.

[seeker630]

Is there any way to verify that this tale of escorts being arrested is factual and not rumor? There was an earlier posting about sting operations & arrests in NYC that were disputed by other posts.

[HooBoy]

Rates will be published again.

 

I've added it to the form.

 

I'll re-add the rates I've deleted as I can get to them.

[Guest rggf]

I say it would be nice to have them, but if it causes any kind of problem, take them off. Any way to verify this tale of arrests, etc.?

 

I am not a lawyer, but I have been a litigation word processor for years and now work in the I.T. department of a major L.A. lawfirm. I can't imagine anyone's arrest on that kind of "hearsay" evidence. Someone might use the info to focus on a "perpetrator," but they would still need substantiation to arrest and convict someone. I would hate to think that our postings could cause this to happen.

[Guest REGINA]

Having read all the above, I still would like to see rates posted on reviews. I know what I can and cannot afford and it simply saves me time from having to call up an escort and say "Hi, I read about you and want to know how much you charge." I agree that prices will continue to go up (supply & demand/greed & pride) as long as people are willing to pay, and that's their choice. And contrary to Mr. Canton's condescending insight, many escort web pages do not list fees. (DUH, HELLO!)

 

I understand HooBoy's position in this matter and I'm sure he has a better overview of the situation. I'll live with whatever he decides. I think HooBoy needs a break...I cannot imagine having to pay $4,000.00 for what started as an interesting hobby! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[Guest REGINA]

Is this a "sucker born every minute" reference or the fact that it's such a circus?

 

Hope you're not offended by my observations. I wouldn't bother to place rates back as it seems you certainly have enough on your plate...unless someone's rates have gone from $100 to $300 in one month or something like that. Anyway, thanks for everything. You're the best! :*

[MiamiLooker]

I don't see that it matters much if a fee is posted or not except for the fact, that as Hooboy states, some escorts are raising their fees because of good reviews on this site. More clients should just politely say no thank you if the fee is too high and move on. I've paid anywhere from $50 to over $300, and it's been my experience that a higher fee rarely results in a more satisfying experience.

 

I don't understand why anyone would allow an escort (or anyone, for that matter) to be rude and abusive for ten minutes because the fee was more than what the client expected or could afford. If the guy is still escorting it would be a service to a lot of us who don't care to spend our money on a jerk to identify him on this site (unless that's a no-no??). Elevating some of these guys to god-like status just reinforces their delusions of grandeur and probably results in many of them raising their fees. Their shit stinks just like anyone else's (of course, if you're into scat, you might disagree).

 

Just as an aside, and not quite on the subject, but I recently received an Instant Message from Ty O'Brien (reviewed on this site under Texas), and he was very polite when I responded that he wasn't what I was looking for.

 

By the way, it's another beautiful day in south Florida :-)

[Guest REGINA]

Hi MiamiLooker, The reason I like to see a fee posted is to see whether or not I'm even in the ballpark. I understand that there is some fluctuation according to what is asked (i.e. a social escort vs wrestling around vs an all nighter with leather) but at least it's something to go on.

 

I was the one bitched at for ten minutes. I'm one of those listener types and kept thinking it was going to get better but by the time I realized we were going nowhere fast I was already upset. However, it was the first time I called and I may have asked the wrong question or made the wrong statement (do you think telling him that 9" was less than average may have pissed him off?) :-) Just kidding...

 

Anyway, glad to hear it's a beautiful day in Florida. Here in New York is cool and misty and grey and overcast...like Autumn, the kind of weather I just wanna lie in bed and get it all day! Oh, cheers to Ty O'Brian for being such a gentleman. Nice guys deserve to have nice things happen.

 

Haven't heard from any escorts about this issue, with the exception of the sunny disposition of Chris Canton (is he reviewed on this website?). What a nasty queen. CALLING ALL ESCORTS...any thoughts on fees being listed?

[Guest ChrisCanton]

Pardon me Regina for trying to alert people of the consequences of having what they do plastered all over a Global Internet forum for all the world to see. If that makes me a nasty queen so be it but rest assured I'm no QUEEN old man! As to your question have I been reviewed here? The answer is no and if Hooboy has the 10th of a brain that I think he has he will never post anything about me on his review site. Fortunately as I said in the lost thread my clients have better things to do with their time than sit in front of the computer and gossip about Escorts.

[Guest Jake]

Why does everything have to turn ugly? I figure any subject can have about three replies before some asshole takes offense at something and turns what was a pleasant and insightful discussion into a bitch fest. For Christ sakes guys, this is sex. It's supposed to be fun. I for one plan on keeping it that way.

[HooBoy]

I thought I made it clear that I was going to post rates.

 

I do not know who Chris Canton is and I really wish he would not come around here anymore.

 

And, yes, we're talking about fun! Why do the Chris Canton's of the world have to turn it ugly?

 

Hugs to Regina and all!

 

HooBoy

[Guest rggf]

ChrisCanton, get over it...

 

ChrisCanton, you have no power here. Begone, before someone drops a house on you!

[Guest rggf]

And Hugs to Regina from me, too...

 

Regina, I do enjoy your light patter. Keep on keeping on, child...;-) :o

[Guest REGINA]

RE: And Hugs to Regina from me, too...

 

LAST EDITED ON Feb-27-00 AT 08:17PM (CST)[p]Chris Canton-I stand corrected, you are not a Queen old man, and I guess you truly believe what you say which explains the fervor with which you write. I guess it's just the nasty edge you use that, speaking only for me, turns me off to you.

 

Since you have the inside track, what can we do to prevent AOL from using our writings against us. Do you suggest another internet server? Is there an option in the personal setup that prevents information from being released without our knowing? So, without belittling us--or at least me--how can I reach such a goal, or is it hopeless.

 

I think you just need some love too.

 

xoxo

[Guest leandream1]

RE: And Hugs to Regina from me, too...

 

Regina, Hugs. Boy you need some thicker skin and that Canton guy needs slap.

 

Posted Fees: Hooboy is putting the fees back. Good enough. I don't post my fees on my website, but do not mind in the least clients posting what their session with me ran. In my escorting career the only fee change I have made was to add InCalls and I up'ed my overnight fee $100 to the SoCal average. Regular overnight clients will of course continue to pay the $900 overnight rate.

 

Cops: any information on this website would not be admissable in court or would be objected to by any defense's (escorts) attorney as hearsay. Taped Phone conversations, Webpages, Aol instant message conversations, these are another matter and one must be very careful about that. Some potential clients have screamed at me (as much as someone can scream on line) for not being more forthright with my activities and rates on my webpage or over instant messages. Too bad. An ounce of prevention is worth a gallon of cure. Precise, yet non-incriminating phone conversations, though risky, are a must.

 

There you go, one escort's opinion on posting fees.

[Guest REGINA]

ONE LONE ESCORT SPEAKS

 

Rod-thanks for your input. I had no idea of the difference between this forum and aol and personal websites, etc. What you say makes perfect sense.

 

Maybe a forum listing of what to do and not do in case of an arrest. I believe there was something along those lines on http://www.cruisingforsex.com but I'm not sure.

 

Did you ever manage to find a CPA? Maybe you should advertise in the Wall Street Journal? (God, can you just imagine!) :-)

[HooBoy]

RE: ONE LONE ESCORT SPEAKS

 

I reinstated posting fees because I got so many requests (and some demands) to post the rates. It's not a matter of thick skin, its a matter of pleasing my public, customers, contributors and readers.

 

As far as I am concerned, all rates are for time only and companionship only.

 

And LeanDream is correct.