Time between escort resonses and lack of reading comprehension

[Bart]

I have had a recent disturbing trend and want to make sure I am not being too critical about hiring guys.

 

I have put feelers and requests out to about 8 guys in the last 10 days. Usually begins with an email, I do not start with phone call, so that does eliminate a group of guys who do not do email. I usually book in advance never same day, occasionally the next day.

 

I have actually received a return on most, either by email or phone which I will accept. That said I always give a thorough explanantion in an email. On the phone I will give an abbreviated overview if talking directly but not on a voice mail.

 

That said the disturbing trend is the following is the lack of follow up after I return the call or email. For the phone call I was doing my work out and returned the call about 1-1/2 hr later. He returned my call 8 days later and although he was traveling part of time he was not on a cruise ship with one client. I think a follow up call that simply said I will get back with you in a few days is all that was required. I moved on to others.

 

The other couple were all email responses. I usually put all my cards on the table first time out, no surprises so the guy can comment, ask questions and lets get the deal done in two or three responses. A couple guys did respond quickly, by asking the same questions I already listed in the text. I may need to go to bullit like listings. However, to me if the guy can not make it through two paragraphs I think maybe his attention span may not work for me either. Note none of the meetings I propose are 1 hour they are always multi hour so there are some bucks at stake here.

 

The other responses to emails again took a week plus to get back to me unless you are with a client traveling for an extended period the response should be with in 48 hours. You can put your vacation response on which will give prospective clients the knowledge that the resonse may take awhile. I would not be perturbed except I had two guys the phone guy and one email type that both got mad that I had wasted their time in contacting them in the first place when I responded that I had booked someone else.

 

Any thoughts on how I should have responded or how long is it appropriate to respond in? Is there some reason why you would not indicate in your voice mail that you are unavailable for a period of time or have your vacation response on if with client?

[JT Brooklyn]

Bart.. As with a few other Questions regarding "The Working Guy" Responses and how they deal with them, Definitely will always be a case by case situation. No set Answer No set Rule! Good Luck.. :P

[+ ArVaGuy]

Bart,

 

As a client I share many of your frustrations and over time have come to accept that the slow response times, or no reply, is the general nature of this business. I follow a 24/48 hour rule in regard to response to my initial email seeking to hire a guy. If he replies in 24 hours then its very likely he's got it together and may be more service oriented. Note that I try to reply to an escort's message within the same time period.

 

After 48 hours if there is still no reply then I move on and totally forget about the prospect of hiring the escort. Sorry if that's tough for some escorts to accept but this is a service business and based on my personal experience I have learned that guys that take forever to respond generally don't deliver a positive experience. Further, I will never contanct an escort that states "phone only" based on a number of lousy experiences over the years.

 

However, if it's a guy that I have seen in the past and we have an established relationship then I am much more lienient on the reply timing. This is based on the fact that I know them rather well and can expect that the experience is going to be just as great as it's been in the past.

 

Also, some guys could be in the process of arranging other buiness and may want to hold off replying till those issues clear their calendar. Still a "I'm working on calendar issues and can get back to you in ___" may be better than no reply at all.

 

In part based on the reply difficulities I have experienced in recent years, I am hiring fewer and fewer "new" guys. I stick primarily to guys I have hired in the past and this has proved beneficial to both of us. Now I only add one or two guys a year at most to my, ahem, stable. And to be honest, those one or two new guys may bump another guy out of my stable for a variety of reasons.

 

As to the out of office greeting idea I have had a couple of guys actually have such repsonses but most don't so I don't even expect it. I know several guys who travel and they always seem to find a way to reply in a timely manner related to messages. Even on cruise ships so I can't entirely buy the "busy on travel" from a traveling escort as to why it takes forever for a response. Especially from the guys who travel all the time as the foundation of their business. It's no different than being a legit business traveler who has to stay connected on the road.

 

Further, I can't buy the "we get a lot of useless inquiries" excuse either. Well that's the nature of any sales business and has to be taken as a cost of doing business. The escort has published his e-mail and phone he has to expect such inquiries as does any sales oriented business. (I travel a lot for work, recently in less than three hours away from my computer I recieved 64 messages all business issues and inquries, so if an escort wants to discuss e-mail volume I am on for it.)

 

You don't need to be concerend about how you should have handled the nasty reply from the escorts about hiring someone else. You did not waste their time. They wasted your time. You took the time to inquire about their services and offered to exchange money for them. You waited for their reply which did not come in a reasonably timely manner. You moved on and likely had a better expereince with a more professional guy. You spent your time waiting for a reply and that's a waste as well as a lost opportunity for the escort. Such escorts are not worth dealing with and you should be glad you moved on to another option.

[alanalt]

I'd say you're not being unreasonable but J.T.'s comment that a lot of this stuff has to be judged on a case-by-case basis is accurate as well.

 

Like you, I only initiate contact by e-mail and over the years I've refined my opening blurb to a fairly short but reasonably comprehensive e-mail about who I am and what I like. And yes, I do occasionally get back a 'standard' response from the escort asking questions that I answered in the first e-mail... It's a bit frustrating, but their reply to your follow-up is usually a very good indicator as to how closely they're reading your e-mails.

 

As a sidenote, I find myself judging potential escorts more and more upon whether they give good e-mail when contacting them (not just the initial response but the next one or two as well). Of course, e-mail's a limited form of communication, but if I'm not getting a 'good vibe' by that second response from the escort, then I'm pretty seriously re-evaluating whether to confirm a session with him at that point. To be fair, I once had a great time with an escort whose e-mail skills were lacking, but he seemed to be the exception that proved the rule. Basically, my conclusion is that if an escort's not paying attention to your e-mails, he's not likely to do much better in person either...

 

As for time to reply, it all depends... Because I live in a distant section of the galaxy, I'm often booking for when I'm going to be traveling. So in those cases, I tend to initiate contact several weeks ahead of time and I'm willing to wait a while for a response, particularly, if it's an escort I really want to see. But yes, if no response is forthcoming (even a 'please contact me closer to the intended date' reply) after a few days, I'm on to the next guy on my list (who will probably not get quite such a long waiting period) and so on.

 

But I'd certainly say that even in those cases, I'd have little patience with an escort 'who got mad' if they didn't get back to you within 2-3 days of your initial message if there's no indication that they're traveling at the time. Now, if I know they are traveling (from their ad, website, automated e-mail reply etc.) I really don't expect a reply while they're on the road, because, clients aside, there are still plenty of places where it's very difficult to properly access one's e-mail remotely.

 

Having worked in sales (and hated it ), I guess I tend to put a lot of value on those first contacts, which is more than I can say about many escorts. But there are plenty of fish in the sea and even if an escort is gorgeous, if he's not willing to make an effort to reach out a bit and forge a connection from his side, I'm very willing to move on!

 

Alan

[Guest josephga]

this problem happens in the massage field as well. As a massage therapist i check my phone messages every 2 hours then return any calls that i have. I have had clients tell me that they called or emailed guys and heard nothing for 3 days or not at all. emails are another story i tend to be put off by emails due to allot of people will try to use email as away to get way from having to give me a phone number. I work from my home and will not take a client without a number on record. People who email will sometimes take 10 to 15 emails asking one question at a time.. I decided last week to cut down on the volume of email i created a word file that pretty much lays it all out there. I send that file with the first and only email...

[Bart]

Thanks for the responses. As a side note I do include my phone number because that is one way for the guy to figure I am real.

[Philly Guy]

Let's face facts; the Internet has enabled many individuals that could never obtain a decent job (or get into anything other than a Commmunity College) make a ton of money.

 

As all of us have learned through mainstream hard work, if you are un-responsive to your clients, your competitors will earn the business. Yet I find we have to chase many of these guys to give them $300 an hour.

 

I remember an old AT&T ad on TV where the old business owner spins around in his chair and says to a salesperson that did not get the deal "you should have called" - Goddam, the good old days when you earned your business.

[Philly Guy]

As I made my last post, I forgot to emphasize that I know the job at hand is not always a pleasant one, I am merely saying that it is good business to be responsive to your clients and not make them feel that they are chasing you.

[Steven_Draker]

>I know several guys who travel and they always seem to find a way to reply in a timely

>manner related to messages. Even on cruise ships so I can't entirely buy the "busy on

>travel" from a traveling escort as to why it takes forever for a response.

 

... even on cruise ships ... isn't that weird ?? :+

[Bart]

As a postscript, one of those long delayed responses, came in last evening. Nearly a month, 25 days later, I received a response suggesting that I had gotten lost in his inbox. In the mean his picture had gotten lost in my memory. He felt since my request was a date months away, eight weeks actually that he felt it was not necessary to get back to me immediately. Unfortunately for him I have booked alternatives.

[JT Brooklyn]

True Philly..But there are also the Working Guys who Genuinely are Quite busy with Day Jobs etc and just don't have the Time to answer emails in a short period of Time. My theory has been IF the Client is that Horney CALL HIM only works best in this Scenario!

 

Then there are the Full Time.. Who are not that busy guys, who will JUMP on an email, or even more so a Call! LOL :P

[Philly Guy]

>True Philly..But there are also the Working Guys who

>Genuinely are Quite busy with Day Jobs etc and just don't have

>the Time to answer emails in a short period of Time. My theory

>has been IF the Client is that Horney CALL HIM only works best

>in this Scenario!

>

>Then there are the Full Time.. Who are not that busy guys, who

>will JUMP on an email, or even more so a Call! LOL :P

 

JT - I truly understand your point. I am coming off an experience where I left countless voice mail, texts and emails for an individual that was advertised to be in a particular city at a particular time and got none of my messages returned. When I finally got him, he was boarding a plane to leave.

 

Back in the day, before the Internet (not that long ago), guys had to figure very innovative ways to meet clients (and I am sure it was hard work). I feel that business is easy to acquire for some of the guys and a little bit of arrogance plays a role in the lack of communication.

[JT Brooklyn]

Philly You are right....

After a few Messages Emails whatever, IF the Guy cannot make an Appointnment and you have taken the TIME to Contact him and your emails haven't put him off (this does happen) I'm not saying with you, he should Reply.. Sorry No Can Do!

 

Like other "Things in Life" Some people cannot be bothered being nice!

 

 

:P

[Louis]

Escorting is a service "industry" and if people don't communicate with potential customers in a reasonable time, then they are missing the picture, and should move on to something else, because its obvious their heart isn't into it. (sure there are exceptions)

Escorts get one chance with me, and that's it. If they don't respond promptly then I don't send them another email.

[Vincent_Michael]

Bart I feel your pain as I hate it when people leave me hanging...I however have had on the occasion were I get sick or have terrable computer problems and needed to address other things before getting back to the e-mails.

[Vincent_Michael]

I understand with the e-mail thing and for the most part im pretty good as getting back with people but somehting that I feel is greatly helpfull to me is when a client msges me on Yhaoo IM and I have no problem ever talking to them and I am never in invisable mode to were the person cant see me...and I am ussually on when I am available.

 

Maybe you guys can see about msging the escort to get a faster response.

[Bart]

Thanks for the response VM. My question is what is an appropriate time to wait for response? For example, I have corresponded back and forth a couple of times with a gentleman who has numerous excellent reviews. It has been awhile almost two weeks since I last heard back. Should assume there is no interest and move on, my guess is yes. I do not think it is up to me to contact him again. My guess is I will hear from him in a week or so and my interest level has simply waned and I am on to looking elsewhere.

[Vincent_Michael]

I understand I am sorry, I some how didn't see it even though I can see it clear as day now so forgive me. My personal thought is that you should have one to three e-mails then hopfully a phone number for comunication. If it is to long for an escort to get back to you I would move on and persue other escorts. When the escort does get back to you I would make a note about it if you do still want to see them as that might be somethign to expect from them and JT is right every escort is diffrent so what I say should be is diffrent from the next because everyone runs there own biz as it were lol.

[Guest josephga]

I agree 1 to 3 emails max. i cant speak for escorts but as a massage therapist I wont bother after 3 emails. if i dont have a number by the 3rd email im moving on..

[Bart]

Well as update to the guys who left me hanging. As expected both guys who were past the two week point of response did get back to me. Both had similar excuses that my emails were opened and put off to the side for further review. One case 18 days the other was 22 days. I ended up having a lengthy phone conversation with both.

 

The less known guy who is over 30, was to get back to me in a few days, its been two weeks and is now in my spam box. The other guy, very well reviewed is nearly a week. I just cleared him from the computer as well. I have given them both alternative resources to check me out and both were very comfortable with what I asked for.

 

I do not think asking for a quick follow up call or email that would take a minute is really asking too much. That is what customer service is all about.

[raulgmanzo]

Well today in my usual pile of mail I got four contacts via rentboy.com and Men4RentNow.com that had invalid email addresses (and no phone number). This happens now and then, sometimes the client simply mistypes his email and occasionally I just guess. Like when is says Name: JohnSmith, Email: JohnSith@whatever.com. But usually there isn't much I can do except hope that the potential client tries again.

 

I also endup with lots of contacts that get routed to my spam folder which I check regularly but sometimes I get hundreds of spam emails and by mistake delete serious inquiries. Whoops!

 

Raul

[+ Tygerscent]

Ya... I get this too a lot... guys inquire and don';t leave correct email addies to reply back to. Wrong phone numbers, leaev voicemails but are unknown and no redail number is possible, they leave no name or leave messages and tell me not to call back for reasons of discretion except during limited times, sometimes my cell service does not del;iver messages to my inbox in a timely manner... sometimes it';s some three days later! Sometimes email is not available, ie: on plane, bus, train, car. Cell also can have limitations, cell range, planes, out fo country calls... Sometimes regular Clients may get priority in returned phone calls and may feel more of a need to receive them over other new clients, Contacting east to westr coast can ne a vrianle. I don't know about other Escorts but i find myself working predominanty 2nd and 3rd shit. That can be an issue.

Seomtimes a Cient may not have direct schuling requests:ie Well, it might be tomorrow or thusday or friday I'll let you know... Don't call me I'm married or at work... maybe they are checking out three other Escotrs and you are number four on the list, they may or may not get back to you...

This past week both of my computers were down. I spent 28 hours talking to my friend in GA trying to get things str8tened out. Sometimes the server is down and even though my computer is working the server won't let me access. Sometimes I am with another client for an overnight or session. My phone will be off for sure!!! It's inappropriate to be on the phone with other Clients when some one is paying good money for you to be with them.

Sometimes I am sleeping or have my phone charging. that does not make me disinterested but means that I am the sole proprietor of my business and don't have other people helping me run the busniness. I personally will not answer a call if the number shows as unlisted, unknown or private. I wait for them to leave a message.. check that out and then call back if they leave info and time to call. I've had stalker problems and so shy away from those types of calls...

I've responded to Clients who don't call or write back for months. Sometimes up to a year later. Does that mwean they are not interested? Not neccessarily... Sometimes communication is not a perfect science. I very rarely respond to text messages. I get charged for opening them and replying back to them. I get more then my messaging allowance can handle and lots of times they are messages to simply say Hi~ I don't mind people saying hi... I like that. The average call does not last less then 10 minutes I find. Email responses tend to be more then 5 minute proceedures.

I know I spend a good 6 hours on the computer minimum daily. Four hours on the phone or longer. If I have a Client that day add another four hours on at least,(and up to 24 or 28 hours or longer) (prep, travel, meet, return home). If flying... add another 5 to 12 hours... I;m not whining. Those are just realities. I truely Love my job and invest fully in my Clients with my time. They are important to me and I hoep that I return sdome value and importance to them, add to their life somehow.

Escorts have to do a few things to stay working: Eat, sleep, work out, ashit show shave work other jobs sometimes... travel, advetise. All of these things take time. A sales job does not require most sales people to work out, perform sexually on top of providing other needs for Customers. We are intrinsically interwoven with many aspects of any given Client's life and that can extend beyond any particualr meeting time. There is a lot of off clock time.

There is not just one single product that is purchased and then the sale is done. There is more to it then that. It's not 9 to 5... it's on call any time of day or night and any given day of the week... on any given continent or coast. Does not make an Escort Bad or disinterested~ Just working with variables. Cell and email are not perfect sciences. Travel is often involved and time set aside for Confirmed Clients. There's a lot to consider. Does not make Client or Escort wrong...

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[Guest resorts777]

How about we add some names to this discussion?

Escorts who I've found to be great about replying to emails: Steven Draker, Raul Manzo, KalEl, Jonathan Knightley, hot muscle boy Will, David Latin Muscle, Rick Munroe.

Escorts who are awful about responding: Josh Weston and Juan New York City, both of whom are well worth the effort.

Overall, not a bad percentage.

[Guest josephga]

tyger I agree. I take 3 massage clients aday and people think that means I only work 3 hours aday. I check email twice aday . If a client emails me I will respond with 1 email only and that email contains my contact number. I to will not book A client from a blocked calls. All email bookings are final only after we have spoken on the phone.. I had a stalker 4 years ago. I was hit by a client once..

[uwsman2]

And Scott Adler.... I found he was very good about email response!