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> I refuse to let the words of a bored queen bother me.

>Because, I do in fact respect his opinion, I only wish he

>would be more civil.

 

So you call him a name. Very civil of you.

 

As for bargaining, some escorts do and some don't. How do you know if the guy will be insulted or not if a client tries, since some do bargain? If I know what an escort's posted rates are before I contact them then I am ok with paying that rate or I would not contact them. If they quote more than the posted rate I will mention what I "Thought" was their rate and tell them the source (i.e. website, review,etc...) I have a problem with the "varies" thing because I don't know then what to plan for and have passed on a few guys when told. Then had a few to offer a lower price without my asking. No bargaining.

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>> I refuse to let the words of a bored queen bother me.

>>Because, I do in fact respect his opinion, I only wish he

>>would be more civil.

>

>So you call him a name. Very civil of you.

>

> As for bargaining, some escorts do and some don't. How do you

>know if the guy will be insulted or not if a client tries,

>since some do bargain? If I know what an escort's posted rates

>are before I contact them then I am ok with paying that rate

>or I would not contact them. If they quote more than the

>posted rate I will mention what I "Thought" was their rate and

>tell them the source (i.e. website, review,etc...) I have a

>problem with the "varies" thing because I don't know then what

>to plan for and have passed on a few guys when told. Then had

>a few to offer a lower price without my asking. No

>bargaining.

 

 

 

I never said it was all clients fault. The escorts who do indeed bargain hurt the rest, and it gives people idea's that everyone will bargain.

 

Just like until recently, when a client would want me to come to say, like Chicago...It was assumed that he would be taking care of the travel, not to mention the rates for my time upon arrival.

 

Now, for some reason, people expect us to pay for our flight, hotel and rental up front. I don't know about the rest of us, but I do not have 1k to throw down just to sit there and hope someone calls.

And its the "circuit boys" who creates this. They literally do nothing except travel city to city and see 10 clients or as many as they can fit in the day and then move on. That right there is wrong in SO many ways. I could go on and on.

 

 

The point is, bargaining is just straight up rude, and messed up. Unless the escort says that bargaining is fine, I wouldn't even do it. For me, its the fastest way for me to tell you that i don't think it will work out. This is my body, my life and my health I am risking. Sorry, its not up for negotiation. And for the ones willing to bargain and haggle, well you have to wonder just what you are getting.

 

OH WAIT.

A bargain. In this business, you get what you pay for.

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>Zip, I bet if I came over and hung out with you for a few

>hours, I would take 10 years off that bitter mindset of yours

>and have you kicking your heels in happiness. I would even do

>it for the sanity of the people on this board.

>Nobody likes a troll, and even as young and impertinent as I

>am, know this.

 

Intresting comments and a revealing snap shot into your head. My "Mindset" as you call it, is far from bitter. Just because I called you on what was obviously an untruth - that as an escort you do not necessarily meet a client for the purpose of having sex - does not give you license to assume I am bitter.

 

I also very much doubt if the "sanity of people on this board" is in any way in jeopardy from my comments - and as for your description of me as a "troll", that's just laughable. You should really stop dealing in cliches, they are a poor substitute for thinking.

 

You are heavily into self delusion and when someone points that out to you, you do not have the maturity to recognize that shortcoming in yourself. Perhaps with age that will happen. For your sake I hope it does.

 

>Regardless, I will still be here, and doing what

>I do. I refuse to let the words of a bored queen bother me.

 

Wrong again! I;m not in the least bored (although I do find your response tiresome, that does not equate to boredom)

 

And I'm not a queen (quite the opposite - I'm masculine to the core)

 

>Because, I do in fact respect his opinion,

 

Perhaps you do - although I have my doubts.

 

>I only wish he would be more civil.

 

If you think my use of the word "Bull" was uncivil, you need to toughen up just a tad.

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Oh zip, I will directly reply to you, since that is what it seems you want.

 

 

Fact. You are a troll, or you have troll like tendencies. I ALWAYS see you arguing with someone, or making a sarcastic comment toward someone or something. Thus is why I called you bitter. I never see anything nice you say. Its always negative or degrading. It seems you always want to get a rise outta someone. See definition for troll.

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???

 

Wow, what a train wreck! :7

 

Shouldn't/couldn't have this been easier? All the original post had to have was 3 pieces of information and a question.

 

1) Client contacts escort to possibly arrange an overnight.

2) Escort responds including information on rates and duration of overnight session.

3) A date is set and the escort wants to reduce the duration but doesn't mention altering the rate.

 

Question: Is it fair for an escort to reduce the duration of an overnight session once it's booked without offering a reduced rate or other compensation?

 

Then we could have all replied in chorus (more or less) 'No, it's not fair, jeddinger, and you should discuss this concern with the escort'.

 

Instead we have a 50+ post thread going off in all directions, the original poster so upset/disgusted that he's leaving the board (and ostentatiously appending a signature line to that effect in all of his posts, just in case we missed it ;-) ), some folks leaping to his defence, others advising him not to let the door hit his ass on the way out, and a rather bizarre argument, still going on, that has now degenerated into little more than name-calling on an issue that seems (to me anyway) to be quite apart from the thread at all...

 

And I suppose my input on all this is just to :D and wonder at the weirdness of it all...

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>OH WAIT.

>A bargain. In this business, you get what you pay for.

 

I have hired over 100 escorts and price really does not relate to whether I have a good experience or not. The Best Escort I have ever hired, and the only real regular I now have, Charges $180 per hour, $500 for an evening. Awesome kisser, great body, big cock, fantastic bottom and never stops with only cumming once. In price terms, he is a real bargain. A real jewell in the Escort world.

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>And I suppose my input on all this is just to :D and wonder at

>the weirdness of it all...

 

Very simply and well said.

 

When a thread goes so far off target I am always reminded of the old elementry school game. Where everyone is in a circle and the first says something to the next person and they pass it on. Then you see if what the last person says, was what the first started... rarely ever was. Always thought that was one of the real valuable lessons of grade school.

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>>And I suppose my input on all this is just to :D and wonder

>at

>>the weirdness of it all...

>

>Very simply and well said.

>

>When a thread goes so far off target I am always reminded of

>the old elementry school game. Where everyone is in a circle

>and the first says something to the next person and they pass

>it on. Then you see if what the last person says, was what the

>first started... rarely ever was. Always thought that was one

>of the real valuable lessons of grade school.

>

 

I learned that the circuit boys are the cause of all the problems. I never knew that before.

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>Oh zip, I will directly reply to you, since that is what it

>seems you want.

>

>

>Fact. You are a troll, or you have troll like tendencies. I

>ALWAYS see you arguing with someone, or making a sarcastic

>comment toward someone or something. Thus is why I called you

>bitter. I never see anything nice you say. Its always negative

>or degrading. It seems you always want to get a rise outta

>someone. See definition for troll.

 

Dear boy..... you have SO much to learn - it boggles the mind

 

And yes, you are right, I desperately want you to reply directly to me. It's all I have to live for. Please don't deny me the only pleasure I have left. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

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>And I suppose my input on all this is just to :D and wonder at

>the weirdness of it all...

 

I agree - It's something like a bad rewrite of Alice In Wonderland.

All that's left to do is decide who is Alice and who gets to play The Mad Hatter.

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>>Oh zip, I will directly reply to you, since that is what it

>>seems you want.

>>

>>

>>Fact. You are a troll, or you have troll like tendencies. I

>>ALWAYS see you arguing with someone, or making a sarcastic

>>comment toward someone or something. Thus is why I called

>you

>>bitter. I never see anything nice you say. Its always

>negative

>>or degrading. It seems you always want to get a rise outta

>>someone. See definition for troll.

>

>Dear boy..... you have SO much to learn - it boggles the mind

>

>And yes, you are right, I desperately want you to reply

>directly to me. It's all I have to live for. Please don't deny

>me the only pleasure I have left. Thank you, Thank you, Thank

>you.

>

 

Awe, zip...Look my friend. You would think with me being the "boy" and you the man, you would have taken the initiative and just stopped this whole silly thing. But its quite obvious that unless I just politely ignore you, you will just come back with your same silly, angry comments and sarcastic replies.

You should be proud that you have "shown me" and be glad i wont bother wasting my time ever on anything you say again. Because I know and everyone else knows you will just have the same irritating, immature responses. You have never changed, and you will probably die the same old bitter man you are today.

 

Now go ahead, make some retarded childish comeback, proving me right.

Its cool, ill walk away.

 

 

I hope those of you who are new around here see how this little man works and trolls these forums. This isnt the first thread, nor am I the first person he instigates fights with. And I doubt i will be the last.

 

 

 

Good day.

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>>>And I suppose my input on all this is just to :D and

>wonder

>>at

>>>the weirdness of it all...

>>

>>Very simply and well said.

>>

>>When a thread goes so far off target I am always reminded of

>>the old elementry school game. Where everyone is in a circle

>>and the first says something to the next person and they

>pass

>>it on. Then you see if what the last person says, was what

>the

>>first started... rarely ever was. Always thought that was

>one

>>of the real valuable lessons of grade school.

>>

>

>I learned that the circuit boys are the cause of all the

>problems. I never knew that before.

 

Ugh. Seriously I am beginning to wonder if you and Zip arent sitting next to each other.

 

Must I explain everything for you to understand? Or am I just supposed to sit here while you make your stupid sarcastic comments....

 

The circuit boys ARE ruining it for the rest of us. Because of them, everyone expects us to pay our own travel expenses upfront.

Sorry, but if I have an extra 2k to spend on a trip just so that I can be in a town, where there is no guarantee that anyone will show up...I wouldn't even be doing this in the first place.

 

And for those of you who say you do this for the pleasure, and the fun and the Ect and NOT for the money are full of it. Yes, there is all the above included, but if that were the only reason why you do it, then stop charging for your time. Thats what I thought.

 

Got it>

 

:)

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> As for bargaining, some escorts do and some don't. How do you

>know if the guy will be insulted or not if a client tries,

>since some do bargain? If I know what an escort's posted rates

>are before I contact them then I am ok with paying that rate

>or I would not contact them. If they quote more than the

>posted rate I will mention what I "Thought" was their rate and

>tell them the source (i.e. website, review,etc...)

 

I was really going to stay out of this since I'm usually the one leading this debate so it was nice to be able to take a break :)

 

I will say that since KY likes to beat this dead horse of a topic my response needs to be brought up again. Again ... why do you feel the need to take the initiative to test the limits of escorts and hope that one will bargain. You answered your own question below!

 

>I have a

>problem with the "varies" thing because I don't know then what

>to plan for and have passed on a few guys when told. Then had

>a few to offer a lower price without my asking. No

>bargaining.

 

If you have a problem with the varies thing that's YOUR deal ... not the escorting community. You apparently also have problems with "rates start at" because you proceeded to fabricate a story based on my rate system when I gave you a rate based on your interests.

 

If you don't like the rate your given, all you need to do is say, "Sorry that's not in my price range." By doing that the escort can either give you a rate they're willing to go with or the exchange ends WITHOUT ANYONE BEING OFFENDED. I don't get what's so hard about that for you to understand.

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I was really feeling on the same page as you till I started reading the comments below. You complain about bitter posters but these two comments below seem to contradict one another showing a small spark of jealousy.

 

>The circuit boys ARE ruining it for the rest of us. Because of

>them, everyone expects us to pay our own travel expenses

>upfront.

>Sorry, but if I have an extra 2k to spend on a trip just so

>that I can be in a town, where there is no guarantee that

>anyone will show up...I wouldn't even be doing this in the

>first place.

 

Perhaps I'm missing your definition of "Circuit Boys" somewhere in here but I'm going to assume you're referring to people like those that travel around the country and see clients in a touring fashion. Or the alternate definition would be like me who does the touring thing but typically in conjunction with whatever big gay party happens to be going on in a given city.

 

Like National Prides, Circuit Events are supposed to be weekends of events for the gay community to bond together. Unfortunately that has gotten wrapped up with drugs but it is possible to celebrate the two with mutual exclusivity. My experience at them is a chance to spend time with friends and immerse myself in the gay community meeting fun and interesting people.

 

Having the ability to see clients while I'm there is just a bonus. I'm not sure I dare to ask but have you been to a circuit event? One of the benefits of working as an escort is a more flexible schedule so you can travel. Think of it as good business, you have to spend money to make money.

 

I don't see that many clients per day but that's just my personal style (to be addressed below) but it's definitely possible. If you arrange one client to fly you out with a ticket home when you want then that takes care of your travel. Find a moderately priced hotel and the one incall you take that day should cover that. Even if you have to pay your own airfare you should be able to make your money back and make a profit not to mention having some fun meeting new people in a fun environment all at once.

 

>And for those of you who say you do this for the pleasure, and

>the fun and the Ect and NOT for the money are full of it. Yes,

>there is all the above included, but if that were the only

>reason why you do it, then stop charging for your time. Thats

>what I thought.

 

That's been addressed so many times over. Some can escort, some can't. If you can, why not. I don't see many people per day or even per week not because of lack of interest but because that's just my choice. I try to keep a short list of clientele and go in and out of only seeing regulars. I genuinely enjoy meeting new and interesting people, why do you find that so impossible. It's always been my theory that if you can't be good at a job you don't enjoy.

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Sorry Scotty, I've hired over 100 escorts and my comments had nothing to do with you in particular. Why think that any comments I make about rates are always about you? As for bargaining, you should know from my previous comments and even my statements here I don't. If I don't like the rate I don't hire the guy. Has the "ESCORT" in a few cases offered a lower rate? As I said yes but I did not bargain they offered. Also note my first comment about knowing posted rates. I don't ask them to lower them.

 

Don't take that anytime I chime in on a rate thread I am talking about you. Sometimes yes, but not always. Plus you seem to be doing quite well...good for you. As many guys as I have hired I do have a little experience with rates also.

 

>If you don't like the rate your given, all you need to do is >say, "Sorry that's not in my price range." By doing that the escort >can either give you a rate they're willing to go with or the >exchange ends WITHOUT ANYONE BEING OFFENDED. I don't get what's so >hard about that for you to understand.

 

I agree but that doesn't mean one should therefore not comment on a big part of this business in an open forum ...the cost

 

(PS: Also I think you mistake my use of the word problem. Re-read my comment. It is not a personal problem with the escort. It is a planning and decision problem on my part. I like to know what to expect before I contact the escort and plan accordingly. I am less likely to contact guys with listed "vary" rates than those with posted rates.)

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>I was really feeling on the same page as you till I started

>reading the comments below. You complain about bitter posters

>but these two comments below seem to contradict one another

>showing a small spark of jealousy.

>

>>The circuit boys ARE ruining it for the rest of us. Because

>of

>>them, everyone expects us to pay our own travel expenses

>>upfront.

>>Sorry, but if I have an extra 2k to spend on a trip just so

>>that I can be in a town, where there is no guarantee that

>>anyone will show up...I wouldn't even be doing this in the

>>first place.

>

>Perhaps I'm missing your definition of "Circuit Boys"

>somewhere in here but I'm going to assume you're referring to

>people like those that travel around the country and see

>clients in a touring fashion. Or the alternate definition

>would be like me who does the touring thing but typically in

>conjunction with whatever big gay party happens to be going on

>in a given city.

>

>Like National Prides, Circuit Events are supposed to be

>weekends of events for the gay community to bond together.

>Unfortunately that has gotten wrapped up with drugs but it is

>possible to celebrate the two with mutual exclusivity. My

>experience at them is a chance to spend time with friends and

>immerse myself in the gay community meeting fun and

>interesting people.

>

>Having the ability to see clients while I'm there is just a

>bonus. I'm not sure I dare to ask but have you been to a

>circuit event? One of the benefits of working as an escort is

>a more flexible schedule so you can travel. Think of it as

>good business, you have to spend money to make money.

>

>I don't see that many clients per day but that's just my

>personal style (to be addressed below) but it's definitely

>possible. If you arrange one client to fly you out with a

>ticket home when you want then that takes care of your travel.

> Find a moderately priced hotel and the one incall you take

>that day should cover that. Even if you have to pay your own

>airfare you should be able to make your money back and make a

>profit not to mention having some fun meeting new people in a

>fun environment all at once.

>

>>And for those of you who say you do this for the pleasure,

>and

>>the fun and the Ect and NOT for the money are full of it.

>Yes,

>>there is all the above included, but if that were the only

>>reason why you do it, then stop charging for your time.

>Thats

>>what I thought.

>

>That's been addressed so many times over. Some can escort,

>some can't. If you can, why not. I don't see many people per

>day or even per week not because of lack of interest but

>because that's just my choice. I try to keep a short list of

>clientele and go in and out of only seeing regulars. I

>genuinely enjoy meeting new and interesting people, why do you

>find that so impossible. It's always been my theory that if

>you can't be good at a job you don't enjoy.

 

 

 

Hey man, thanks for stating your opinion without any unnecessary BS. I both respect and appreciate it.

Now. You say you think I am bitter and jealous of the circuit boys? No, not jealous. Could I do it> Of course I could. I am confident I can do anything I put my mind too. However, I can not do that being I am in the military, and have a career there. I do this part time, and am pretty picky about who I see. But, when it gets to the point that clients expect me to front my own travel, well that is not acceptable. And the reason why is because others do it. Oh, and the comment about spending money to make money? That is just ridiculous. Its quite enough I am spending my time and body, why should I do more? The fact is, escorts should not have to do so. Its too easy to forget us escorts in this thing. Its not clients doing an escort a favor by hiring, nor is it visa versa. If I client wants to see an escort, he should pay for travel. Plain and simple. You and I shouldn't have to revert to going to towns, paying hotel, rental and flights. This idea is what is killing the escort biz.

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>Sorry Scotty, I've hired over 100 escorts and my comments had

>nothing to do with you in particular.

 

Where in my post did I indicate that I thought otherwise? I indicated that your comment dealt with an issue that I deal with on the boards quite often bargaining. As to hiring over 100 escorts, congratulations :) We should put it in your signature since you bring it up in every response. You're credible, we get it. I don't quote a client tally ;)

 

>Why think that any

>comments I make about rates are always about you? As for

>bargaining, you should know from my previous comments and even

>my statements here I don't. If I don't like the rate I don't

>hire the guy. Has the "ESCORT" in a few cases offered a lower

>rate? As I said yes but I did not bargain they offered. Also

>note my first comment about knowing posted rates. I don't ask

>them to lower them.

 

The problem lies in the fact that you are not advocating against bargaining if that's your position. You make comments saying bargaining should be fine and that it's impossible to know which escorts will be offended by the attempt. Simple solution, bargaining is rude on the part of the client. Stop advocating it and that would be a step beyond saying that you don't do it. And again, read my response ... not once did I take anything you wrote as a personal attack. Sounds like you do have a little bit of a guilty conscience though because in reality the bulk of your thread commentaries about rates have somehow had you bring me up and our misfire of an experience.

 

>Don't take that anytime I chime in on a rate thread I am

>talking about you. Sometimes yes, but not always. Plus you

>seem to be doing quite well...good for you. As many guys as I

>have hired I do have a little experience with rates also.

 

Thank you for your kudos ... and it's more mostly than sometimes ;) Look it up between MER and here, kinda weird. Other escorts who post here bring it up to me constantly asking what it was that set you off about me and I still really don't know.

 

>I agree but that doesn't mean one should therefore not comment

>on a big part of this business in an open forum ...the cost

 

Commenting on cost is one thing ... advocating bargaining is another.

 

>(PS: Also I think you mistake my use of the word problem.

>Re-read my comment. It is not a personal problem with the

>escort. It is a planning and decision problem on my part. I

>like to know what to expect before I contact the escort and

>plan accordingly. I am less likely to contact guys with listed

>"vary" rates than those with posted rates.)

 

I never read it as anything beyond a personal problem to you. I understand you're not faulting the escort personally, but in my case you took it and ran with it posting my rate for something you had specifically asked for which was uncalled for an unnecessary when it's OBVIOUS I've made a point to date of not posting my rate. Then you had the audacity to ask other's on the board how to get their "discount." Stuff like that indicates to me you have problems with varying rates that go beyond your planning phase.

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>Awe, zip...Look my friend.

 

My friend? Who's kidding who?

 

You would think with me being the

>"boy" and you the man, you would have taken the initiative and

>just stopped this whole silly thing. But its quite obvious

>that unless I just politely ignore you, you will just come

>back with your same silly, angry comments and sarcastic

>replies.

 

Then if you're so superior, how come you just had to get the last word in? Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

>You should be proud that you have "shown me"

 

With your mind set - nobody can show you anything. If it's diffreent from how you see something your only recoarse seems to be to revert to name calling. Tich tich - not too mature!

 

>Because I know and everyone else knows you will just have the

>same irritating, immature responses.

 

Now I wonder how you decided that you had been voted in as the judge of what "everyone else knows"? I have received several private e-mails that would refute that comment.

 

>You have never changed, and you will probably die the same old >bitter man you are today.

 

Shit, I hope so.

 

>Now go ahead, make some retarded childish comeback, proving me

>right.

>Its cool, ill walk away.

 

If only that were true........ praise the Lord

>

>I hope those of you who are new around here see how this

>little man works and trolls these forums. This isnt the first

>thread, nor am I the first person he instigates fights with.

>And I doubt i will be the last.

 

I would hope that "those of you who are new around here" have enough intelligence to read both of our postings and decide for themselves who is doing the fighting. It really all boils down to the fact that if someone has the audacity to disagree with your way of seeing things, and calls you on it, you can't cope and get your balls in an uproar.

 

And this bitter, little, old, troll/queen would now like to wish you a very good week in your chosen profession. Bye now.

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< But, when it gets to the point that clients expect me to front my own travel, well that is not acceptable. >

 

 

John, it sounds like you've had a specific experience(s) where a client asked you to pay for coming to see him. Is that true? If so, I can see why you'd be offended.

 

Or are you referring to clients who see escorts when the escort is travelling to the client's home town? If so, I haven't thought in terms of that being wrong, either for the client or for the escort. Maybe I've been wrong, but I do enjoy seeing certain guys who travel to San Francisco, for family, for vacations, or to see other clients like me. It wouldn't work for me to pony up a few thousand bucks to fly someone here as an exclusive date for me, since most of my hookups are in the two-three hour range, and since there are a number of local escorts I enjoy being with also.

 

I've really enjoyed seeing the guys who travel here, and have asked some of them to please let me know when they plan to be in town. I've assumed that this has worked well for the escorts too, and I'd hate to give it up. But if I'm being rude, or behaving unacceptably, please let me know. I'd sure like us all to be treated fairly! :)

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>I would hope that "those of you who are new around here" have

>enough intelligence to read both of our postings and decide

>for themselves who is doing the fighting. It really all boils

>down to the fact that if someone has the audacity to disagree

>with your way of seeing things, and calls you on it, you can't

>cope and get your balls in an uproar.

 

zip, new or old here, it doesn't take much to see you are stoking the fire. I would suggest there are tamer ways to disagree. IMO it does look 'fighting' going on. Take this for what it is...just an observation, nothing more.

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>< But, when it gets to the point that clients expect me to

>front my own travel, well that is not acceptable. >

>

>

>John, it sounds like you've had a specific experience(s) where

>a client asked you to pay for coming to see him. Is that

>true? If so, I can see why you'd be offended.

>

>Or are you referring to clients who see escorts when the

>escort is traveling to the client's home town? If so, I

>haven't thought in terms of that being wrong, either for the

>client or for the escort. Maybe I've been wrong, but I do

>enjoy seeing certain guys who travel to San Francisco, for

>family, for vacations, or to see other clients like me. It

>wouldn't work for me to pony up a few thousand bucks to fly

>someone here as an exclusive date for me, since most of my

>hookups are in the two-three hour range, and since there are a

>number of local escorts I enjoy being with also.

>

>I've really enjoyed seeing the guys who travel here, and have

>asked some of them to please let me know when they plan to be

>in town. I've assumed that this has worked well for the

>escorts too, and I'd hate to give it up. But if I'm being

>rude, or behaving unacceptably, please let me know. I'd sure

>like us all to be treated fairly! :)

 

The thats fine.

But when all of a sudden, EVERYONE expects me to pony up, and all my away appointments are gone, because now, its the expected norm for escorts to take care of their own travel expenses...well that is what I am talking about.

 

A year ago, I would travel at least once a month. The client would pick up the flight, and the rate for my time. hell, most of the time I had to convince the client to not get me my own hotel. Now, im hard pressed for a client to pay a 40$ train ticket to Philly.

 

I get the "Let me know when you are up here" responses.

 

 

I haven't traveled to see a NEW client in almost 6 months. Gee, I wonder why? :)

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