Hostile clients

[sashek]

Hi Guys,

I've noticed that several of the posters in different forums here seem to be pretty negative towards escorts, although I'm not sure why this should be, since these are transactions between consenting adults. Anyway, it made me wonder if you escorts encounter many hostile clients, and if so, do you have any idea why they react this way towards you? Thanks for the input!

Sashek

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>Anyway, it made me wonder if you

>escorts encounter many hostile clients, and if so, do you have

>any idea why they react this way towards you? Thanks for the

>input!

 

 

Pardon me for butting in but I have a comment to offer.

 

Maybe two months ago I met a particular escort for the first time. It was an incall. After a few minutes of introductory conversation he asked me "How long have you been doing this (seeing escorts) and do you do it frequently?" I answered and then I asked him why he asked. He responded that he doesn't see many guys as at ease, open, and comfortable as I seemed. He related that many don't say much beyond the minimum, don't make a lot of eye contact, and scurry out after the deed is done. Not necessarily hostile, but apparently very shy or issue ridden. Not all that surprising I guess with the married and otherwise closeted but I wonder how this plays statistically in the 'out community'. Of course the 'out comunity' is not free of issues either. FWIW

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

Psychology 101.

 

They are ashamed that they pay others for sex and it makes them feel bad about themselves. So to fix that, they make themselves feel better about themselves and superior to the escorts by trashing them.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

I've experienced some hostility here on the MC, but never on an in-person meeting~

 

Treat those as you want to be treated, right? The golden rule usually works in most situations. In hourly situations, i have experienced avoided eye-contact, brief/short conversation, etc, but can usually make things more comfortable with a smile and some chit-chat before & afterwards: Clockwatching doesn't do much for someone's ego or attitude anyways.

 

If an hour suddenly turns into two due to conversation, then so-be-it. I've never charged for more than an hour when it happens. It's just a blast to get to know a little about the guy & connect on more than just a sexual level.

 

 

Although... Nothing's EVER wrong with connecting sexually

 

 

 

Warmest Regards,

 

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[Guest ncm2169]

< I've never charged for more than an hour when it happens >

 

So, you're sayin that you don't consider an hour a hard hour? :o

 

Or, that your hour is a soft hour? x(

 

Just playin with ya dude -- hope to see ya soon! }(

[+ deej]

<<He responded that he doesn't see many guys as at ease, open, and comfortable as I seemed.>>

 

You know, just last week I was on the phone with a "popular" escort booking time for his trip to LA. We had lots of playful banter and I was already sold. Then he asked what I was interested in and I told him. Graphically, honestly, and frankly.

 

He laughed and said something very similar. And he also said he looks forward to enjoying everything on my list. ;-)

 

Good communications, before during and after, from both sides, are vital.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Ten Foot Pole

 

As much as the mischievous child in me would love to comment on the psychology of why certain individuals on this board have such hostility towards men who are otherwise strangers to them as a group, and whose only connection with them is the raison d'être of this site, I am not going to do so.

 

I agree with Mr. Nicholas, in person, I have never experienced anything less than a comfortable environment, by and large. As a number of my clients come to me from America On Line, I have certainly suffered (as many other escorts have) a number of problematic encounters, from indviduals who wants a "freebie" to individuals who feel their are entitled to comment on your on line profile, photographs or what have you. When perfect strangers have telephoned me, even in those situations they have been largely polite and considerate, at best highly curious, which I certainly believed they are entitled to be given the circumstances.

 

I also think it has a lot to do with what effort one takes to make them comfortable and what effort one takes to pre-screen.

[axebahia]

RE: Ten Foot Pole

 

>As much as the mischievous child in me would love to comment

>on the psychology of why certain individuals on this board

>have such hostility towards men who are otherwise strangers to

>them as a group, and whose only connection with them is the

>raison d'être of this site, I am not going to do so.

 

I am not sure what counts as hostility here. It does seem to me that the purpose of this site is to discuss and evaluate escorts and their business practices. I can't agree with the notion that critiquing irksome individual or collective escort business practices constitutes hostility. For my part, I have got along well with most of my escort hires over the years except for a very few who: (a) were not what they advertised; or(b) or did not do what they advertised or agreed to do beforehand.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

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[+ glutes]

RE: Irksome

 

Hostile maybe too strong a word. But I agree with Rabbi Axe that when it comes down to not getting what was advertised, or agreed upon during said session, that some comments can be directed toward the escort.

Now I use the word escort, but there are a share of hustlers out there that people need to be made aware of. As one fellow MC'r describes:

 

-Escort : one who will charm you for your money

 

-Rentboy: one who will fuck you for your money

 

-Hustler: one who will fuck you over for your money

 

Me, I don't like the last one. If you can point it out to others through pointed questions, or pure sarcastic remarks, so be it.

[woodlawn]

RE: Ten Foot Pole

 

>I am not sure what counts as hostility here.

 

For some, just about anything counts as hostility that doesn't help an escort sell his services here. The questions you've raised about Bruno Gaucho would be one example. You were repeatedly accused of trying to smear him or of being obsessed with him, weren't you? Another example would be what recently happened with Dax Miller. When he started a thread to advertise himself in the Deli section, a couple of posters looked at his web page and raised questions about some of the things on it. Miller seemed to think he shouldn't have to put up with such treatment, as I recall.

 

 

>It does seem to

>me that the purpose of this site is to discuss and evaluate

>escorts and their business practices.

 

It may seem that way to you, but you can't have failed to notice that there are people here who will heap abuse on anyone who says anything that could be construed as a criticism of their favorite escorts (or any escorts). You may remember that when Huey created a thread to complain that an escort who is popular here had sold his email address to another website, Huey cited this phenomenon as the reason why he would not publish the escort's name on the board. Why these people behave as they do, I can't tell you. Perhaps they are getting a percentage from the escort in question?

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

New World

 

>Hostile maybe too strong a word.

 

A "personal attack" is hostile.

 

But I agree with Rabbi Axe

>that when it comes down to not getting what was advertised, or

>agreed upon during said session, that some comments can be

>directed toward the escort.

 

 

I do not think anyone is disagreeing with you here. Any number of escorts have made comments on other escorts and the practices of other escorts, that have been commented on by both clients and escorts. This includes, but is not limited to the following:

 

(1) Not calling when the escort is going to be late;

(2) Taking a phone call during a client session;

(3) Not safeguarding the client's privacy; and so forth.

 

There is a world of a difference between criticism, whether valid or not, and a personal attack. The first time Donnie said I was old and, in his opinion, not attractive, that can pass for a critique, constructive or not, in the same way that praising an escorts charm, looks, intelligence, etc., can pass for a critique. When Donnie made a concerted effort to comment on and post on nearly every thread I appeared in or every thread he felt he could get away with it, it was a personal attack that bordered on stalking. I use myself as an example, and Donnie as the client example, simply because it is easier and I do not object and what Donnie did is a matter of public record of which there is no doubt, either on his part of what his intentions were or how it was received by most.

 

However, for every instance someone praises Escort X or Escort Y or Escort Z, there are the posters on here who do not limit their critique to "Escort X has rates which are high for the perceived value or what he offers" or "Escort Y is persistently late."

 

Rather than offering a critique, constructive or not, it becomes "Escort Y is persistently late because (a) he is too busy fucking his girlfriend, (b) he is lazy, or © he is on drugs."

 

Personally, I welcome any criticism and have often requested critical evaluations of both my web site and photographs, as other escorts on here have done. I have acted on some of the comments offered, as other escorts have done. I also personally do not have a problem with the personal types of attacks. For the most part, the persons who persist in these practices say more about themselves and their state of mind they do about me. They also do not harm me in any major respect either financially or psychologically.

 

> If you can point it out to

>others through pointed questions,

>or pure sarcastic remarks,

>so be it.

 

FCubed is the master of the pointed remark, such as when he "interpreted" one of Mark Daulton's reviews a year ago. These pointed remarks can be sarcastic in nature, but they are primarily educational and informative.

 

Personal attracks are neither educational nor are they informative, as to the escort; simply informative as to the state of mind of the poster, especially when (as is largely the case), the posters have never met nor communciated directly in an escort/client relationship with the escort in question.

[axebahia]

RE: New World

 

>There is a world of a difference between criticism, whether

>valid or not, and a personal attack. The first time Donnie

>said I was old and, in his opinion, not attractive, that can

>pass for a critique, constructive or not, in the same way that

>praising an escorts charm, looks, intelligence, etc., can pass

>for a critique. When Donnie made a concerted effort to comment

>on and post on nearly every thread I appeared in or every

>thread he felt he could get away with it, it was a personal

>attack that bordered on stalking.

 

If an escort has bad hygene, is saying so repeatedly a "hostile" personal attack, or is it a repeating a fact? If an escort is short or old as a matter of fact, is saying so a hostile personal attack? I don't think so. In both cases, I think they are fair comment on a service-provider and the services that he provides.