Program Boys in Brazil & Corona

[orville]

I think it’s funny how so many of those from the western world, travel to second and third world nations, exploiting economically disadvantaged men for sex, and then have the unmitigated audacity to be offended at their lack of “grattitude”. ?‍♂️

 

Many of these guys save you from having to empty your pockets for $500 per hour escorts in your own countries, and allow you to treat them like disposable orifices and phallics for your sheer cheap enjoyment.

 

So if some Brazillian guys doesn’t say “Thank You”, then so what?

 

You should actually be “Thanking ” him anyways....

I partially disagree. These boys are in disadvantage yes, but they aren't 'exploited'. There's a MUTUAL agreement. Worst case one could say they're 'using' the clients, and viceversa. Rates are lower there yes, but we can't accept scams under cultural (or any) circumstances. For the record: Brazilians in general ARE thankful, these guys were just scammers. There was undue trust, money was lost, boys will be boys. But more importantly, please STOP ... fighting ... over men ... you haven't ... fucked. Only women do that, Yuck! ?

Edited April 18, 2020 by orville

[Walker1]

Apart from the hurt feelings , you got away lightly for just 150 bucks. I was reading an article about someone who was scammed 10s of thousands by one the women he met on those mail order bride companies.

[sydneyboy]

Apart from the hurt feelings , you got away lightly for just 150 bucks. I was reading an article about someone who was scammed 10s of thousands by one the women he met on those mail order bride companies.

There was a Supreme Court case in Sydney nearly 10 years ago where it came to light that a recently divorced doctor, a specialist, met a woman through an introduction agency. He paid $200,000 to the agency and spent a weekend with the woman and fell instantly in love . She told him she had to leave the country urgently but would return. Then came the sob story requests for money for every conceivable reason. The bottom line was that he paid a total of $3.1 million over an 18 months period. As it transpired he was the only client of the agency and this woman was the only one on offer. It was a conspiracy between the woman and the owner to rip off the doctor. They purchased property, a Porsche, a Lamborghini, BMW. You name it. The doctor was left bankrupt and sued for his money back. The judge hearing the case opened his written judgement with the words ''The case was so fantastic as to strain credulity.'' He directed that all the money paid by the doctor be repaid to his bankruptcy estate except the original $200,000.

What people will do or pay for ''love.''

Edited April 18, 2020 by sydneyboy

[Monarchy79]

I partially disagree. They are in disadvantage yes, but they aren't 'exploited'. There's a MUTUAL agreement. Worst case one could say they're 'using' each other. Rates are lower there yes, but we can't accept scams under cultural (or any) circumstances. There was undue trust, money was lost, boys will be boys. But more importantly, please STOP ... fighting ... over men ... you haven't fucked. Only women do that, Yuck! ?

 

No one’s “fighting”, over anyone. We’re stating our opinions, which you just did too.

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have an awesome weekend!!!

[solacesoul]

I think some of this is cultural. If a young macho guy there is offered a favour (eg cigarette, share of a pizza slice) from a friend I would not be surprised not witnessing a verbal expression of gratitude. The gratitude may be connective, the acknowledgement of a bond that exempts the formality, and the implicit intention of the receiver to wish the giver well.

 

I get what you might be trying to convey here, but it is not really an accurate depiction of how modern young brasileiros interact with and respond to each other and others they are familiar with. Also, it comes across as a distant academic assessment from someone who hasn’t spent much time interacting with or observing BrazilIan men in their own element (i.e., away from turistas and gringos, and not in a hotel room or a suite in a sauna).

 

They do say “thank you” to other BrazilIans and others whom they are socially familiar with ALL THE TIME. To suggest that young brasileiros do not commonly say “thank you” is “cultural” would be straight-up offensive to BrazilIans and is veering into xenophobia territory — in addition to it just being a false observation / conclusion.

 

Casual tourists and non-locals wouldn’t be expected to know this, but modern brasileiros don’t often use “obrigado” with each other. They use “valeu” or the often shortened sound of “bri-ga “ which is shortened from “brigado” which was shortened from “obrigado” (the “verbal” thanks that you post about in your cigarette or pizza slice “favour” example above). And on the “connective” side that you also bring up, they have handshakes (which vary by region) that they only do with those brasileiros with whom they are already familiar and friendly —- not very likely to be an older sauna tourist client who is not a regular conversationalist in BrazilIan Portuguese and not “in the mix”.

 

I also have to add here that although these are things you may hear, see, or pick up on, they are very casual and informal between familiar brasileiros — and as an outsider, you (yes, that means you, reader) should never be so presumptuous or familiar to say or do them with other brasileiros.

 

I’m not trying to be mean or troll you here, just being direct, hoping that readers will better understand this than academic treatises.

Edited April 19, 2020 by solacesoul

[+ Pensant]

Awwww, poor generous soul. Indeed, you and your friends should stay away from Brazil.

Gladly!

[Deadlift1]

Boy those last posts were better than an ambien. Click zzzzz

[Deadlift1]

Let's start a finishing school in the favelas!

[orville]

I should also point out that the research is not observational but is based on self-reports of Brazilian youth regarding rates of preferred modes of expressing gratitude for having a wish met. One limitation of this is the possible disconnect between what they deem to best fit the situation and what they might do in actuality based on perception of what comportment dictates.

Interesting! Care to share the link or reference to that National Study that allows you to make generalizations about an entire country? Many thanks in advance...

[+ Tarte Gogo]

Interesting! Care to share the link or reference to that National Study that allows you to make generalizations about an entire country? Many thanks in advance...

Just being pedantic here, apologies in advance: A proper study would do averages, not generalizations.

Averages in the number of instances of a particular behavior can be calculated.

(For e.g. of the result of a study could be: in one country the phrase "You're welcome" is used on average 22 times per day as observed on a the group that is being studied, whereas "De nada" was used 8 times per day on average as observed on another group of a similar age and social status in another country).

And when those averages are different from one country to another that is interesting to know, and it can, sometimes, explain misunderstandings between 2 nationals of different countries.

You can do cultural studies by just stating facts and reporting what you find. You don't have to make "generalizations".

[+ newatthis]

...more unique...

Not possible.

[+ newatthis]

Right you are, also applies to ‘eunuch’.

[orville]

Just being pedantic here, apologies in advance: A proper study would do averages, not generalizations.

 

Apologies accepted for being pedantic and not knowing that a proper study would include statistical averages as part of the results but also conclusions in form of statements that I purposely called "generalizations". But of course I do not expect any references to the nonexistent study.

 

Averages in the number of instances of a particular behavior can be calculated.

 

Yes, but the numbers themselves can't tell any story to the people not familiar with statistics or the field of study. That's why we have results interpretation to find the insights that would explain said behaviour.

 

(For e.g. of the result of a study could be: in one country the phrase "You're welcome" is used on average 22 times per day as observed on a the group that is being studied, whereas "De nada" was used 8 times per day on average as observed on another group of a similar age and social status in another country).

And when those averages are different from one country to another that is interesting to know, and it can, sometimes, explain misunderstandings between 2 nationals of different countries.

 

I forgive you for completely missing the point about my expression "National Study that allows you to make generalizations about an entire country" because that would be complete non-sense. Brazil is a nation of 213 Million, just as big as the US, with massive economic and social inequalities across the entire population. Even if possible to be calculated, anyone saying that national averages could be used to describe every single element of a diverse universe of 213 million is just delusional.

 

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You can do cultural studies by just stating facts and reporting what you find. You don't have to make "generalizations".

 

Yes, generalizations don't apply. And no, you can't do a cultural study by just reporting and stating facts. It's not Accounting, it's Human / Social Sciences (reference in my comment above).

 

TO CLOSE: Insinuating ( as some have, at the beginning of this thread ) that all Brazilians have an ungrateful culture is misguided and falls into xenophobia and racism, so please stop it.

Edited April 22, 2020 by orville

[orville]

Got me ... the research papers related to gratitude expressivity customs in Brazil and elsewhere do not exist, and I have never peer-review published on help-seeking dynamics.

I am prepared to make generalizations about cross-national rates of rudeness and alpha fails, but it would not be particularly useful.

Thanks for admitting there is no such study and you are prejudiced and making xenophobic, probably also racist, remarks. And be prepared to make not even a single generalization. You are not allowed to make any malicious remarks targeting any nationality here.

Edited April 22, 2020 by orville

[+ José Soplanucas]

Thanks for admitting there is no such study and you are prejudiced and making xenophobic, probably also racist, remarks. And be prepared to make not even a single generalization. You are not allowed to make any malicious remarks targeting any nationality here.

 

Perhaps saying that we are not allowed to make racist or xenophobic (or tribalist, or ignorant, or etc.) remarks is going a little too far. If the racists and xenophobic contributors feel afraid of breaking the forums rules, they may not share their sincere opinions. I like everyone to be honest, so we know who we are.

[sydneyboy]

Perhaps saying that we are not allowed to make racist or xenophobic (or tribalist, or ignorant, or etc.) remarks is going a little too far. If the racists and xenophobic contributors feel afraid of breaking the forums rules, they may not share their sincere opinions. I like everyone to be honest, so we know who we are.

I despair of people who hold racist, xenophobic views. In a thoroughly perverse way you are right. They are being “honest” in their own obnoxious way. Whether an excellent site such as this where very diverse topics and issues are raised in by and large an intelligent and constructive manner is the right forum for such people is another matter.

[+ Tarte Gogo]

I was not making a generalization about Brazil, nor were observational questionnaire researchers doing so particularly, and I have no need to defend what I took from the bit of reading I did.

 

I was using the generic you, not targeting any of you in particular.

I thought it was obvious.

 

but also conclusions in form of statements that I purposely called "generalizations".

 

That would actually be considered bad science. Better let the facts which you found speak for themselves.

The conclusion should be a summary of your findings, do not interpret them, since your cultural background will bias any interpretation.

I am not saying there is no bad science out there, I am just saying those scientists who make any sort of generalization provide less value.

 

Even if possible to be calculated, anyone saying that national averages could be used to describe every single element of a diverse universe of 213 million is just delusional.

 

Who said that national averages could be used to describe every single element of a diverse universe of 213 million? Only morons, surely.

Averages are averages, they don't "describe every single element", even when there are only 2 non-identical elements, or when there are trillions of them.

 

For the record, I really don't think saying "thank you" is more or less common on average in Brasil than elsewhere, I don't know. I was just making a general point on how one could study these things without making "generalizations to an entire country". One can just do so some fact finding, and make sure it is replicable. Only if it can be reliably replicated then its findings have any real value. A single, un-replicated, study is very low on my interest list, unlikely not to be skewed by the study group or the method of data gathering etc. etc.

[+ Tarte Gogo]

I was not making a generalization about Brazil, nor were observational questionnaire researchers doing so particularly, and I have no need to defend what I took from the bit of reading I did.

 

I was using the generic you, not targeting any of you in particular.

I thought it was obvious.

 

but also conclusions in form of statements that I purposely called "generalizations".

 

That would actually be considered bad science. Better let the facts which you found speak for themselves.

The conclusion should be a summary of your findings, do not interpret them, since your cultural background will bias any interpretation.

I am not saying there is no bad science out there, I am just saying those scientists who make any sort of generalization provide less value.

 

Even if possible to be calculated, anyone saying that national averages could be used to describe every single element of a diverse universe of 213 million is just delusional.

 

Who said that national averages could be used to describe every single element of a diverse universe of 213 million? Only morons, surely.

Averages are averages, they don't "describe every single element", even when there are only 2 non-identical elements, or when there are trillions of them.

 

For the record, I really don't think saying "thank you" is more or less common on average in Brasil than elsewhere, I don't know. I was just making a general point on how one could study these things without making "generalizations to an entire country". One can just do so some fact finding, and make sure it is replicable. Only if it can be reliably replicated then its findings have any real value. A single, un-replicated, study is very low on my interest list, unlikely not to be skewed by the study group or the method of data gathering etc. etc.

[marylander1940]

Hello everyone,

 

Like many of you I have shared good experiences and bad ones on this site.

 

Well here is one not so good. With the Saunas closed in Brazil many guys texted me daily crying and asking for money because they have no work. You would not believe some of the very sad tales they told me. For about a week I would receive from 5 to 10 texts per day, per boy, asking for money. Some even sent nude photos and videos of them jerking and cumming. And the stories were tear jerkers

 

Finally three days ago I gave in and sent $150 to six differeny boys. To say the least, I have not heard from any of them again and only one texted thank you. How sad.

 

For years I knew these guys did not really give a damn about us, they only want the money. And as the expression goes: "no good deed goes unpunished". So true so true.

 

Just venting my disappointment and frustration with the program guys. Years ago my Brazilian friend said be careful with these guys and leave the love inside the sauna. They know older foreigners are easy targets for swindling money from them. But this is an all time low, even for them

 

I've heard of similar stories from American escorts in "normal ttimes" who somehow are always needing extra money.

[marylander1940]

Thanks for admitting there is no such study and you are prejudiced and making xenophobic, probably also racist, remarks. And be prepared to make not even a single generalization. You are not allowed to make any malicious remarks targeting any nationality here.

 

That would go against freedom of expression. I have made negative generalizations about rednecks on here for example and I'm proud to keep on calling them out because they talk about conservative values yet they never practice them in order to go ahead in life. Sorry for bringing politics...

 

Perhaps saying that we are not allowed to make racist or xenophobic (or tribalist, or ignorant, or etc.) remarks is going a little too far. If the racists and xenophobic contributors feel afraid of breaking the forums rules, they may not share their sincere opinions. I like everyone to be honest, so we know who we are.

 

Folks like that might be honest as pointed by @sydneyboy but I doubt they'll have the courage to say something like that to in person to folks who might disagree with them.

 

How honest can we be if we're hiding behind the laptop.

[orville]

That would go against freedom of expression. I have made negative generalizations about rednecks on here for example and I'm proud to keep on calling them out because they talk about conservative values yet they never practice them in order to go ahead in life. Sorry for bringing politics...

Wow that's really bad and a shame that racism and xenophobia can be allowed in this forum when disguised as freedom of speech. I think there is a difference when you criticize rednecks, which is a subset of a population, vs making negative remarks about the culture of an entire nation or ethnic group but more reproachable doing it with no concrete proof or basis at all, rather making up fictional studies to validate such hateful lies.

[Wolfer]

Hello everyone,

 

Like many of you I have shared good experiences and bad ones on this site.

 

Well here is one not so good. With the Saunas closed in Brazil many guys texted me daily crying and asking for money because they have no work. You would not believe some of the very sad tales they told me. For about a week I would receive from 5 to 10 texts per day, per boy, asking for money. Some even sent nude photos and videos of them jerking and cumming. And the stories were tear jerkers

 

Finally three days ago I gave in and sent $150 to six differeny boys. To say the least, I have not heard from any of them again and only one texted thank you. How sad.

 

For years I knew these guys did not really give a damn about us, they only want the money. And as the expression goes: "no good deed goes unpunished". So true so true.

 

Just venting my disappointment and frustration with the program guys. Years ago my Brazilian friend said be careful with these guys and leave the love inside the sauna. They know older foreigners are easy targets for swindling money from them. But this is an all time low, even for them

Yeah, sorry this happened to you. While we know full well what the arrangement is generally, it is still nice if they can at least express gratitude. Apart from that, not expressing gratitude is just not a very good long-term strategy on their part when swindling. Because obviously you won't help them out anymore after that, whereas if they'd expressed gratitude and maybe a small update on how your money helped them you might have sent them more money.

 

But these boys know how to charm... I'm chatting with a cute, cute, cute 20-something guy who's living in Bogota and I haven't spent any cash on him yet but boy do I feel myself edging closer every time we talk. I know he's only there to eventually get me to open up my wallet but it's so addictive to just give into the fantasy.

 

Please send help, hahaha.

[Mustang]

Brazil or anywhere,

with or without corona,

I would only hand some dollas ova',

after the cock's been already inside of me.

 

Man, this is an awful haiku. Total lost track of the syllable count there! ?

[+ Lucky]

How honest can we be if we're hiding behind the laptop.

Are you asking that of yourself?

[marylander1940]

Are you asking that of yourself?

 

quote my full post.

 

Didn't I tell you click on ⬆ yesterday?

 

 

That would go against freedom of expression. I have made negative generalizations about rednecks on here for example and I'm proud to keep on calling them out because they talk about conservative values yet they never practice them in order to go ahead in life. Sorry for bringing politics...

 

 

 

Folks like that might be honest as pointed by @sydneyboy but I doubt they'll have the courage to say something like that to in person to folks who might disagree with them.

 

How honest can we be if we're hiding behind the laptop.