Time is money - Providers and Clients need to respect Time.

[+ Keith30309]

I’ve been asked for deposits a couple of times and passed. I don’t like them for a couple of reasons: the loss of privacy incurred with some electronic money transfer channels and the potential of being scammed. It means I’ve missed the opportunity to meet two guys I wanted too. I consider that a lose/lose.

 

Everyone makes their choices on this topic... and on sending face pics... and on requiring condoms for one or both roles... and on PnP.... etc.

 

One perspective is that the potential cost of an provider’s wasted time is greater than the potential cost of a client’s loss of privacy and fraud. I’m pretty flexible and will do many things to make a meeting happen but that rationale doesn’t work for me.

 

So, I’ve decided that I’m ok with being unable to meet deposit-requiring guys. No hard feelings and I wish them the greatest success.

 

[Edit: Do these guys require deposits -> https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/beware-nashville-louisville-cincinnati-indianapolis.151565/ ]

Edited August 22, 2019 by Keith30309

[DDad4ynger]

You’re the only person who requiring a deposit is gonna hurt.

If texting is so much work for you, work at Starbucks or something

 

Flakes are a part of the biz. Quit being so entitled

A bit hostile I would say. I think this is a tough problem for guys in your business. Maybe a little discussion and putting some “heads” together could shed some light or new ideas. Hmmm just a thought.

[SirBillybob]

Sorry if this idea is already presented in previous threads, Daniel84. I am sure some members will happily shoot it down. LOL

 

"Earnest payment" cannot be easily applied to a biz on the fringes of legality, and there would need to be a middleman for escrow, default, or refund contingencies. The central problem is dishonesty either side.

 

One idea is to summarize your take on the earnest deposit idea and simply ask prospective clients what their attitude is, irrespective of whether they have or agree to a remittance mechanism. It has a long history you can reference and you need not highlight badass clients as if you are projecting a new client falls into the scumbag category.

 

More tantric, less tantrum.

 

His response may provide an additional screening tool for you. Many services require an intentional downpayment to commit. Jackasses balk.

 

I just bought an OnlyFans one-month privilege for a local dancer's account access. It occurs to me that you can open a provider account yourself. The content can corroborate your legitimacy and need not allude to much beyond Tx massage, in case a client worries about his digital footprints.

 

Obviously, you would set the single-month opening payment higher and at a level commensurate with your

session rate. You don't have to invoice. He remits on OnlyFans and it is secure. I think there is a way to work out how you identify the payer as the particular client. Perhaps he msgs you thru the site? I don't have time to look it up.

 

This, of course, would apply to initial appointment. He then cancels the following month charge. I realize subsequent ones would likely not synch with consecutive monthly payments.

Edited August 24, 2019 by SirBIllybob

[SirBillybob]

You could even for handle use: EarnestPenny, ArlesPenny, God'sSilver, ArgentumDei, KingsShilling, EscrowEgg, the list goes on. Just make it a fair-and-square deposit agenda. By fair, I don't mean Renaissance Fair, though the labels evoke that theme, My Lord.

 

And of course acknowledge your receipt ASAP to alleviate his anxiety.

[SirBillybob]

Not MadMochachino ... couldn't resist. ?

[Daniel84]

Going forward massage client appointments will always take priority. If the Ec client doesn’t communicate or confirm the day of I’ll book someone else. I am just used to when a client wants a appointment they book and show up. I am still new to EC style of services anyway.

[+ OliverSaks]

It isn’t really a tough problem.

A tough problem is feeding a family of 4 on a minimum wage job.

 

Have some perspective AND frame flakes as a part of the biz -

 

It’s tiresome to hear provider’s acting like some (basically) crank calls are so devastating. It can be annoying, but there are signals to learn to avoid wild goose chases (@Kevin Slater has given plenty of useful guidance over the years, for instance)

 

A bit hostile I would say. I think this is a tough problem for guys in your business. Maybe a little discussion and putting some “heads” together could shed some light or new ideas. Hmmm just a thought.

[MrMattBig]

You’re the only person who requiring a deposit is gonna hurt.

If texting is so much work for you, work at Starbucks or something

 

Flakes are a part of the biz. Quit being so entitled

Tad bit harsh. All complaints are are problems without a path to a solution. Provide a path to solution, and a complaint becomes a obstacle in the rear view mirror.

 

Today I had a two hour meeting that has been confirmed for about a week with constant communication not even show up. I am now changing my business if you want to book a EC type of service I require a deposit. I am sorry for the inconvenience this will cause some but I am done having people waste my time.

 

I get it; in the heat of the moment and constant urge for instance gratification clients book and have intentions to show up. Then the idea of hiring someone disappears and decide not to be man enough to cancel.

 

My escort service Business will probably take a hit in income as I require a deposit for all new clients but this was just one of the fires in the kitchen. I would rather make less money and have people who are serious then have clients waste my time.

 

rant over lol

If you are a masseur, it might be best to stick to that, unless you have the patience and thick skin to navigate the escort world. In all sex work, some are better suited for whatever the know and do best. Whether it be massage, dancing/stripping, webcamming, or escorting. One of the reasons I don't dance or webcam, I get timid and self conscience with large groups watching me. I acknowledge what I am best at.

 

Now if you want to escort, indentifying red flags is important. From what you have stated, constant communication after the appointment was set was the red flag. If it's a week out, there should only be a short back and forth about 2 days out, and then the day of when it should be the period of getting ready and travel time.

 

Example of more red flags:

I am traveling to Boston September 14th for one day. I had some contact today inquiring for that day.

 

Semi-redflag #1: WhatsApp contact instead of sms text. He is from the US and using a US number, and I have had experiences before where others have switched from sms to Whatsapp just to know if I have read their messages. (And it turns out he went out of his way to turn his read receipts off)

 

Semi-redflag #2: Actively asking if I am in Boston currently. My location is marked as in Las Vegas and my travel locations are clearly layed out and labeled, which means he didn't take any time to read anything about my ad.

 

Semi-redflag #3: Says he wants to "meet me so badly". Yet does not take anytime to read anything about my ad and proceeds to ask me questions that are answered in my ad copy (top or bottom)(contradicts wanting to meet someone but no desire to learn anything about them) in addition to when I am available.

 

Semi-redflag #4 : When he asked what time works for me, this was after I had asked him first if he has any idea what his availability would look like on that day. If he doesn't know yet he could have said so, but to counter a question with a question asking them same thing is never a good sign.

 

Semi-redflag #5: Asking to share more pics, when I have pics on my ad. If he is concerned with them being real, he could say so, but to ask for more without voicing that concern is never a good sign.

 

Semi-redflag #6: Again asks questions that can be answered from my ad, and further from the website that I put in my headline. He then says to say it doesn't say anything about a certain question (safe/bb), to which I reply it is in the rentmen provided description, as well as the answers to his questions are in my ad, as well as my website that is in the headline. He responded with a thumbs up.

 

During this back and forth we set a date and time.

But I am 20% confident he will come through. I am still going to keep that time open for him. I usually keep at least 2 hours between the end of one appointment and the start of the next, so because of my lack of assurance he will come through, I would probably shorten that window for other appointments if need be. And if he doesn't show like I expect, it's something I am mentally prepared for.

[Trick]

@MrMattBig, I admit I’m guilty of asking for information that is already on the ad. Unlike your ad, there are many others which provide very little or ambiguous information hence the need for a back and forth between the providers and the clients. I have suggested that providers draft an FAQ text message that can be sent when clients begin asking questions.

 

The FAQ in your website gives clear answers. If I were in your area and I wanted to book with you, I’m sure the text exchange will be very short.

[+ Keith30309]

Tad bit harsh. All complaints are are problems without a path to a solution. Provide a path to solution, and a complaint becomes a obstacle in the rear view mirror.

 

 

If you are a masseur, it might be best to stick to that, unless you have the patience and thick skin to navigate the escort world. In all sex work, some are better suited for whatever the know and do best. Whether it be massage, dancing/stripping, webcamming, or escorting. One of the reasons I don't dance or webcam, I get timid and self conscience with large groups watching me. I acknowledge what I am best at.

 

Now if you want to escort, indentifying red flags is important. From what you have stated, constant communication after the appointment was set was the red flag. If it's a week out, there should only be a short back and forth about 2 days out, and then the day of when it should be the period of getting ready and travel time.

 

Example of more red flags:

I am traveling to Boston September 14th for one day. I had some contact today inquiring for that day.

 

Semi-redflag #1: WhatsApp contact instead of sms text. He is from the US and using a US number, and I have had experiences before where others have switched from sms to Whatsapp just to know if I have read their messages. (And it turns out he went out of his way to turn his read receipts off)

 

Semi-redflag #2: Actively asking if I am in Boston currently. My location is marked as in Las Vegas and my travel locations are clearly layed out and labeled, which means he didn't take any time to read anything about my ad.

 

Semi-redflag #3: Says he wants to "meet me so badly". Yet does not take anytime to read anything about my ad and proceeds to ask me questions that are answered in my ad copy (top or bottom)(contradicts wanting to meet someone but no desire to learn anything about them) in addition to when I am available.

 

Semi-redflag #4 : When he asked what time works for me, this was after I had asked him first if he has any idea what his availability would look like on that day. If he doesn't know yet he could have said so, but to counter a question with a question asking them same thing is never a good sign.

 

Semi-redflag #5: Asking to share more pics, when I have pics on my ad. If he is concerned with them being real, he could say so, but to ask for more without voicing that concern is never a good sign.

 

Semi-redflag #6: Again asks questions that can be answered from my ad, and further from the website that I put in my headline. He then says to say it doesn't say anything about a certain question (safe/bb), to which I reply it is in the rentmen provided description, as well as the answers to his questions are in my ad, as well as my website that is in the headline. He responded with a thumbs up.

 

During this back and forth we set a date and time.

But I am 20% confident he will come through. I am still going to keep that time open for him. I usually keep at least 2 hours between the end of one appointment and the start of the next, so because of my lack of assurance he will come through, I would probably shorten that window for other appointments if need be. And if he doesn't show like I expect, it's something I am mentally prepared for.

Great examples.

They all go to a client 1) already having a plan to meet rather than casual interest in someone, and, 2) understanding what is in the profile to see if it matches his interests... again back to being serious about meeting.

 

I sometimes wonder what would happen if all photos were removed from profiles and companions had to write thorough profiles and clients had to read them. I think people see a picture and go “Oh... that’s hot. I want him” but fail to connect the dots in making a plan to meet.