Time is money - Providers and Clients need to respect Time.

[+ azdr0710]

I’ve been thinking of a possible solution this problem of flakey clients. What if the provider made some kind of a waiting list, especially for first time clients. Say he books Client Number 1 for 7pm. Then if Client Number 2 also wants to book that time, he will be told that he is on a waiting list and he will be notified if his booking goes through. Several clients can be on the waiting list so the provider can have a safety net against flakes.

 

thanks very much for trying to come up with a practical plan, but I don't want to be called at 7:08pm that my 7pm tentative meeting is now a "go".....

 

there just isn't a fail-proof solution to this dilemma that many providers face......I wish there was, of course........

 

the only answer I can think of is to develop enough regulars that a provider doesn't even need to advertise for new (potentially flaky) clients......a provider announces to his regulars that he'll be traveling to a city and the clients come a runnin'.......there are a few providers who have this luxury........

Edited August 1, 2019 by azdr0710

[MiamiLooker]

I’ve been thinking of a possible solution this problem of flakey clients. What if the provider made some kind of a waiting list, especially for first time clients. Say he books Client Number 1 for 7pm. Then if Client Number 2 also wants to book that time, he will be told that he is on a waiting list and he will be notified if his booking goes through.

Then client #2 confirms with another escort for 7 pm and escort #1 accuses him of being a flake...

[Trick]

thanks very much for trying to come up with a practical plan, but I don't want to be called at 7:08pm that my 7pm tentative meeting is now a "go".....

 

It’s a stretch, I know. But if a client really wants to meet a provider, waiting up to an even an hour is doable. As for the provider, if Client Number 1 starts to show signs of flaking before the booked time, he can consider it canceled. He can contact the first client on the waiting list when this happens.

 

I’m making it clear that this is only for first time bookings. Once the client has established his trustworthiness, he will have bookings set it stone.

 

As a client, I do this all the time. I tell fully booked providers that they can call me last minute if their bookings fall through. As a bottom, it sucks that I have to clean up for this then not get the booking but it’s just the price of having this hobby.

[Trick]

Then client #2 confirms with another escort for 7 pm and escort #1 accuses him of being a flake...

 

Time to call Client Number 3

[Trick]

This solution involving a waiting list has many moving parts but I believe it can still work.

 

From the client’s side, he should be willing to be on a waiting list and he FULLY understands how waiting lists work. I’m one of those clients

 

From the escort’s side, he should be organized enough to work on the waiting list and keep the lines of communication open with clients on it.

[Daniel84]

I always give clients a second chance unless they ghost or flake. If a client is a no show and they try to book again they have to prepay. Some of them do but most don’t. Just like a eye doctor or doctors office if you no show or cancel without proper notice they charge a fee. When it comes to EC clients I will only see 2-4 clients a week. If I am not in the headspace I won’t book any clients as my Massage business keeps me very busy as well as managing a photo studio.

[Daniel84]

Besides some negativity on this thread overall I appreciate the open dialog and points of views of many of the members.

 

Thank you

[Trick]

 

 

Just like a eye doctor or doctors office if you no show or cancel without proper notice they charge a fee.

 

 

 

 

How can an escort even implement this? Do you have the client’s payment info where you can charge him? How do you pursue him? Chances are he is using a pseudonym and a burner phone or a VOIP app.

[Daniel84]

How can an escort even implement this? Do you have the client’s payment info where you can charge him? How do you pursue him? Chances are he is using a pseudonym and a burner phone or a VOIP app.

 

 

When they try to rebook I inform them that I require a deposit.

[hypothetically]

I’ve been thinking of a possible solution this problem of flakey clients. What if the provider made some kind of a waiting list, especially for first time clients. Say he books Client Number 1 for 7pm. Then if Client Number 2 also wants to book that time, he will be told that he is on a waiting list and he will be notified if his booking goes through. Several clients can be on the waiting list so the provider can have a safety net against flakes.

 

Ambitious.

[Trick]

Ambitious.

I know

[SirBillybob]

These extended threads speak to innate traits that are both evolutionary and environmentally influenced. There is considerable interest in whether humans operate figuratively from a "selfish" gene versus a "cooperative" gene. Some argue that selfishness emerged much later in human evolutionary history when survival became more based on competition for resources. I think we recognize the human capacity to oscillate between the two positions.

Back to the present. There is research that explores the tension between cooperation and self-interest, along the lines of rapid intuitive instinct versus more methodical rational reflection? Do we cooperate when we overcome our intuitive selfishness with rational self-control, or do we react selfishly when we override our intuitive cooperative impulses with rational self-interest. Substantial evidence suggests the latter.

I already commented a while back on clients' tendencies to ruminate about the personal costs about a planned purchase during the lag time between product order and purchase confirmation. Stop-loss, gain/lose utility inequality, etc.

A hair or doctor's appointment is based on a transient but stable need. Sexual desire is finicky, transitory, and unstable, with peaks and valleys largely dependent on the response cycle, orgasmic release and refractory periods where horniness is subdued.

A time-specific peak in desire is the impetus for booking. It is urgent, primordial, idealizes the provider (perhaps to a borderline delusional degree), and intuitively cooperative. Ideally (for escorts) yet impractical, the transaction would occur immediately. Paradoxically, the inherent self-interest spurred by desire is briefly set aside in the apparent decision to pay.

In contrast, for many of us a manicure or chiropractic appointment is not as spontaneously intuitive. The need or problem has constancy up to the time of the service. Perhaps the same can be said for massage parlours and strip clubs offering release. They are not so much on a schedule and can better 'catch & release' (tee-hee) according to the immediacy of walk-ins' desire.

All clients, then, must overcome the secondary overthinking that emerges from shifts in sexual tension. Human sexual nature also realistically means an unwillingness to defer orgasm much beyond the excitation peak that prompted an appointment in the first place. Your client, in other words, often pursues release in the interim. There is little prediction and control over where the allotted booked time falls within the client's sexual response cycle.

Honestly, I know myself, and that I will only part with money for sex as a very temporary lapse in rational judgement. That is why I have cultivated the discipline of tolerating the elevation of sexual desire/tension until the time of the appointment, or more typically get off in a strip club.

These cancellation and no-show problems are clearly an artefact of the business. A therapist, for example, might spend an hour exploring ambivalence with the client, but that is a very different scenario.

I think it is likely difficult to predict ahead of time the lapse in enthusiasm that a new client may demonstrate over time. Booking itself, for some, is a very unique and ephemeral state of consciousness. What I think escorts are unfortunately impelled to do is take regular barometric readings that run up and down, and then experience surprise and disappointment regarding the abrupt about-face that may occur despite valiant attempts to maintain the client's peak desire through social connection, bridging and so on.

Personally, if I had to escort, in a parallel universe, and client volume was far from overwhelming me, I would try to find a practical way to strategize to intersect predominantly at peak sexual tension. This would likely involve high levels of flexibility and perhaps a paradigm shift in price-points and session lengths. No clear easy answer. Lucky for me I don't have to test my ideas.

[mike carey]

Ambitious

This made me think of Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister who would say, 'Courageous decision, Minister', which was code for, 'Are you mad?' (I'm not suggesting that you said ambitious to mean crazy.)

[hypothetically]

This made me think of Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister who would say, 'Courageous decision, Minister', which was code for, 'Are you mad?' (I'm not suggesting that you said ambitious to mean crazy.)

 

Same tone

[jjkrkwood]

I don't know WHY these types of subjects always get "overthought" ? It's simple courtesy. Just exercise it, and remember NOT everything is always about YOU !

 

[hypothetically]

It's simple courtesy. Just exercise it

 

...it’s such a difficult concept for some to grasp, unfortunately

[Trick]

...it’s such a difficult concept for some to grasp, unfortunately

 

I concur

[Daniel84]

Today I had a two hour meeting that has been confirmed for about a week with constant communication not even show up. I am now changing my business if you want to book a EC type of service I require a deposit. I am sorry for the inconvenience this will cause some but I am done having people waste my time.

 

I get it; in the heat of the moment and constant urge for instance gratification clients book and have intentions to show up. Then the idea of hiring someone disappears and decide not to be man enough to cancel.

 

My escort service Business will probably take a hit in income as I require a deposit for all new clients but this was just one of the fires in the kitchen. I would rather make less money and have people who are serious then have clients waste my time.

 

rant over lol

[+ OliverSaks]

You’re the only person who requiring a deposit is gonna hurt.

If texting is so much work for you, work at Starbucks or something

 

Flakes are a part of the biz. Quit being so entitled

[Daniel84]

You’re the only person who requiring a deposit is gonna hurt.

If texting is so much work for you, work at Starbucks or something

 

Flakes are a part of the biz. Quit being so entitled

 

Actually there’s tons of guys requiring a deposit. It has nothing to do about texting ; My gripe is a appointment is confirmed then a client doesn’t show up or even communicate they have to cancel. Thank you for your advice on getting a job at Starbucks I heard they have a great discount ?

 

I don’t require a deposit for my massage services but for escort services I do as escort clients tend to be more flaky and have a track record of not showing up for me and every other escort that I know.

 

not sure if you’re a client or not but if you didn’t wanna pay a deposit then I’m not the right guy for you it’s simple as that.

[DevDaddy]

Quit being so entitled

Its not entitlement, it’s a solution to a much larger issue of people lacking communication skills. If you have the funds for the encounter the deposit should be of no issue, especially if the deposit is a relatively small amount. It shows a true intention of meeting and should something upend the encounter on the side of the provider it would be easy to refund. Should the person cancel themselves then it is not a complete loss. We understand that people are busy and life happens, but the world does not revolve around our clientele. We have things to do that we reschedule to make time for clients who don’t care in the slightest about what we go through to make things happen for them. It’s an abusive relationship that providers are constantly, and consistently, told to put up and shut up in because clients cant be bothered to be decent human beings anymore. It’s completely asinine.

[Daniel84]

Its not entitlement, it’s a solution to a much larger issue of people lacking communication skills. If you have the funds for the encounter the deposit should be of no issue, especially if the deposit is a relatively small amount. It shows a true intention of meeting and should something upend the encounter on the side of the provider it would be easy to refund. Should the person cancel themselves then it is not a complete loss. We understand that people are busy and life happens, but the world does not revolve around our clientele. We have things to do that we reschedule to make time for clients who don’t care in the slightest about what we go through to make things happen for them. It’s an abusive relationship that providers are constantly, and consistently, told to put up and shut up in because clients cant be bothered to be decent human beings anymore. It’s completely asinine.

 

I could not have said it better than what you just said. The client in question that did not show up just emailed me back with just “sorry “.. No explanation on why he flaked.

[+ OliverSaks]

Think of how hard people in the world have to work to make what you make in an hour working as a companion...

 

???????? flakes and time wasters are the cost of doing biz, be thankful you aren’t working in f’ing rice patties or as a child soldier, good grief

[Milo Farnsworth]

As a client I see a big problem with fake escorts using this deposit schtick to cheat clients. Sorry, I'll pass.

[Maximus69]

Yeah I've never required a deposit even after all the flakes, I think thats just going to cause you to lose even more clients. If that client booked a week in advance I don't think theirs a need to communicate every day leading up to the meeting. Sure one or 2 texts a day are fine but I think all you need is to confirm the night before/day of thats what i mostly do to avoid wasting too much time incase a client wastes my time or no-shows

Edited August 22, 2019 by QuietStorm